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Feb 28, 2019
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bscores2
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pretty sure that is my younger sisters friend.
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The younger brother of one of my daughter's friends committed suicide tonight
kccougar
All-American
2/27/19 9:45pm
A girl who was about 16 hung herself in her closet a couple weeks ago in our
kotacoug
2/27/19 9:51pm
Obviously. In the meantime, we can make it more difficult for them.
kccougar
2/27/19 9:53pm
Not sure how you’d do that. Are you going to prohibit youth from using firearms?
kotacoug
2/27/19 9:59pm
What would I personally do?
kccougar
2/27/19 10:04pm
Was that the case in the situation you mentioned? Totally
kotacoug
2/27/19 10:07pm
That's all I'm saying.
kccougar
2/27/19 10:08pm
A lot of kids know the combos to the safes. Because they are different and
Dillinger
2/27/19 10:21pm
This is my approach too but it does have a downside
Northwest Cougar
2/28/19 9:43am
Several years ago, nephew on wife's side, jumped off a cliff. You can't protect
Borg
2/28/19 9:53am
I'd advocate a step further. Forget the "why" (too easy to look at simplistic reason that miss the mark) and
soupie
2/28/19 9:58am
But. IMO thar IS a why. People arent learning those very things you mentioned
CarolinaCoug
2/28/19 12:11pm
And those general principles are fine to discuss and how to correct them but to look for 1 or 2 things
soupie
2/28/19 12:16pm
One or two sad anecdotes don’t disprove wider well known stats
Joe Banks
2/28/19 9:59am
Actually, it is kind of hard to go up into the mountains and jump
Jay Rick
2/28/19 10:06am
Yeah, they could just swallow a bottle of bleach, or medicine jump out a 3rd
CarolinaCoug
2/28/19 12:14pm
one of the guests on The Hilarious World of Depression mentioned something like
cougarsnooty
2/28/19 11:46am
He meant his stupidity(not depression)? How long does it take to
CarolinaCoug
2/28/19 12:18pm
The data suggests otherwise.
Jay Rick
2/28/19 12:29pm
Did you read my oost? Your answer sugg no. It takes less planning to drink bleac
CarolinaCoug
2/28/19 3:10pm
I can tell you are very invested in guns not being seen as a household danger.
Jay Rick
2/28/19 3:21pm
They are dangerous. Now what?
CarolinaCoug
2/28/19 3:27pm
You would be wrong. So..like i said.They are dangerous..now what? Do you want
CarolinaCoug
2/28/19 3:54pm
I guess I jjst don’t understand the point of arguing that other
Jay Rick
2/28/19 4:19pm
Nah.. Its that lots of things are dangerous and should all
CarolinaCoug
2/28/19 6:26pm
I get that. Based what I’ve read, guns pose a higher risk than those
Jay Rick
2/28/19 8:40pm
I think U R. I'll xplain. Like I said children Die more from cosmetics in homes
CarolinaCoug
2/28/19 10:10pm
You obviously don't suffer from depression
cougarsnooty
2/28/19 2:54pm
Not chronically depressed. Defintely not stupidity
CarolinaCoug
2/28/19 3:18pm
One of the issues with access to guns is that they are so easy to use. Kids are
777
2/27/19 10:44pm
pretty sure that is my younger sisters friend.
bscores2
2/28/19 5:08am
Yes. She was around the same age as my daughter and
kotacoug
2/28/19 8:01am
Interesting that 6 people don’t think we need to focus on the source
kotacoug
2/28/19 8:00am
Interesting that 9 people think the way it is usually accomplished is not
fbguru
2/28/19 8:52am
So you think the main focus should be on the method not the reason
kotacoug
2/28/19 8:54am
They're not mutually exclusive.
mik3
2/28/19 9:03am
This. Your posts seem to try to make them so.
fbguru
2/28/19 9:12am
1. Social media. 2. Lack of interconnectivity.3.lack of feeling of purpose
CarolinaCoug
2/28/19 11:03am
Sadly, suicidal teens without access to guns will still find a way
SlantRoute
2/27/19 9:55pm
Sometimes true, sometimes not. Gun access is a huge factor.
Joe Banks
2/27/19 9:56pm
A rope or belt is easier to get, restricting the apparatus for committing
kotacoug
2/27/19 10:02pm
No one is ranking it as the number one issue. I'm just saying that if you own a gun
kccougar
2/27/19 10:05pm
That, of course, is pretty obvious but there are idiots out there.
notsofast
2/27/19 10:20pm
I have a friend who is a psychiatrist focused on this issue. Gun access does
jkccoug
2/27/19 10:04pm
Yup
spugeddy24
2/27/19 10:18pm
They will find a way...at a reduced rate.
kccougar
2/27/19 10:00pm
I agree. Not sure why locking up guns is controversial.
spugeddy24
2/27/19 10:19pm
Any gun owner who doesn’t have their firearms locked up are just being irresponsible.
Andy Stitzer
2/27/19 10:35pm
Is there a study that shows this or is it just what you assume?
chago04
2/28/19 6:36am
Quite a few. Here’s one more cited:
IGlowInTheDark
2/28/19 8:31am
Yes that study does not cite gun storage, which is what kc is talking about. In fact, that study says storage
chago04
2/28/19 8:49am
Didn’t realize that was the debated topic
IGlowInTheDark
2/28/19 10:01am
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fbguru
2/28/19 8:48am
Yes they will find a way
chitchatfan
2/28/19 12:20pm
Why does a 9th grader want to commit suicide is my question
Crazy Duck
2/27/19 9:56pm
Yeah, this is the question — my guess is there were some forces on social media
Wolvercougs
2/27/19 10:14pm
Lots of reasons. Many teens have suicidal thoughts.
spugeddy24
2/27/19 10:19pm
Its probably closer to virtually every single one, honestly
Dissenter
2/28/19 5:52am
Yeah. It’s higher than people want to admit.
spugeddy24
2/28/19 10:48am
I think there needs to be a larger push to study and treat mental illness
Crazy Duck
2/28/19 11:19am
Yes, but having suicidal thoughts is not even close to the same as
LiveCoug
2/28/19 1:03pm
Mind sharing what general area?
Joe Banks
2/27/19 10:06pm
So sad. We had a long talk with my oldest kids today about suicide
mobomanjoe
2/27/19 10:34pm
Seminary and inst. teachers heard a talk from Elder Rasband about this recently
byujdmba
2/27/19 10:50pm
I think during January and February, when kids have been inside for a few months
BW84
2/28/19 12:34am
Society has certainly changed. Nobody wants to address the real issues.
coolblue
2/28/19 6:55am
I agree, but I'm curious what you see as the real issues.
whirl
2/28/19 7:01am
The mental health crisis in America
USMCdad
2/28/19 7:06am
Thats not accurate. Many try very hard to address the issues.
Joe Banks
2/28/19 8:43am
We had a kid in my kids HS who was a 9th grader who also committed
Blue for Life
2/28/19 8:52am
Suicide prevention is important and gun safety is important.
Archaea
2/28/19 10:03am
Thank you.
kccougar
2/28/19 10:09am
This is tragic but don't blame the gunowner....
BYU Grounds
2/28/19 10:46am
if someone left out medicine that killed a kid yes i would blame them
buckeyecougarguy
2/28/19 11:48am
Lock them up if you have kids and you are not home.
Archaea
2/28/19 12:20pm
I don't blame the home owner for the suicide.
kccougar
2/28/19 12:59pm
The bottom line that people need to know is that you are more likely to have a
buckeyecougarguy
2/28/19 11:45am
You had me until the mental illness component.
Archaea
2/28/19 12:22pm
someone would have to decide where the line is, I wouldn't want to be
buckeyecougarguy
2/28/19 12:40pm
This is NOT an exact science, so I am weary of judges making that determination.
Archaea
2/28/19 6:26pm
Me too. Just like anything else in the medical, legal, political realm
buckeyecougarguy
2/28/19 10:29pm
Show me where a Constitutional right exists a situation where a mental
Archaea
2/28/19 10:50pm
well how about minors having guns? Its a constitution right to bear arms. Why
buckeyecougarguy
3/1/19 9:35am
Minors do not have full Constitutional rights, it has nothing to do with people
Archaea
3/1/19 9:59am
Bottom line. Your stat sux. You are more likely to be killed driving your car
CarolinaCoug
2/28/19 2:11pm
RE: Bottom line. Your stat sux. You are more likely to be killed driving your
buckeyecougarguy
2/28/19 8:16pm
The gun isn't the risk. The mental state of individual people is the risk.
SpiffCoug
2/28/19 2:14pm
So guns offer no risk?
buckeyecougarguy
2/28/19 8:26pm
No. Guns increase the lethality of an attempt. But the gun is not the risk. It's the tool used.
SpiffCoug
2/28/19 8:41pm
Guns are lethal and easy. That's why suicidal people should be kept from them.
Archaea
2/28/19 10:22pm
While i agree. Please read the post above LINK
CarolinaCoug
2/28/19 10:30pm
Guns are intended to stop or to kill; medicines have other designs.
Archaea
2/28/19 10:56pm
I dont see an either or situation here. We should strive for safety and
CarolinaCoug
2/28/19 11:23pm
wow... I don't think you could possibly say anything
chinngiskhaan
2/28/19 10:33pm
It depends upon the age and gender, men use guns, women use poison.
Archaea
2/28/19 10:57pm
Link. Men use guns and women use poison.
Archaea
2/28/19 11:01pm
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