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Feb 3, 2023
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The_Cuss
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Its a waste of time... TFL thinks PAC12 wins > media market $. #Utebusinesslogic
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ASU is upset according to Flugaur and Monty
runningryan
Pretend Athletic Director
1/31/23 1:57pm
Why would they be upset? Because George is entertaining unequal distribution to Oregon and Washington?
YIsForBrigham
1/31/23 1:58pm
Or they've been led on by George that they are in a good situation and they're
CameronG
1/31/23 2:00pm
Welcome to the Big 12 ASU and U of A
CameronG
1/31/23 1:59pm
I think Big12 only takes 2 out of the 4 "four corner schools"
CougarCanuck76
1/31/23 2:00pm
Four corner nonsense is a media creation. It isn’t based in reporting
travelcoug
1/31/23 2:02pm
UU and CU are both arrogant. UU doesn't want to go to BYU's conference
Dangerous
1/31/23 2:00pm
My message to Utah and CU
runningryan
1/31/23 2:01pm
My Message
Cougar TD
1/31/23 2:09pm
RE: My Message
ZWOOKIEZyoutube
1/31/23 5:20pm
RE: My Message
BluesBrother
1/31/23 7:40pm
Mine:
Resurgens
1/31/23 8:04pm
Nah...Utah likes the association with the P10 academics. As a fan, I'd prefer the P12 right now because Utah has an
TFL
1/31/23 2:26pm
Utah has to prove they can beat a P5 program that's not in the PAC before talking about being top 3-4 in the Big 12.
slatecoug
1/31/23 3:03pm
Pac-12 champion Utah just got thumped by BIG 10 3rd place team Penn State.
Gentleman Stan
1/31/23 3:11pm
Lol. So Utah doesn't go to the Big 12 because they lost to Penn State and to Florida? So due to this ugly on the
TFL
1/31/23 3:37pm
No they don't go because no one wants them
YIsForBrigham
1/31/23 3:43pm
It's not based upon one single game. It's that they are not additive. Utah would dilute, not add.
slatecoug
1/31/23 4:04pm
There's that UU education shining through
AlternateShot
1/31/23 5:47pm
Let it be so, I hope Utah stays there forever. We both agree lol. And your joke
The_Cuss
1/31/23 5:05pm
What non-PAC games have the Yewts won lately? Their the top of a trash league.
CharlottesvilleCoug
1/31/23 6:51pm
LOL. I hope you really enjoy it.
Sid Vicious
1/31/23 7:12pm
Can Swaim confirm?
BYUheaven
1/31/23 2:00pm
Which is kind of ironic
byukarl
1/31/23 2:00pm
If everyone was happy, they would have signed a deal yesterday.
Art Director
1/31/23 2:01pm
Yes, but I think ASU was the hold up on Arizona
runningryan
1/31/23 2:02pm
It does seem Arizona wanted big 12 but were ruluctant to leave without ASU. So
johnnybyu
1/31/23 2:11pm
UU is stupid, but I don't think they're that stupid. I still think they end up..
Team Chaos
1/31/23 2:02pm
Probably so, but I hope they have to wait 5 years and have lots of uncertainty till it happens
runningryan
1/31/23 2:03pm
make it 10
CrashMcLarson
1/31/23 2:18pm
Why would the Big 12 take Utah when they already have that market and already
CameronG
1/31/23 2:03pm
They aren’t fist second third fourth fifth sixth and maybe seventh
travelcoug
1/31/23 2:08pm
Close but the order is
runningryan
1/31/23 2:13pm
My guess is Utah admin thinks BYU will wage the battle for them when needed.
panacablue
1/31/23 2:06pm
I really hope BYU doesn't wage that battle for them
CameronG
1/31/23 2:08pm
This better not occur.
Tmoney1969
1/31/23 2:13pm
I really hope the BYU admin takes to heart the recent story of Utah bragging
Corn Pop
1/31/23 2:14pm
Dr Crow is not one to piss off…
ChandlerAZCoug
1/31/23 3:28pm
Wouldn't that piss him off?
sah22
1/31/23 7:42pm
Getting a Sellout when they play BYU at Home. Will make him happy.
ChandlerAZCoug
1/31/23 11:03pm
RE: My guess is Utah admin thinks BYU will wage the battle for them when needed.
El Careeb
1/31/23 2:17pm
Utes don't need any help. They're a shoo in for the Big 12 if they want it.
TFL
1/31/23 2:27pm
What makes you so confident? They’ve been good the last 5 years but they’re
Polemic
1/31/23 2:53pm
Is it ignorance, myopia, or both?
slatecoug
1/31/23 3:08pm
Neither. It's the reality of CFB today and the goals of the Big 12 in the next go around. I get this sense from around
TFL
1/31/23 4:49pm
Thanks for the laugh, but once again, Utah is not additive. All Utah would do is dilute the per school payout.
slatecoug
1/31/23 11:02pm
What is it with Ute fans and these delusional views of national relevance?
Ursas Puma
1/31/23 3:23pm
Probably more of the opposite. BYU fans' approach to Utah is to constantly
TFL
1/31/23 5:03pm
Keep on begging...it's actually kind of fun to watch the logical pretzels you
AlternateShot
1/31/23 5:53pm
Okay, so you actually believe it all. Thanks for answering that question.
Ursas Puma
1/31/23 6:13pm
Your AD seems to think Utah is the biggest brand in the conference
machete
1/31/23 6:49pm
It’s a delusional take from extreme Ute fans that lurk on CB. Hopefully it’s not
The_Cuss
1/31/23 5:08pm
I'm going to go with "trolls"
AlternateShot
1/31/23 5:51pm
Doesn't line up with Yormarks remarks on further expansion candidates
machete
1/31/23 3:50pm
Good point. While I agree with TFL the Utes are a shoo in, I'm not sure anyone
kiyoshige
1/31/23 5:05pm
What exactly did he say? Didn't he say national recognition? Sorry, but outside Oregon and UW...no one else left offers
TFL
1/31/23 7:49pm
RE: What exactly did he say? Didn't he say national recognition? Sorry, but
machete
1/31/23 8:37pm
So defiantly no Utah
ExitStageLeft
1/31/23 8:54pm
Definitely not the shoo in that some here think
machete
1/31/23 9:02pm
So this wasn't his quote?
TFL
1/31/23 9:02pm
That quote is in no way contradictory to the other one
machete
1/31/23 9:12pm
BYU fans who think the Big 12 will pass up on Utah, just because...is a silly ideal to cling to
TFL
2/1/23 9:01pm
So, the opposite of what the big 12 commish is saying
Mitty
1/31/23 5:51pm
RE: Utes don't need any help. They're a shoo in for the Big 12 if they want it.
zonacougar
1/31/23 7:28pm
How unwise is Utah? They're so bad, they flipped a virgin to the dark side.
akbarishiwatsu
1/31/23 2:48pm
You realize you just compared the Utes to virgins …
BluesBrother
1/31/23 7:42pm
What is a money perch? Some kind of big fish at ASU?
Florwood
1/31/23 2:16pm
Utah's playing it right. They may as well wait out the P12. They can jump to B12 any time. BIG is out of the picture for
TFL
1/31/23 2:22pm
Jump to the Big 12 any time eh?
CougtheCreator
1/31/23 2:25pm
And there's the arrogance.
Corn Pop
1/31/23 2:27pm
This is what Utah fans tell themselves but it's not true. The pecking order is surely Oregon/Washington > ASU/Arizona
YIsForBrigham
1/31/23 2:28pm
UW and Oregon are great but they're not going to commit long term and they don't like the Big 12.
TFL
1/31/23 3:34pm
You're basing it all on on-field performance. Which adds bring in the most money
CougtheCreator
1/31/23 3:35pm
Not really. Fan attendance, TV ratings, recruiting, NFL, prestige, sustainability of success. Phx and Denver are greater
TFL
1/31/23 6:26pm
We will see. Oregon and Washington are not going to be let behind in some conference with Wyoming and Boise St
YIsForBrigham
1/31/23 3:44pm
There is a very good chance that OR never gets invited to the B10
Nat Gas Man
1/31/23 3:45pm
Wouldn't be surprised if they go independent rather than join big12 tbh
machete
1/31/23 3:56pm
That is really hard and the CFP would be worse
Nat Gas Man
1/31/23 4:02pm
Need more bottom feeder/train wreck types and Pac12 has alot of those
machete
1/31/23 3:54pm
I tend to think the pecking order for joining the B12 is Oregon/Washington ->
kos
1/31/23 3:53pm
Utes are the third guy in this video
travelcoug
1/31/23 2:33pm
That's gotta hurt!
AlternateShot
1/31/23 5:57pm
They waited...and they saw. Yesterday the PAC 10 or 12 showed that it can't
Doogal McCougar
1/31/23 2:48pm
I'll take Myopic Fans for $200 Alex
slatecoug
1/31/23 3:06pm
I’d vote them down purely on a financial basis. They bring nothing
Bluedomination
1/31/23 3:12pm
Also taking utah handicaps BYU, why not have one great utah team over two
CougtheCreator
1/31/23 3:20pm
This is the way.
The_Cuss
1/31/23 5:10pm
The ACC is your problem
runningryan
1/31/23 3:13pm
This is exactly correct. B12 would like AZ
BlueTooth
1/31/23 3:52pm
Yup, this is true and TFL has no answer for it. Self awareness is lacking.
The_Cuss
1/31/23 5:10pm
Umm...yeah...if the ACC was going to break the GOR it would've happened. When your entire theory relies on something
TFL
1/31/23 7:41pm
Let me help you out TFL
runningryan
1/31/23 10:02pm
I don't follow. So what ACC schools are going to add more than $100 million per year to the BIG
TFL
2/1/23 2:00am
What you are missing is ACC media revenues are relatively flat through 2035 while
runningryan
2/1/23 10:35am
But what's the threat? that's 10 years away
TFL
2/1/23 11:48am
How's the weather in Egypt this time of year?
machete
2/1/23 12:42pm
It's a super fun discussion. The heart of it is that
TFL
2/1/23 1:46pm
Respectfully, I wish you'd stop saying this - that Utah is the only realistic
kos
2/1/23 3:10pm
Utah doesn't provide the Pacific Time Zone and is in a market already occupied
CameronG
2/1/23 3:35pm
Exactly
The_Cuss
2/1/23 8:27pm
Yup, I agree.
The_Cuss
2/1/23 8:27pm
I appreciate the point but I think you're all going to be very surprised if the P10 falls apart
TFL
2/1/23 9:04pm
What does Utah bring that the Big 12 doesn't already have or doesn't have a better option with another school?
slatecoug
2/3/23 8:33am
Current 2-time P5 champ. Winningest and most consistently ranked P12/B12 team in CFP era. Highest
TFL
2/3/23 10:50am
You just listed all on-field accomplishments
CameronG
2/3/23 12:20pm
Nope. Every round is different. The moves for large markets and high profile schools are ahead of contract
TFL
2/3/23 12:30pm
Yeah...nobody else has any fans. Only the yewts. They are the reason anyone at
AlternateShot
2/3/23 12:53pm
This is the biggest mistake BYU fans make. In the west, it's not about the fanbase
TFL
2/3/23 1:18pm
You clearly don't pay any attention to the viewership numbers when Utah is the biggest name in the matchup.
slatecoug
2/3/23 2:59pm
Nah...BYU fans stuck into these awkward paradigms about fanbase and viewership
TFL
2/3/23 3:29pm
Wasting your breath. He's incapable of understanding that concept.
AlternateShot
2/3/23 12:51pm
Its a waste of time... TFL thinks PAC12 wins > media market $. #Utebusinesslogic
The_Cuss
2/3/23 2:38pm
According to your logic, Boise St. should have been invited. Why weren't they?
slatecoug
2/3/23 3:00pm
And why would a bad USC and UCLA join the B1G? Why is SDSU mentioned as well?
The_Cuss
2/3/23 3:05pm
A bad USC?
slatecoug
2/6/23 1:13am
Any team taken from P10 moves needle compared to P10 ‘cause they are down a team
ZWOOKIEZyoutube
2/1/23 3:17pm
Here's the crux...you think expansion is about increasing competitiveness.
AlternateShot
2/1/23 3:44pm
Is seriously doubt OSU and WSU would be invited to the B12
Nat Gas Man
2/1/23 3:56pm
Getting Washington, Oregon, ASU, and Zona
runningryan
2/1/23 4:39pm
Nailed it.
The_Cuss
2/1/23 8:27pm
If Utah losing to UF, Penn State and tOSU is a deal killer...lol...lol...wait until you see what the other Pac-12
TFL
2/1/23 9:33pm
If ASU and Arizona jumped, UU and CU would too. There is no way they put
darkcoug
1/31/23 2:26pm
Have to wonder what UO and UW do if ASU and Zona jump. Go indy?
Corn Pop
1/31/23 2:29pm
That would be funny to watch. They would probably beg the big 12 for inclusion
johnnybyu
1/31/23 2:32pm
They only get in by signing the GOR. If faced with that or the indy wilderness,
Corn Pop
1/31/23 2:44pm
They may, they will have very little power is UofA or ASU jumpt first
johnnybyu
1/31/23 3:07pm
And if the only way UW and Oregon can come is to bring their little sisters,
AlternateShot
1/31/23 6:07pm
They'd join the Big12
YIsForBrigham
1/31/23 2:45pm
Hopefully ASU and UoA burn their house down and we get to see what happens.
Dryfire
1/31/23 8:55pm
That assumes there is spot for those teams...
Baylorbears11
1/31/23 2:38pm
I completely agree with you.
kos
1/31/23 3:55pm
Agreed. Good take. The 4 schools must think that Oregon and UW jumping them toward the Big 12
TFL
1/31/23 7:46pm
Oregon and Washington would be accretive to the Big 12 and would likely increase the TV value slightly
runningryan
1/31/23 10:14pm
I would also add, why would you dilute your payout by adding SMU to get into Texas when you can join the Big 12 and get
runningryan
1/31/23 10:17pm
Good question. Are you talking Oregon and UW?
TFL
2/1/23 11:10pm
Where would they jump to?
CougarCanuck76
1/31/23 2:46pm
Why would you add CU and UofU if Oregon and UW are still out there?
slatecoug
1/31/23 3:10pm
If Washington and Oregon stay in PAC 10 they will want more money. This will make some schools very unhappy...especially
coot20
1/31/23 2:33pm
All I want for Christmas is for this to be true
YOHONOMOTO
1/31/23 2:33pm
Same, now that I live in PHX
Sacto Cougar
1/31/23 5:53pm
Just curious about all these schools wanting to come to the Big 12? Maybe the
Bullrider
1/31/23 2:51pm
delusional and arrogant…deadly combination
icecougar
1/31/23 3:00pm
Ideal scenario, leave the pukes in the wilting P8
jtm0001
1/31/23 3:18pm
Michael Crow is not the guy to upset in the PAC. He holds a lot of power now
Nat Gas Man
1/31/23 3:26pm
It's hard for me to believe that the leaders of these unis are that stupid
ocmyhome
1/31/23 3:31pm
Kliavkoff has much to clean up after the mess Scott left in the PAC12. Tough job
Forzaitalia
1/31/23 3:35pm
Sorry bro but this take is nothing but inflammatory guesses…
rmarkerm
1/31/23 4:56pm
People expressing opinions and predictions on a message board? I would never have imagined!
runningryan
2/1/23 12:00am
And yes, University Presidents can be extremely naive and clueless.
runningryan
2/1/23 12:09am
Apparently more than a little upset. The tier 1 games were going to be sold to
Nat Gas Man
1/31/23 7:56pm
I think Oregon, Washington, ASU, and Arizona would all be accretive to the Big 12
runningryan
1/31/23 11:57pm
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