You had me until the mental illness component.

Feb 28, 2019
12:22:43pm

Archaea All-American

I don't support legislation that takes guns away just due to mental illness. There are spectra of mental illness and gunowners who weren't mentally ill could be accused of it.

You see it in divorce cases all too frequently.

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Archaea

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The younger brother of one of my daughter's friends committed suicide tonight

kccougar All-American

2/27/19 9:45pm

A girl who was about 16 hung herself in her closet a couple weeks ago in our

kotacoug

2/27/19 9:51pm

Obviously. In the meantime, we can make it more difficult for them.

kccougar

2/27/19 9:53pm

Not sure how you’d do that. Are you going to prohibit youth from using firearms?

kotacoug

2/27/19 9:59pm

What would I personally do?

kccougar

2/27/19 10:04pm

Was that the case in the situation you mentioned? Totally

kotacoug

2/27/19 10:07pm

That's all I'm saying.

kccougar

2/27/19 10:08pm

A lot of kids know the combos to the safes. Because they are different and

Dillinger

2/27/19 10:21pm

This is my approach too but it does have a downside

Northwest Cougar

2/28/19 9:43am

Several years ago, nephew on wife's side, jumped off a cliff. You can't protect

Borg

2/28/19 9:53am

I'd advocate a step further. Forget the "why" (too easy to look at simplistic reason that miss the mark) and

soupie

2/28/19 9:58am

But. IMO thar IS a why. People arent learning those very things you mentioned

CarolinaCoug

2/28/19 12:11pm

And those general principles are fine to discuss and how to correct them but to look for 1 or 2 things

soupie

2/28/19 12:16pm

One or two sad anecdotes don’t disprove wider well known stats

Joe Banks

2/28/19 9:59am

Actually, it is kind of hard to go up into the mountains and jump

Jay Rick

2/28/19 10:06am

Yeah, they could just swallow a bottle of bleach, or medicine jump out a 3rd

CarolinaCoug

2/28/19 12:14pm

one of the guests on The Hilarious World of Depression mentioned something like

cougarsnooty

2/28/19 11:46am

He meant his stupidity(not depression)? How long does it take to

CarolinaCoug

2/28/19 12:18pm

The data suggests otherwise.

Jay Rick

2/28/19 12:29pm

Did you read my oost? Your answer sugg no. It takes less planning to drink bleac

CarolinaCoug

2/28/19 3:10pm

I can tell you are very invested in guns not being seen as a household danger.

Jay Rick

2/28/19 3:21pm

They are dangerous. Now what?

CarolinaCoug

2/28/19 3:27pm

You would be wrong. So..like i said.They are dangerous..now what? Do you want

CarolinaCoug

2/28/19 3:54pm

I guess I jjst don’t understand the point of arguing that other

Jay Rick

2/28/19 4:19pm

Nah.. Its that lots of things are dangerous and should all

CarolinaCoug

2/28/19 6:26pm

I get that. Based what I’ve read, guns pose a higher risk than those

Jay Rick

2/28/19 8:40pm

I think U R. I'll xplain. Like I said children Die more from cosmetics in homes

CarolinaCoug

2/28/19 10:10pm

You obviously don't suffer from depression

cougarsnooty

2/28/19 2:54pm

Not chronically depressed. Defintely not stupidity

CarolinaCoug

2/28/19 3:18pm

One of the issues with access to guns is that they are so easy to use. Kids are

777

2/27/19 10:44pm

pretty sure that is my younger sisters friend.

bscores2

2/28/19 5:08am

Yes. She was around the same age as my daughter and

kotacoug

2/28/19 8:01am

Interesting that 6 people don’t think we need to focus on the source

kotacoug

2/28/19 8:00am

Interesting that 9 people think the way it is usually accomplished is not

fbguru

2/28/19 8:52am

So you think the main focus should be on the method not the reason

kotacoug

2/28/19 8:54am

They're not mutually exclusive.

mik3

2/28/19 9:03am

This. Your posts seem to try to make them so.

fbguru

2/28/19 9:12am

1. Social media. 2. Lack of interconnectivity.3.lack of feeling of purpose

CarolinaCoug

2/28/19 11:03am

Sadly, suicidal teens without access to guns will still find a way

SlantRoute

2/27/19 9:55pm

Sometimes true, sometimes not. Gun access is a huge factor.

Joe Banks

2/27/19 9:56pm

A rope or belt is easier to get, restricting the apparatus for committing

kotacoug

2/27/19 10:02pm

No one is ranking it as the number one issue. I'm just saying that if you own a gun

kccougar

2/27/19 10:05pm

That, of course, is pretty obvious but there are idiots out there.

notsofast

2/27/19 10:20pm

I have a friend who is a psychiatrist focused on this issue. Gun access does

jkccoug

2/27/19 10:04pm

Yup

spugeddy24

2/27/19 10:18pm

They will find a way...at a reduced rate.

kccougar

2/27/19 10:00pm

I agree. Not sure why locking up guns is controversial.

spugeddy24

2/27/19 10:19pm

Any gun owner who doesn’t have their firearms locked up are just being irresponsible.

Andy Stitzer

2/27/19 10:35pm

Is there a study that shows this or is it just what you assume?

chago04

2/28/19 6:36am

Quite a few. Here’s one more cited:

IGlowInTheDark

2/28/19 8:31am

Yes that study does not cite gun storage, which is what kc is talking about. In fact, that study says storage

chago04

2/28/19 8:49am

Didn’t realize that was the debated topic

IGlowInTheDark

2/28/19 10:01am

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fbguru

2/28/19 8:48am

Yes they will find a way

chitchatfan

2/28/19 12:20pm

Why does a 9th grader want to commit suicide is my question

Crazy Duck

2/27/19 9:56pm

Yeah, this is the question — my guess is there were some forces on social media

Wolvercougs

2/27/19 10:14pm

Lots of reasons. Many teens have suicidal thoughts.

spugeddy24

2/27/19 10:19pm

Its probably closer to virtually every single one, honestly

Dissenter

2/28/19 5:52am

Yeah. It’s higher than people want to admit.

spugeddy24

2/28/19 10:48am

I think there needs to be a larger push to study and treat mental illness

Crazy Duck

2/28/19 11:19am

Yes, but having suicidal thoughts is not even close to the same as

LiveCoug

2/28/19 1:03pm

Mind sharing what general area?

Joe Banks

2/27/19 10:06pm

So sad. We had a long talk with my oldest kids today about suicide

mobomanjoe

2/27/19 10:34pm

Seminary and inst. teachers heard a talk from Elder Rasband about this recently

byujdmba

2/27/19 10:50pm

I think during January and February, when kids have been inside for a few months

BW84

2/28/19 12:34am

Society has certainly changed. Nobody wants to address the real issues.

coolblue

2/28/19 6:55am

I agree, but I'm curious what you see as the real issues.

whirl

2/28/19 7:01am

The mental health crisis in America

USMCdad

2/28/19 7:06am

Thats not accurate. Many try very hard to address the issues.

Joe Banks

2/28/19 8:43am

We had a kid in my kids HS who was a 9th grader who also committed

Blue for Life

2/28/19 8:52am

Suicide prevention is important and gun safety is important.

Archaea

2/28/19 10:03am

Thank you.

kccougar

2/28/19 10:09am

This is tragic but don't blame the gunowner....

BYU Grounds

2/28/19 10:46am

if someone left out medicine that killed a kid yes i would blame them

buckeyecougarguy

2/28/19 11:48am

Lock them up if you have kids and you are not home.

Archaea

2/28/19 12:20pm

I don't blame the home owner for the suicide.

kccougar

2/28/19 12:59pm

The bottom line that people need to know is that you are more likely to have a

buckeyecougarguy

2/28/19 11:45am

You had me until the mental illness component.

Archaea

2/28/19 12:22pm

someone would have to decide where the line is, I wouldn't want to be

buckeyecougarguy

2/28/19 12:40pm

This is NOT an exact science, so I am weary of judges making that determination.

Archaea

2/28/19 6:26pm

Me too. Just like anything else in the medical, legal, political realm

buckeyecougarguy

2/28/19 10:29pm

Show me where a Constitutional right exists a situation where a mental

Archaea

2/28/19 10:50pm

well how about minors having guns? Its a constitution right to bear arms. Why

buckeyecougarguy

3/1/19 9:35am

Minors do not have full Constitutional rights, it has nothing to do with people

Archaea

3/1/19 9:59am

Bottom line. Your stat sux. You are more likely to be killed driving your car

CarolinaCoug

2/28/19 2:11pm

RE: Bottom line. Your stat sux. You are more likely to be killed driving your

buckeyecougarguy

2/28/19 8:16pm

The gun isn't the risk. The mental state of individual people is the risk.

SpiffCoug

2/28/19 2:14pm

So guns offer no risk?

buckeyecougarguy

2/28/19 8:26pm

No. Guns increase the lethality of an attempt. But the gun is not the risk. It's the tool used.

SpiffCoug

2/28/19 8:41pm

Guns are lethal and easy. That's why suicidal people should be kept from them.

Archaea

2/28/19 10:22pm

While i agree. Please read the post above LINK

CarolinaCoug

2/28/19 10:30pm

Guns are intended to stop or to kill; medicines have other designs.

Archaea

2/28/19 10:56pm

I dont see an either or situation here. We should strive for safety and

CarolinaCoug

2/28/19 11:23pm

wow... I don't think you could possibly say anything

chinngiskhaan

2/28/19 10:33pm

It depends upon the age and gender, men use guns, women use poison.

Archaea

2/28/19 10:57pm

Link. Men use guns and women use poison.

Archaea

2/28/19 11:01pm

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