The other thing that validates this assessment is it identifies some of the

Mar 9, 2016
6:17:20pm

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Former players who I think are vastly under appreciated including Emery and Cummard. Also shows the worth of Jimmer and Haws on the offensive side of the ball but they were between average and liabilities on defense.

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BYU offensive basketball, by the numbers.

proudcugr

3/9/16 5:21pm

What was Kyle by year?

BYUheaven

3/9/16 5:29pm

RE: What was Kyle by year?

proudcugr

3/9/16 5:37pm

Thank goodness KC is gone next year.

sah22

3/9/16 9:20pm

KC summary: ball wouldn't go in the hoop + turnovers

Hinta

3/9/16 5:55pm

Totally agree - not intending to show "value"

proudcugr

3/9/16 6:08pm

Pretty good assessment for offensive side of the ball

ledfoot

3/9/16 6:12pm

The other thing that validates this assessment is it identifies some of the

ledfoot

3/9/16 6:17pm

Thx for putting this together! Fascinating actually and confirms what gut/eyes

BlooGeek

3/9/16 6:20pm

your assessment does not account for rebounding, assists, and steals...KC was

idacoug

3/9/16 6:24pm

Totally 100% agree

proudcugr

3/9/16 6:29pm

This. OP mentioned this clearly

yfootball

3/10/16 11:03am

I think the analysis is "You don't want to end a possession with KC."

Linescratcher

3/9/16 6:30pm

Or - "KC ends more possessions than any other player with less results"

proudcugr

3/9/16 6:58pm

True, but it ignores other player's successfuly ended pos. made possible by KC

SconnieCoug

3/10/16 2:43pm

I think you could easily add in Offensive Rebounds as a factor because that

Zenoch

3/9/16 7:51pm

I think this stat is being misunderstood

proudcugr

3/9/16 8:30pm

You can't include turnovers in scoring efficiency

Mr Bassman

3/9/16 8:37pm

I think this is less about misunderstanding the stat...

RICoug

3/10/16 10:27am

No other player would have performed as well in KC's role

SconnieCoug

3/10/16 2:59pm

Great post. Keep your tripleDs, give me Cummard over KC 8X a week.

ag4cougs

3/9/16 6:57pm

Halford? His slash line indicates he was highly efficient.

ag4cougs

3/9/16 7:01pm

RE: Halford? His slash line indicates he was highly efficient.

proudcugr

3/9/16 8:32pm

He, Haws and Winder...all made good use of their possessions last year.

ag4cougs

3/9/16 8:46pm

"I didn't go in with an agenda"

Mr Bassman

3/9/16 7:03pm

I don't think that you can leave out assists and make this be accurate.

j1800collett

3/9/16 7:56pm

The problem is that the stat is flawed

Mr Bassman

3/9/16 8:11pm

Maybe you don't understand what a "stat" is. It's just numbers. It's only flawed

BlooGeek

3/10/16 10:23am

There's a problem with that

proudcugr

3/9/16 8:22pm

Then why include turnovers? A stat with no possible positive outcome. Just negative.

Mr Bassman

3/9/16 8:24pm

Not all turnovers are from him trying to score. Some are from trying to setup others. Some are just dumb mistakes

Mr Bassman

3/9/16 8:28pm

The reality is that..

BYU'01

3/9/16 10:24pm

How many times does he have to say they were better of with him on the floor

BlooGeek

3/10/16 10:28am

What?

BYU'01

3/10/16 10:48am

This response is very unproductive

j1800collett

3/10/16 5:07pm

A better analysis - Take two

proudcugr

3/9/16 11:12pm

This is very insightful. Thanks.

Megamind

3/9/16 11:41pm

I did feel like we needed to get Seljaas more involved on O that last game.

Almaden Cougar

3/10/16 9:03am

Gaps vs. Defensiveness

BYU'01

3/10/16 9:32am

Basically, KC took too many shots. Makes sense to me.

jkccoug

3/10/16 3:08pm

KC took fewer shots & made a higher percent of them than Fisch and Emery overall

SconnieCoug

3/10/16 3:56pm

Wrong metric

proudcugr

3/10/16 6:41pm

How well did this player convert his possessions into points.

SconnieCoug

3/11/16 9:55am

Basic Data

proudcugr

3/11/16 12:05pm

Rose used KC like that because he had to.

archie

3/9/16 11:41pm

It would be interesting if you could cut the data

leopardfan

3/10/16 1:33am

I love posts that bring a new thought to the table. Thanks for sharing!

wisconsincougs

3/10/16 4:48am

RE: BYU offensive basketball, by the numbers.

oldrugger

3/10/16 9:22am

Why not just use player efficiency ratings? They include all major stats

jkccoug

3/10/16 10:41am

You might say that PER tells how much a player should be on the floor

Linescratcher

3/10/16 10:54am

Great take.

jkccoug

3/10/16 11:45am

Nobody had a higher assist-to-turnover ratio...

BYU'01

3/10/16 12:37pm

Not sure which measure of efficiency you mean, PER or the OP

jkccoug

3/10/16 3:10pm

The OP's

BYU'01

3/10/16 6:49pm

Please don't misquote me

proudcugr

3/10/16 7:42pm

You said you analyzed data "for offensive production"

BYU'01

3/10/16 9:39pm

RE: You said you analyzed data "for offensive production"

proudcugr

3/10/16 10:52pm

Agree, good discussion, a couple of things to consider

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