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BYU offensive basketball, by the numbers.
proudcugr
3/9/16 5:21pm
What was Kyle by year?
BYUheaven
3/9/16 5:29pm
RE: What was Kyle by year?
proudcugr
3/9/16 5:37pm
Thank goodness KC is gone next year.
sah22
3/9/16 9:20pm
KC summary: ball wouldn't go in the hoop + turnovers
Hinta
3/9/16 5:55pm
Totally agree - not intending to show "value"
proudcugr
3/9/16 6:08pm
Pretty good assessment for offensive side of the ball
ledfoot
3/9/16 6:12pm
The other thing that validates this assessment is it identifies some of the
ledfoot
3/9/16 6:17pm
Thx for putting this together! Fascinating actually and confirms what gut/eyes
BlooGeek
3/9/16 6:20pm
your assessment does not account for rebounding, assists, and steals...KC was
idacoug
3/9/16 6:24pm
Totally 100% agree
proudcugr
3/9/16 6:29pm
This. OP mentioned this clearly
yfootball
3/10/16 11:03am
I think the analysis is "You don't want to end a possession with KC."
Linescratcher
3/9/16 6:30pm
Or - "KC ends more possessions than any other player with less results"
proudcugr
3/9/16 6:58pm
True, but it ignores other player's successfuly ended pos. made possible by KC
SconnieCoug
3/10/16 2:43pm
I think you could easily add in Offensive Rebounds as a factor because that
Zenoch
3/9/16 7:51pm
I think this stat is being misunderstood
proudcugr
3/9/16 8:30pm
You can't include turnovers in scoring efficiency
Mr Bassman
3/9/16 8:37pm
I think this is less about misunderstanding the stat...
RICoug
3/10/16 10:27am
No other player would have performed as well in KC's role
SconnieCoug
3/10/16 2:59pm
Great post. Keep your tripleDs, give me Cummard over KC 8X a week.
ag4cougs
3/9/16 6:57pm
Halford? His slash line indicates he was highly efficient.
ag4cougs
3/9/16 7:01pm
RE: Halford? His slash line indicates he was highly efficient.
proudcugr
3/9/16 8:32pm
He, Haws and Winder...all made good use of their possessions last year.
ag4cougs
3/9/16 8:46pm
"I didn't go in with an agenda"
Mr Bassman
3/9/16 7:03pm
I don't think that you can leave out assists and make this be accurate.
j1800collett
3/9/16 7:56pm
The problem is that the stat is flawed
Mr Bassman
3/9/16 8:11pm
Maybe you don't understand what a "stat" is. It's just numbers. It's only flawed
BlooGeek
3/10/16 10:23am
There's a problem with that
proudcugr
3/9/16 8:22pm
Then why include turnovers? A stat with no possible positive outcome. Just negative.
Mr Bassman
3/9/16 8:24pm
Not all turnovers are from him trying to score. Some are from trying to setup others. Some are just dumb mistakes
Mr Bassman
3/9/16 8:28pm
The reality is that..
BYU'01
3/9/16 10:24pm
How many times does he have to say they were better of with him on the floor
BlooGeek
3/10/16 10:28am
What?
BYU'01
3/10/16 10:48am
This response is very unproductive
j1800collett
3/10/16 5:07pm
A better analysis - Take two
proudcugr
3/9/16 11:12pm
This is very insightful. Thanks.
Megamind
3/9/16 11:41pm
I did feel like we needed to get Seljaas more involved on O that last game.
Almaden Cougar
3/10/16 9:03am
Gaps vs. Defensiveness
BYU'01
3/10/16 9:32am
Basically, KC took too many shots. Makes sense to me.
jkccoug
3/10/16 3:08pm
KC took fewer shots & made a higher percent of them than Fisch and Emery overall
SconnieCoug
3/10/16 3:56pm
Wrong metric
proudcugr
3/10/16 6:41pm
How well did this player convert his possessions into points.
SconnieCoug
3/11/16 9:55am
Basic Data
proudcugr
3/11/16 12:05pm
Rose used KC like that because he had to.
archie
3/9/16 11:41pm
It would be interesting if you could cut the data
leopardfan
3/10/16 1:33am
I love posts that bring a new thought to the table. Thanks for sharing!
wisconsincougs
3/10/16 4:48am
RE: BYU offensive basketball, by the numbers.
oldrugger
3/10/16 9:22am
Why not just use player efficiency ratings? They include all major stats
jkccoug
3/10/16 10:41am
You might say that PER tells how much a player should be on the floor
Linescratcher
3/10/16 10:54am
Great take.
jkccoug
3/10/16 11:45am
Nobody had a higher assist-to-turnover ratio...
BYU'01
3/10/16 12:37pm
Not sure which measure of efficiency you mean, PER or the OP
jkccoug
3/10/16 3:10pm
The OP's
BYU'01
3/10/16 6:49pm
Please don't misquote me
proudcugr
3/10/16 7:42pm
You said you analyzed data "for offensive production"
BYU'01
3/10/16 9:39pm
RE: You said you analyzed data "for offensive production"
proudcugr
3/10/16 10:52pm
Agree, good discussion, a couple of things to consider
BYU'01
3/11/16 12:04pm
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