Actually I would argue you do in a very sickening "round your wagons"

Apr 29, 2016
11:58:57am

UneducatedFan All-American

confusing the church and BYU right hand to the square cultlike way.

If you can't call a spade a spade because it's BYU or the church, we are a cult.

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Front page of CNN

jamalccc

4/29/16 9:39am

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TheDeek

4/29/16 9:41am

If the school and church were as image conscious as you say, why don't they just

Bostonblue

4/29/16 9:43am

Image conscious cuts both ways. Their image would take a different hit from that

DapperDan

4/29/16 9:45am

How about the hit from the Kate Kelly issue? Jamalccc makes it sound

Bostonblue

4/29/16 9:47am

The Church is incredibly image conscious. Knowing someone who deals almost

JohnnyB

4/29/16 9:56am

Yep. They want to uphold their image that they are willing to stand up for

Bostonblue

4/29/16 9:57am

Do you need oxygen tank on your high horse? Air is thin up there

jamalccc

4/29/16 10:14am

Isn't your entire point that you know better than the leaders

Bostonblue

4/29/16 10:23am

What's the basis of your claim that it's the safest school on the planet for not

swingcat

4/29/16 10:31am

no alcohol, no premarital sex, no members of opposite sex in bedrooms,

Bostonblue

4/29/16 10:36am

If you think BYU is infallible, then we would be in the Pac10 and undefeated

jamalccc

4/29/16 11:56am

Don't care about PR? Find me another church doing the "I'm a Mormon" campaign

jamalccc

4/29/16 10:17am

The I'm a Mormon campaign is about promoting the church's values and its

Bostonblue

4/29/16 10:24am

Here we go again. A post that suggests BYU change something and BostonBlue calls

The Dude Abides

4/29/16 10:09am

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MMCougIII

4/29/16 10:21am

Explain. I think people know my side but I try to at least provide an argument

The Dude Abides

4/29/16 10:25am

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MMCougIII

4/29/16 10:33am

I haven't criticized him for posting. I'm critical of the position that if

The Dude Abides

4/29/16 10:41am

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MMCougIII

4/29/16 10:54am

I appreciate your take. That's a good post. I think the issue I have with the

The Dude Abides

4/29/16 11:41am

Are you saying the young women of today are just as safe as the young women of

Real G Man

4/29/16 6:28pm

Amen. It's comical at this point - Bostonblue defends, Dude policies his opinion

Tequila Mockingbird

4/29/16 11:26am

I didn't realize BostonBlue had so many FOers but I'll respond. I don't believe

The Dude Abides

4/29/16 11:48am

He's not my buddy, I never heard of the guy til this HC mess started

Tequila Mockingbird

4/29/16 2:02pm

Are we having our first fight? I'm sorry I've offended you in some way.

The Dude Abides

4/29/16 2:12pm

Mostly I was just commenting as an outside observer

Tequila Mockingbird

4/30/16 2:42pm

This is why...

maxlds

4/29/16 10:11am

What about this...If the police were investigating an alleged victim of rape

bigbluecougar

4/29/16 9:47am

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Buffalo

4/29/16 9:55am

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swingcat

4/29/16 9:59am

That was my first thought when reading that.

RaggaeCoug

4/29/16 10:00am

What? Why would he report that someone tried to kill him? Didn't he know yhat

Cougarrrs

4/29/16 9:59am

Are these girls under investigation for other serious crimes?

swingcat

4/29/16 10:08am

Drug usage is not a "lesser" violation of the honor code. They aren't getting

Coach's Dad

4/29/16 10:20am

So it's up to the HCO to provide consequences for mistakes, even if it deters

swingcat

4/29/16 10:28am

You obviously don't care about individuals and helping them.

Coach's Dad

4/29/16 12:21pm

Analogies are tough to do because the point

Y'zFan

4/29/16 10:11am

I wouldnt slap them with an honor code violation. As far as crimes being

monkeycowboy

4/29/16 9:55am

A crime that you can be jailed for is just that, a crime....

RaggaeCoug

4/29/16 9:58am

Such a good point, I should have said something in my post about the

bigbluecougar

4/29/16 10:06am

every so often a BYU student will get away with an HC violation...

VACOUGFAN

4/29/16 1:00pm

umm...ok? What exactly are you wanting me to let go of?

bigbluecougar

4/29/16 1:03pm

peoples never ending quest for justice.

VACOUGFAN

4/29/16 1:06pm

still not following...I was simply asking a question..no agenda. Just interested

bigbluecougar

4/29/16 1:07pm

RE: Front page of CNN

ByuMba90

4/29/16 9:48am

Do you think girls are investigated because of the rape? Really?

Six Foot Seven

4/29/16 9:54am

yeah we get it. that's the point. then victims of rape who also happen to

nashty

4/29/16 10:01am

Can anyone explain why rape should have a special treatment all to itself?

Bostonblue

4/29/16 10:12am

well...according to these guys being a victim of rape is worse than murder:

nashty

4/29/16 10:15am

wow. just wow. you're not even trying to read those quotes

Bostonblue

4/29/16 10:26am

Words have meaning. The quotes are what they are. I disagree with every one too

run26

4/29/16 11:26am

no attempt has been made to read them in the context of their full statements

Bostonblue

4/29/16 11:43am

Board mail Elizabeth Smart

run26

4/29/16 2:46pm

No.

Bostonblue

4/29/16 2:56pm

I think nashty just won the debate

run26

4/29/16 3:09pm

Dang. Can I appeal the ruling?

Bostonblue

4/29/16 3:10pm

if the truth is "shocking" to you that tells me something

nashty

4/29/16 3:33pm

Nashty, you remind me of Sltrib writers. You're trying to assume the worst

Bostonblue

4/29/16 4:03pm

And mr Boston you are very Deseret News

run26

4/29/16 5:46pm

The issue with rape is that the victim, historically, has been put on trial

CMuehle

4/29/16 10:17am

taking the above into account, rape REQUIRES reporting by victim to be

nashty

4/29/16 10:19am

so if the rape is reported, you are no longer a victim? I don't think you

Bostonblue

4/29/16 10:27am

i didn't say either of those things. nice reading comp skills.

nashty

4/29/16 3:32pm

kind of sucks to have your words twisted, doesn't it?

Bostonblue

4/29/16 4:05pm

Actually it is a fair question.

Y'zFan

4/29/16 10:21am

I think you are both right.

ldsoccertodd

4/29/16 10:14am

Look, I agree with you in general. People who come forward with

CMuehle

4/29/16 10:15am

It sounds to me that the only person trying to justify anything is you.

jaromp

4/29/16 10:15am

Who is saying its their fault? Link?

bigbluecougar

4/29/16 10:24am

How about the division to which they report be exempted from HCO reporting?

Hoosier Cougar

4/29/16 10:25am

That's totally fine. I don't have an issue with that.

Coach's Dad

4/29/16 1:25pm

The whole thing is about victim's reluctance to report due to the HCO. Read it

jamalccc

4/29/16 10:23am

Being that 2 of them were cleared of any wrong doing by the HCO

concolor couguar

4/29/16 11:27am

According to the CNN article of those women, it was the RAPE reports to the

UneducatedFan

4/29/16 11:46am

byu's already stated this is absolutely false. so I guess it depends on who you

Bostonblue

4/29/16 11:50am

BYU is an institution with a public image and an actual PR person

UneducatedFan

4/29/16 11:53am

you've got some deep seeded byu issues my friend.

Bostonblue

4/29/16 11:57am

Actually I would argue you do in a very sickening "round your wagons"

UneducatedFan

4/29/16 11:58am

wow. slow clap for this post. I respect you for having the guts to out yourself

Bostonblue

4/29/16 12:05pm

you do realize that BYU isn't the church, right? he made a fair point.

macaroni

4/29/16 12:19pm

I laugh when people try to separate byu from the church. Let's review shall we?

Bostonblue

4/29/16 12:47pm

You really should read Wilk's journals

concolor couguar

4/29/16 12:53pm

You need to come to grips that the church and byu are run by mortals who make

Bostonblue

4/29/16 1:02pm

So the BYU "mortal" "leaders" can make mistakes but can't be questioned?

jamalccc

4/29/16 1:21pm

Nope. But I'll certainly give them the benefit of the doubt considering their

Bostonblue

4/29/16 1:24pm

Wilk wasnt serving he was working a job. Do you apply this same elevation to

concolor couguar

4/29/16 1:26pm

sorry. Remind me again who Wilkinson reported to?

Bostonblue

4/29/16 1:30pm

The current BYU president reports to the CES director if I understand correctly

concolor couguar

4/29/16 1:33pm

I honestly don't understand your question. If you're asking whether I think

Bostonblue

4/29/16 1:36pm

Are all persons hired by the church to do a job "serving" and entitled to the

concolor couguar

4/29/16 1:42pm

the word "serve" can be used in contexts outside "church service". It you serve

Bostonblue

4/29/16 1:46pm

So why should who Wilk reported to have any more weight than the janitor or head

concolor couguar

4/29/16 1:50pm

because Worthen is getting direction directly from the quorum of the twelve.

Bostonblue

4/29/16 1:55pm

But what you call a "spade" may not be a "spade" to others. Someone calling

Real G Man

4/29/16 12:32pm

I completely agree. This guy interchanges BYU and church in almost all his posts

jamalccc

4/29/16 12:33pm

Good for you!

TinMan

4/29/16 12:11pm

I don't know the details of what he is talking about, but suppose BYU did say

Coach's Dad

4/29/16 1:03pm

And BYU's PR department has never given us untruths to protect their image...

swingcat

4/29/16 11:59am

the vitriol coming from you and UneducatedFan is impressive.

Bostonblue

4/29/16 12:06pm

Honestly, when have they done that?

Coach's Dad

4/29/16 1:08pm

Seriously? You're going to make me say it?

swingcat

4/29/16 1:11pm

Please do. I don't follow everything that has ever happened at BYU.

Coach's Dad

4/29/16 1:17pm

RE: Please do. I don't follow everything that has ever happened at BYU.

swingcat

4/29/16 2:48pm

the deep seedy conspiracy that has concerned swingcat for years.

Bostonblue

4/29/16 2:57pm

There really isn't any demand for it

DapperDan

4/29/16 1:18pm

Agreed, please let us know.

TinMan

4/29/16 2:05pm

You say the church cares so much about how the world views them and I say the

Real G Man

4/29/16 10:21am

You tell that to the PR lady in the video

jamalccc

4/29/16 10:25am

I thought this was just the Salt Lake Tribune picking on BYU?

messi

4/29/16 12:44pm

I heard an 8 minute segment on a national NPR broadcast yesterday

bluebloodedcoug

4/29/16 2:42pm

Holy crap. What a mess for BYU.

eddog

4/30/16 1:09pm

Ironic that the HCO is now hurting BYU's image more than helping

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