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Apr 4, 2018
10:21:20am

teancum All-American

That's like saying "The suicide rate is higher in 2017 than in 1917, so

let's all go back to riding horses" Correlation is not causation. There are a myriad of things wrong with the football program now that have nothing to do with Indy, and there were things right when the program was doing well that had nothing to do with the MWC.

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teancum

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This is what's happened to the MWC while BYU has been an Independent

BYUMizzou

4/4/18 9:28am

curious where you got these numbers

mosterlow

4/4/18 9:32am

US Department of Education - from their Title IX compliance reports

BYUMizzou

4/4/18 9:33am

Yes as I watched from a sparsely attended home game vs Wisconsin last year

franklyvulgar

4/4/18 9:32am

If you want safety and no risk like 80K, then by all means advocate for going

BYUMizzou

4/4/18 9:34am

If we go 10 more years of not finishing ranked would you agree that byu

franklyvulgar

4/4/18 10:05am

No our football programs issues have nothing to do with Indy vs. MWC and

CougarBacker

4/4/18 10:08am

Ok then hypothetically though if we were ranked in the mwc before

franklyvulgar

4/4/18 10:10am

No I wouldn't. G5 is a death knell in every way

CougarBacker

4/4/18 10:15am

So is Indy

Coug

4/4/18 2:02pm

Maybe maybe not. Not nearly as quickly as MWC is. All BYU has to do to make

CougarBacker

4/4/18 2:15pm

Just as quick... and it's not a maybe...

Coug

4/4/18 2:52pm

Your premise is patently false. You have no idea what access BYU actually has

CougarBacker

4/4/18 3:12pm

3 to 4 million dollar difference is pennies when you consider...

Coug

4/4/18 5:32pm

I'm not interested in reading your whole post. But you're absolutely wrong about

CougarBacker

4/4/18 8:03pm

Our recruiting possibly can’t get worse... it’s never gotten better. Ha

Coug

4/4/18 9:28pm

Dude you can't really be this obtuse right? Right now BYU still competes for top

CougarBacker

4/4/18 10:02pm

check out our recruiting as Indy, it's the same or worse than we were in the MWC

franklyvulgar

4/5/18 3:55am

So everything I just posted went in one ear and right out the other apparently

CougarBacker

4/5/18 9:38am

This is assumed hyperbole...

Coug

4/5/18 10:02am

LOL so you just think top in state kids are going to choose G5 MWC BYU over

CougarBacker

4/5/18 11:30am

You can't see the forest through the trees

Coug

4/5/18 11:43am

Somebody hasn't looked close enough at the MWC TV deal. Get back to me when you

CougarBacker

4/5/18 11:50am

Boise has more nationally televised games because THEY ARE BETTER THAN US...

Coug

4/5/18 9:01am

You don't care wether BYU's program makes money or not, therefore your

CougarBacker

4/5/18 9:41am

What's the point?

Coug

4/5/18 10:02am

If I have to explain the point of making more money to you, then it's not worth

CougarBacker

4/5/18 11:32am

Haha....meaningless conference championship in a meaningless conference

Coug

4/5/18 11:49am

Basically every single thing you just posted is blatantly false. You're dealing

CougarBacker

4/5/18 11:53am

You're unbelievable...

Coug

4/5/18 12:08pm

LOL if you think I'm going to read that whole thing you're nuts. We have no idea

CougarBacker

4/5/18 12:15pm

You're making a huge assumption. One that a lot of people here on the board

BYUMizzou

4/5/18 12:23pm

See, I absolutely agree with what you are saying...

Coug

4/5/18 12:35pm

Winner winner chicken dinner

BYUButters

4/5/18 5:44pm

We will die AFTER all of the G5 schools. At that point we would be included

travelcoug

4/5/18 4:46pm

That's like saying "The suicide rate is higher in 2017 than in 1917, so

teancum

4/4/18 10:21am

Or maybe the schedule was just more balanced and reasonable for

franklyvulgar

4/4/18 10:23am

That argument is reasonable, I just don't think its correct.

teancum

4/4/18 10:31am

Fair enough lol at the all 12 Of them 🙂

franklyvulgar

4/4/18 10:32am

Uh yeah we went 3-3 against MWC teams last year. Not sure why people think the

CougarBacker

4/4/18 11:35am

Kalani Sitake did a poor job last year.

Richbyu

4/4/18 9:36am

Just get rid of the head coach in that case

2FarGone

4/4/18 9:44am

You don't fire a head coach for 1 poor season. He gets more opportunity

Richbyu

4/4/18 9:46am

We shouldn’t let any coach hold BYU’s decision making hostage

2FarGone

4/4/18 9:50am

Lol we haven’t finished ranked since going Indy, we haven’t beaten

franklyvulgar

4/4/18 9:54am

Actually we were ranked #25 in final rankings of 2011, first year of indy -10 Ws

gmj81

4/4/18 12:17pm

Only in one poll

franklyvulgar

4/4/18 6:18pm

Yep only an OC with multiple QB and RB injuries.

thecthdox

4/4/18 10:50am

You're being waaaaay too kind.

TeeKaa

4/4/18 10:53am

61,143 is "sparsely attended"?

Kaze

4/4/18 10:32am

The upper levels were patchy all over especially considering a top ranked

franklyvulgar

4/4/18 10:35am

61,143 is the official number. I agree, having a capacity crowd would be better

Kaze

4/4/18 10:51am

fair enuf but people were talking about the empty seats

franklyvulgar

4/4/18 10:57am

Being in a conference won't change the product on the field.

Kaze

4/4/18 11:02am

Sparsely attended? Box score says 61k paid attendance, hardly sparse

Adrielle

4/4/18 3:07pm

Interesting that SDSU has been able to somewhat keep up in terms of revenue.

TheLoneCougar

4/4/18 9:45am

Also, how in the world did UNLV have $60M in revenue in both 2009 and 2010?

4/4/18 9:49am

RE: Also, how in the world did UNLV have $60M in revenue in both 2009 and 2010?

TheWanderer

4/4/18 9:51am

Renting out campus athletic facilities was probably a big part of that

BYUMizzou

4/4/18 9:53am

Both of these schools, along with every other G5 program, get by with massive taxpayer subsidies. They do not pay their

CalGTR

4/4/18 12:59pm

I'm not an advocate to return to the MWC, but I think relying on this data is

4/4/18 9:47am

It's probably bigger than that. Per Criddle, BYUtv is now providing revenue

BYUMizzou

4/4/18 9:52am

Per the donors I know, they stop paying up so much if BYU goes to the MWC. The AD knows it.

4/4/18 10:17am

Good point regarding donors. My opinion is that it's really hard to tie it to

4/4/18 11:34am

If the MWC is not as big a difference maker, then why is not even one MEMWC school even close to BYU in annual revenue.

Adrielle

4/4/18 3:01pm

It's a lot of conjecture, for both sides of argument.

CosmoK

4/4/18 3:23pm

It will be interesting to see what happens to CSU now that their #1 booster is behind bars.

AndyDwyer

4/4/18 9:48am

#shotcaller

kotacoug

4/4/18 9:50am

BYU probably only loses like $1 million a year by joining the MWC.

displacedute

4/4/18 10:40am

RE: BYU probably only loses like $1 million a year by joining the MWC.

panguitch

4/4/18 10:51am

Considering ESPN took the extension for 2019, I'm guessing you're wrong.

4/4/18 11:46am

I'm saying ESPN's deal for BYU is like $4 million a year.

displacedute

4/4/18 12:21pm

2010: $45.4MM; 2011: $53MM

BYUMizzou

4/4/18 12:30pm

2011 - $1.3M for one-and-done at Ole Miss and $1.2M for "neutral" site TCU game.

4/4/18 12:37pm

You're forgetting to add back in the lost MWC revenue in 2011. I have no idea

BYUMizzou

4/4/18 1:46pm

You're right. Seems like it was around $1.5M, but I don't exactly remember.

4/4/18 2:11pm

Ole Miss was $900k. Where are you pulling this $1.3m figure?

mulletino

4/5/18 10:06am

Bsus deal is based on espn appearances

AC_Coug

4/4/18 11:23pm

*sigh* No matter how many times the flaws in your argument are pointed out you

Scratch

4/4/18 11:40pm

No one has disproved anything. The article you cited

AC_Coug

4/5/18 10:07pm

Nope. The BSU difference is regularly repeated in articles year after year. As

Scratch

4/5/18 10:19pm

RE: Nope. The BSU difference is regularly repeated in articles year after year.

CougarBacker

4/5/18 11:07pm

All you need to know is that the hardcore yewt fans want BYU to go to the MWC

BYUMizzou

4/6/18 7:06am

I think that BYU football is better off Indy. I just think that lots of people

Scratch

4/6/18 7:34am

Revenue actually is one of them along with a myriad of other reasons

CougarBacker

4/6/18 10:18am

What? You mean yewt fans don't have our best interest in mind? I've learned

CougarBacker

4/6/18 10:17am

I'm surprised that every school listed other than Wyoming beats Boise in revenue

CougarAndMerlin

4/4/18 1:02pm

Thanks. SDSU, UNM, and UNLV were within $5Million of BYU in 2008, NOW

Coogar2

4/4/18 2:12pm

I'm confused why Boise's revenue is lower than other MWC schools?

RdF3

4/4/18 2:38pm

Decline im truck driving school students.

Adrielle

4/4/18 3:05pm

Doesn't Boise completely destroy your entire argument? They have less $$$ than

palangi

4/4/18 3:21pm

Boise was dominant when they had Chris Peterson as coach. When he left

BYUMizzou

4/4/18 8:30pm

Crazy how many people want to sacrifice playing 4-5 NY6 caliber games during the

CougarBacker

4/4/18 10:05pm

4 or 5 NY6 caliber games? No team in the country plays that many. That would be

palangi

4/4/18 11:13pm

Yep. I would rather play top teams throughout the season.

Coogar2

4/5/18 11:28am

Boise has won 2 bcs games and a NY6. In the MWC, 1 top 10 and 4 top 25 finishes

palangi

4/4/18 10:21pm

Lol, you scoff at BSU because they were able to finish no higher than #4!

dreamlvr

4/4/18 10:57pm

Nice Strawman argument. That's not what I said or implied. What I said was

BYUMizzou

4/5/18 10:24am

More wins against who though?

AC_Coug

4/4/18 11:27pm

Yep, Indy schedules are way better, that's not debatable

palangi

4/5/18 12:13am

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