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Apr 29, 2016
10:15:21am

CMuehle All-American

Look, I agree with you in general. People who come forward with

rape allegations should not be subjected to punishment. But come on, nobody on this board, at BYU or in the HCO has said or believe that any sort of prior behavior excuses or justifies rape because 'it's their fault'. That's an argument you're having with nobody.

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CMuehle

Bio page: CMuehle
Joined: Aug 12, 2005
Last login: Feb 29, 2024
Total posts: 4,990 (2 FO)

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Time

Front page of CNN

jamalccc

4/29/16 9:39am

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TheDeek

4/29/16 9:41am

If the school and church were as image conscious as you say, why don't they just

Bostonblue

4/29/16 9:43am

Image conscious cuts both ways. Their image would take a different hit from that

DapperDan

4/29/16 9:45am

How about the hit from the Kate Kelly issue? Jamalccc makes it sound

Bostonblue

4/29/16 9:47am

The Church is incredibly image conscious. Knowing someone who deals almost

JohnnyB

4/29/16 9:56am

Yep. They want to uphold their image that they are willing to stand up for

Bostonblue

4/29/16 9:57am

Do you need oxygen tank on your high horse? Air is thin up there

jamalccc

4/29/16 10:14am

Isn't your entire point that you know better than the leaders

Bostonblue

4/29/16 10:23am

What's the basis of your claim that it's the safest school on the planet for not

swingcat

4/29/16 10:31am

no alcohol, no premarital sex, no members of opposite sex in bedrooms,

Bostonblue

4/29/16 10:36am

If you think BYU is infallible, then we would be in the Pac10 and undefeated

jamalccc

4/29/16 11:56am

Don't care about PR? Find me another church doing the "I'm a Mormon" campaign

jamalccc

4/29/16 10:17am

The I'm a Mormon campaign is about promoting the church's values and its

Bostonblue

4/29/16 10:24am

Here we go again. A post that suggests BYU change something and BostonBlue calls

The Dude Abides

4/29/16 10:09am

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MMCougIII

4/29/16 10:21am

Explain. I think people know my side but I try to at least provide an argument

The Dude Abides

4/29/16 10:25am

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MMCougIII

4/29/16 10:33am

I haven't criticized him for posting. I'm critical of the position that if

The Dude Abides

4/29/16 10:41am

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MMCougIII

4/29/16 10:54am

I appreciate your take. That's a good post. I think the issue I have with the

The Dude Abides

4/29/16 11:41am

Are you saying the young women of today are just as safe as the young women of

Real G Man

4/29/16 6:28pm

Amen. It's comical at this point - Bostonblue defends, Dude policies his opinion

Tequila Mockingbird

4/29/16 11:26am

I didn't realize BostonBlue had so many FOers but I'll respond. I don't believe

The Dude Abides

4/29/16 11:48am

He's not my buddy, I never heard of the guy til this HC mess started

Tequila Mockingbird

4/29/16 2:02pm

Are we having our first fight? I'm sorry I've offended you in some way.

The Dude Abides

4/29/16 2:12pm

Mostly I was just commenting as an outside observer

Tequila Mockingbird

4/30/16 2:42pm

This is why...

maxlds

4/29/16 10:11am

What about this...If the police were investigating an alleged victim of rape

bigbluecougar

4/29/16 9:47am

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Buffalo

4/29/16 9:55am

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swingcat

4/29/16 9:59am

That was my first thought when reading that.

RaggaeCoug

4/29/16 10:00am

What? Why would he report that someone tried to kill him? Didn't he know yhat

Cougarrrs

4/29/16 9:59am

Are these girls under investigation for other serious crimes?

swingcat

4/29/16 10:08am

Drug usage is not a "lesser" violation of the honor code. They aren't getting

Coach's Dad

4/29/16 10:20am

So it's up to the HCO to provide consequences for mistakes, even if it deters

swingcat

4/29/16 10:28am

You obviously don't care about individuals and helping them.

Coach's Dad

4/29/16 12:21pm

Analogies are tough to do because the point

Y'zFan

4/29/16 10:11am

I wouldnt slap them with an honor code violation. As far as crimes being

4/29/16 9:55am

A crime that you can be jailed for is just that, a crime....

RaggaeCoug

4/29/16 9:58am

Such a good point, I should have said something in my post about the

bigbluecougar

4/29/16 10:06am

every so often a BYU student will get away with an HC violation...

VACOUGFAN

4/29/16 1:00pm

umm...ok? What exactly are you wanting me to let go of?

bigbluecougar

4/29/16 1:03pm

peoples never ending quest for justice.

VACOUGFAN

4/29/16 1:06pm

still not following...I was simply asking a question..no agenda. Just interested

bigbluecougar

4/29/16 1:07pm

RE: Front page of CNN

ByuMba90

4/29/16 9:48am

Do you think girls are investigated because of the rape? Really?

4/29/16 9:54am

yeah we get it. that's the point. then victims of rape who also happen to

nashty

4/29/16 10:01am

Can anyone explain why rape should have a special treatment all to itself?

Bostonblue

4/29/16 10:12am

well...according to these guys being a victim of rape is worse than murder:

nashty

4/29/16 10:15am

wow. just wow. you're not even trying to read those quotes

Bostonblue

4/29/16 10:26am

Words have meaning. The quotes are what they are. I disagree with every one too

run26

4/29/16 11:26am

no attempt has been made to read them in the context of their full statements

Bostonblue

4/29/16 11:43am

Board mail Elizabeth Smart

run26

4/29/16 2:46pm

No.

Bostonblue

4/29/16 2:56pm

I think nashty just won the debate

run26

4/29/16 3:09pm

Dang. Can I appeal the ruling?

Bostonblue

4/29/16 3:10pm

if the truth is "shocking" to you that tells me something

nashty

4/29/16 3:33pm

Nashty, you remind me of Sltrib writers. You're trying to assume the worst

Bostonblue

4/29/16 4:03pm

And mr Boston you are very Deseret News

run26

4/29/16 5:46pm

The issue with rape is that the victim, historically, has been put on trial

CMuehle

4/29/16 10:17am

taking the above into account, rape REQUIRES reporting by victim to be

nashty

4/29/16 10:19am

so if the rape is reported, you are no longer a victim? I don't think you

Bostonblue

4/29/16 10:27am

i didn't say either of those things. nice reading comp skills.

nashty

4/29/16 3:32pm

kind of sucks to have your words twisted, doesn't it?

Bostonblue

4/29/16 4:05pm

Actually it is a fair question.

Y'zFan

4/29/16 10:21am

I think you are both right.

4/29/16 10:14am

Look, I agree with you in general. People who come forward with

CMuehle

4/29/16 10:15am

It sounds to me that the only person trying to justify anything is you.

jaromp

4/29/16 10:15am

Who is saying its their fault? Link?

bigbluecougar

4/29/16 10:24am

How about the division to which they report be exempted from HCO reporting?

4/29/16 10:25am

That's totally fine. I don't have an issue with that.

Coach's Dad

4/29/16 1:25pm

The whole thing is about victim's reluctance to report due to the HCO. Read it

jamalccc

4/29/16 10:23am

Being that 2 of them were cleared of any wrong doing by the HCO

concolor couguar

4/29/16 11:27am

According to the CNN article of those women, it was the RAPE reports to the

4/29/16 11:46am

byu's already stated this is absolutely false. so I guess it depends on who you

Bostonblue

4/29/16 11:50am

BYU is an institution with a public image and an actual PR person

4/29/16 11:53am

you've got some deep seeded byu issues my friend.

Bostonblue

4/29/16 11:57am

Actually I would argue you do in a very sickening "round your wagons"

4/29/16 11:58am

wow. slow clap for this post. I respect you for having the guts to out yourself

Bostonblue

4/29/16 12:05pm

you do realize that BYU isn't the church, right? he made a fair point.

macaroni

4/29/16 12:19pm

I laugh when people try to separate byu from the church. Let's review shall we?

Bostonblue

4/29/16 12:47pm

You really should read Wilk's journals

concolor couguar

4/29/16 12:53pm

You need to come to grips that the church and byu are run by mortals who make

Bostonblue

4/29/16 1:02pm

So the BYU "mortal" "leaders" can make mistakes but can't be questioned?

jamalccc

4/29/16 1:21pm

Nope. But I'll certainly give them the benefit of the doubt considering their

Bostonblue

4/29/16 1:24pm

Wilk wasnt serving he was working a job. Do you apply this same elevation to

concolor couguar

4/29/16 1:26pm

sorry. Remind me again who Wilkinson reported to?

Bostonblue

4/29/16 1:30pm

The current BYU president reports to the CES director if I understand correctly

concolor couguar

4/29/16 1:33pm

I honestly don't understand your question. If you're asking whether I think

Bostonblue

4/29/16 1:36pm

Are all persons hired by the church to do a job "serving" and entitled to the

concolor couguar

4/29/16 1:42pm

the word "serve" can be used in contexts outside "church service". It you serve

Bostonblue

4/29/16 1:46pm

So why should who Wilk reported to have any more weight than the janitor or head

concolor couguar

4/29/16 1:50pm

because Worthen is getting direction directly from the quorum of the twelve.

Bostonblue

4/29/16 1:55pm

But what you call a "spade" may not be a "spade" to others. Someone calling

Real G Man

4/29/16 12:32pm

I completely agree. This guy interchanges BYU and church in almost all his posts

jamalccc

4/29/16 12:33pm

Good for you!

TinMan

4/29/16 12:11pm

I don't know the details of what he is talking about, but suppose BYU did say

Coach's Dad

4/29/16 1:03pm

And BYU's PR department has never given us untruths to protect their image...

swingcat

4/29/16 11:59am

the vitriol coming from you and UneducatedFan is impressive.

Bostonblue

4/29/16 12:06pm

Honestly, when have they done that?

Coach's Dad

4/29/16 1:08pm

Seriously? You're going to make me say it?

swingcat

4/29/16 1:11pm

Please do. I don't follow everything that has ever happened at BYU.

Coach's Dad

4/29/16 1:17pm

RE: Please do. I don't follow everything that has ever happened at BYU.

swingcat

4/29/16 2:48pm

the deep seedy conspiracy that has concerned swingcat for years.

Bostonblue

4/29/16 2:57pm

There really isn't any demand for it

DapperDan

4/29/16 1:18pm

Agreed, please let us know.

TinMan

4/29/16 2:05pm

You say the church cares so much about how the world views them and I say the

Real G Man

4/29/16 10:21am

You tell that to the PR lady in the video

jamalccc

4/29/16 10:25am

I thought this was just the Salt Lake Tribune picking on BYU?

messi

4/29/16 12:44pm

I heard an 8 minute segment on a national NPR broadcast yesterday

bluebloodedcoug

4/29/16 2:42pm

Holy crap. What a mess for BYU.

eddog

4/30/16 1:09pm

Ironic that the HCO is now hurting BYU's image more than helping

SBJ

4/30/16 2:47pm

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