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Apr 5, 2018
11:32:24am

CougarBacker All-American

If I have to explain the point of making more money to you, then it's not worth

the debate. Please find me a single college football program that would purposely make less money and have less TV exposure to placate some whiney fans who want to be able to play for a meaningless conference championship in a meaningless conference.

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CougarBacker

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This is what's happened to the MWC while BYU has been an Independent

BYUMizzou

4/4/18 9:28am

curious where you got these numbers

mosterlow

4/4/18 9:32am

US Department of Education - from their Title IX compliance reports

BYUMizzou

4/4/18 9:33am

Yes as I watched from a sparsely attended home game vs Wisconsin last year

franklyvulgar

4/4/18 9:32am

If you want safety and no risk like 80K, then by all means advocate for going

BYUMizzou

4/4/18 9:34am

If we go 10 more years of not finishing ranked would you agree that byu

franklyvulgar

4/4/18 10:05am

No our football programs issues have nothing to do with Indy vs. MWC and

CougarBacker

4/4/18 10:08am

Ok then hypothetically though if we were ranked in the mwc before

franklyvulgar

4/4/18 10:10am

No I wouldn't. G5 is a death knell in every way

CougarBacker

4/4/18 10:15am

So is Indy

Coug

4/4/18 2:02pm

Maybe maybe not. Not nearly as quickly as MWC is. All BYU has to do to make

CougarBacker

4/4/18 2:15pm

Just as quick... and it's not a maybe...

Coug

4/4/18 2:52pm

Your premise is patently false. You have no idea what access BYU actually has

CougarBacker

4/4/18 3:12pm

3 to 4 million dollar difference is pennies when you consider...

Coug

4/4/18 5:32pm

I'm not interested in reading your whole post. But you're absolutely wrong about

CougarBacker

4/4/18 8:03pm

Our recruiting possibly can’t get worse... it’s never gotten better. Ha

Coug

4/4/18 9:28pm

Dude you can't really be this obtuse right? Right now BYU still competes for top

CougarBacker

4/4/18 10:02pm

check out our recruiting as Indy, it's the same or worse than we were in the MWC

franklyvulgar

4/5/18 3:55am

So everything I just posted went in one ear and right out the other apparently

CougarBacker

4/5/18 9:38am

This is assumed hyperbole...

Coug

4/5/18 10:02am

LOL so you just think top in state kids are going to choose G5 MWC BYU over

CougarBacker

4/5/18 11:30am

You can't see the forest through the trees

Coug

4/5/18 11:43am

Somebody hasn't looked close enough at the MWC TV deal. Get back to me when you

CougarBacker

4/5/18 11:50am

Boise has more nationally televised games because THEY ARE BETTER THAN US...

Coug

4/5/18 9:01am

You don't care wether BYU's program makes money or not, therefore your

CougarBacker

4/5/18 9:41am

What's the point?

Coug

4/5/18 10:02am

If I have to explain the point of making more money to you, then it's not worth

CougarBacker

4/5/18 11:32am

Haha....meaningless conference championship in a meaningless conference

Coug

4/5/18 11:49am

Basically every single thing you just posted is blatantly false. You're dealing

CougarBacker

4/5/18 11:53am

You're unbelievable...

Coug

4/5/18 12:08pm

LOL if you think I'm going to read that whole thing you're nuts. We have no idea

CougarBacker

4/5/18 12:15pm

You're making a huge assumption. One that a lot of people here on the board

BYUMizzou

4/5/18 12:23pm

See, I absolutely agree with what you are saying...

Coug

4/5/18 12:35pm

Winner winner chicken dinner

BYUButters

4/5/18 5:44pm

We will die AFTER all of the G5 schools. At that point we would be included

travelcoug

4/5/18 4:46pm

That's like saying "The suicide rate is higher in 2017 than in 1917, so

teancum

4/4/18 10:21am

Or maybe the schedule was just more balanced and reasonable for

franklyvulgar

4/4/18 10:23am

That argument is reasonable, I just don't think its correct.

teancum

4/4/18 10:31am

Fair enough lol at the all 12 Of them 🙂

franklyvulgar

4/4/18 10:32am

Uh yeah we went 3-3 against MWC teams last year. Not sure why people think the

CougarBacker

4/4/18 11:35am

Kalani Sitake did a poor job last year.

Richbyu

4/4/18 9:36am

Just get rid of the head coach in that case

2FarGone

4/4/18 9:44am

You don't fire a head coach for 1 poor season. He gets more opportunity

Richbyu

4/4/18 9:46am

We shouldn’t let any coach hold BYU’s decision making hostage

2FarGone

4/4/18 9:50am

Lol we haven’t finished ranked since going Indy, we haven’t beaten

franklyvulgar

4/4/18 9:54am

Actually we were ranked #25 in final rankings of 2011, first year of indy -10 Ws

gmj81

4/4/18 12:17pm

Only in one poll

franklyvulgar

4/4/18 6:18pm

Yep only an OC with multiple QB and RB injuries.

thecthdox

4/4/18 10:50am

You're being waaaaay too kind.

TeeKaa

4/4/18 10:53am

61,143 is "sparsely attended"?

Kaze

4/4/18 10:32am

The upper levels were patchy all over especially considering a top ranked

franklyvulgar

4/4/18 10:35am

61,143 is the official number. I agree, having a capacity crowd would be better

Kaze

4/4/18 10:51am

fair enuf but people were talking about the empty seats

franklyvulgar

4/4/18 10:57am

Being in a conference won't change the product on the field.

Kaze

4/4/18 11:02am

Sparsely attended? Box score says 61k paid attendance, hardly sparse

Adrielle

4/4/18 3:07pm

Interesting that SDSU has been able to somewhat keep up in terms of revenue.

TheLoneCougar

4/4/18 9:45am

Also, how in the world did UNLV have $60M in revenue in both 2009 and 2010?

4/4/18 9:49am

RE: Also, how in the world did UNLV have $60M in revenue in both 2009 and 2010?

TheWanderer

4/4/18 9:51am

Renting out campus athletic facilities was probably a big part of that

BYUMizzou

4/4/18 9:53am

Both of these schools, along with every other G5 program, get by with massive taxpayer subsidies. They do not pay their

CalGTR

4/4/18 12:59pm

I'm not an advocate to return to the MWC, but I think relying on this data is

4/4/18 9:47am

It's probably bigger than that. Per Criddle, BYUtv is now providing revenue

BYUMizzou

4/4/18 9:52am

Per the donors I know, they stop paying up so much if BYU goes to the MWC. The AD knows it.

4/4/18 10:17am

Good point regarding donors. My opinion is that it's really hard to tie it to

4/4/18 11:34am

If the MWC is not as big a difference maker, then why is not even one MEMWC school even close to BYU in annual revenue.

Adrielle

4/4/18 3:01pm

It's a lot of conjecture, for both sides of argument.

CosmoK

4/4/18 3:23pm

It will be interesting to see what happens to CSU now that their #1 booster is behind bars.

AndyDwyer

4/4/18 9:48am

#shotcaller

kotacoug

4/4/18 9:50am

BYU probably only loses like $1 million a year by joining the MWC.

displacedute

4/4/18 10:40am

RE: BYU probably only loses like $1 million a year by joining the MWC.

panguitch

4/4/18 10:51am

Considering ESPN took the extension for 2019, I'm guessing you're wrong.

4/4/18 11:46am

I'm saying ESPN's deal for BYU is like $4 million a year.

displacedute

4/4/18 12:21pm

2010: $45.4MM; 2011: $53MM

BYUMizzou

4/4/18 12:30pm

2011 - $1.3M for one-and-done at Ole Miss and $1.2M for "neutral" site TCU game.

4/4/18 12:37pm

You're forgetting to add back in the lost MWC revenue in 2011. I have no idea

BYUMizzou

4/4/18 1:46pm

You're right. Seems like it was around $1.5M, but I don't exactly remember.

4/4/18 2:11pm

Ole Miss was $900k. Where are you pulling this $1.3m figure?

mulletino

4/5/18 10:06am

Bsus deal is based on espn appearances

AC_Coug

4/4/18 11:23pm

*sigh* No matter how many times the flaws in your argument are pointed out you

Scratch

4/4/18 11:40pm

No one has disproved anything. The article you cited

AC_Coug

4/5/18 10:07pm

Nope. The BSU difference is regularly repeated in articles year after year. As

Scratch

4/5/18 10:19pm

RE: Nope. The BSU difference is regularly repeated in articles year after year.

CougarBacker

4/5/18 11:07pm

All you need to know is that the hardcore yewt fans want BYU to go to the MWC

BYUMizzou

4/6/18 7:06am

I think that BYU football is better off Indy. I just think that lots of people

Scratch

4/6/18 7:34am

Revenue actually is one of them along with a myriad of other reasons

CougarBacker

4/6/18 10:18am

What? You mean yewt fans don't have our best interest in mind? I've learned

CougarBacker

4/6/18 10:17am

I'm surprised that every school listed other than Wyoming beats Boise in revenue

CougarAndMerlin

4/4/18 1:02pm

Thanks. SDSU, UNM, and UNLV were within $5Million of BYU in 2008, NOW

Coogar2

4/4/18 2:12pm

I'm confused why Boise's revenue is lower than other MWC schools?

RdF3

4/4/18 2:38pm

Decline im truck driving school students.

Adrielle

4/4/18 3:05pm

Doesn't Boise completely destroy your entire argument? They have less $$$ than

palangi

4/4/18 3:21pm

Boise was dominant when they had Chris Peterson as coach. When he left

BYUMizzou

4/4/18 8:30pm

Crazy how many people want to sacrifice playing 4-5 NY6 caliber games during the

CougarBacker

4/4/18 10:05pm

4 or 5 NY6 caliber games? No team in the country plays that many. That would be

palangi

4/4/18 11:13pm

Yep. I would rather play top teams throughout the season.

Coogar2

4/5/18 11:28am

Boise has won 2 bcs games and a NY6. In the MWC, 1 top 10 and 4 top 25 finishes

palangi

4/4/18 10:21pm

Lol, you scoff at BSU because they were able to finish no higher than #4!

dreamlvr

4/4/18 10:57pm

Nice Strawman argument. That's not what I said or implied. What I said was

BYUMizzou

4/5/18 10:24am

More wins against who though?

AC_Coug

4/4/18 11:27pm

Yep, Indy schedules are way better, that's not debatable

palangi

4/5/18 12:13am

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