I guess I jjst don’t understand the point of arguing that other

Feb 28, 2019
4:19:15pm

Jay Rick All-American

things are dangerous too. Is the argument that gun owners shouldn’t worry and shouldn’t lock up theirs guns because it doesn’t make a difference?

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The younger brother of one of my daughter's friends committed suicide tonight

kccougar All-American

2/27/19 9:45pm

A girl who was about 16 hung herself in her closet a couple weeks ago in our

kotacoug

2/27/19 9:51pm

Obviously. In the meantime, we can make it more difficult for them.

kccougar

2/27/19 9:53pm

Not sure how you’d do that. Are you going to prohibit youth from using firearms?

kotacoug

2/27/19 9:59pm

What would I personally do?

kccougar

2/27/19 10:04pm

Was that the case in the situation you mentioned? Totally

kotacoug

2/27/19 10:07pm

That's all I'm saying.

kccougar

2/27/19 10:08pm

A lot of kids know the combos to the safes. Because they are different and

Dillinger

2/27/19 10:21pm

This is my approach too but it does have a downside

Northwest Cougar

2/28/19 9:43am

Several years ago, nephew on wife's side, jumped off a cliff. You can't protect

Borg

2/28/19 9:53am

I'd advocate a step further. Forget the "why" (too easy to look at simplistic reason that miss the mark) and

soupie

2/28/19 9:58am

But. IMO thar IS a why. People arent learning those very things you mentioned

CarolinaCoug

2/28/19 12:11pm

And those general principles are fine to discuss and how to correct them but to look for 1 or 2 things

soupie

2/28/19 12:16pm

One or two sad anecdotes don’t disprove wider well known stats

Joe Banks

2/28/19 9:59am

Actually, it is kind of hard to go up into the mountains and jump

Jay Rick

2/28/19 10:06am

Yeah, they could just swallow a bottle of bleach, or medicine jump out a 3rd

CarolinaCoug

2/28/19 12:14pm

one of the guests on The Hilarious World of Depression mentioned something like

cougarsnooty

2/28/19 11:46am

He meant his stupidity(not depression)? How long does it take to

CarolinaCoug

2/28/19 12:18pm

The data suggests otherwise.

Jay Rick

2/28/19 12:29pm

Did you read my oost? Your answer sugg no. It takes less planning to drink bleac

CarolinaCoug

2/28/19 3:10pm

I can tell you are very invested in guns not being seen as a household danger.

Jay Rick

2/28/19 3:21pm

They are dangerous. Now what?

CarolinaCoug

2/28/19 3:27pm

You would be wrong. So..like i said.They are dangerous..now what? Do you want

CarolinaCoug

2/28/19 3:54pm

I guess I jjst don’t understand the point of arguing that other

Jay Rick

2/28/19 4:19pm

Nah.. Its that lots of things are dangerous and should all

CarolinaCoug

2/28/19 6:26pm

I get that. Based what I’ve read, guns pose a higher risk than those

Jay Rick

2/28/19 8:40pm

I think U R. I'll xplain. Like I said children Die more from cosmetics in homes

CarolinaCoug

2/28/19 10:10pm

You obviously don't suffer from depression

cougarsnooty

2/28/19 2:54pm

Not chronically depressed. Defintely not stupidity

CarolinaCoug

2/28/19 3:18pm

One of the issues with access to guns is that they are so easy to use. Kids are

777

2/27/19 10:44pm

pretty sure that is my younger sisters friend.

bscores2

2/28/19 5:08am

Yes. She was around the same age as my daughter and

kotacoug

2/28/19 8:01am

Interesting that 6 people don’t think we need to focus on the source

kotacoug

2/28/19 8:00am

Interesting that 9 people think the way it is usually accomplished is not

fbguru

2/28/19 8:52am

So you think the main focus should be on the method not the reason

kotacoug

2/28/19 8:54am

They're not mutually exclusive.

mik3

2/28/19 9:03am

This. Your posts seem to try to make them so.

fbguru

2/28/19 9:12am

1. Social media. 2. Lack of interconnectivity.3.lack of feeling of purpose

CarolinaCoug

2/28/19 11:03am

Sadly, suicidal teens without access to guns will still find a way

SlantRoute

2/27/19 9:55pm

Sometimes true, sometimes not. Gun access is a huge factor.

Joe Banks

2/27/19 9:56pm

A rope or belt is easier to get, restricting the apparatus for committing

kotacoug

2/27/19 10:02pm

No one is ranking it as the number one issue. I'm just saying that if you own a gun

kccougar

2/27/19 10:05pm

That, of course, is pretty obvious but there are idiots out there.

notsofast

2/27/19 10:20pm

I have a friend who is a psychiatrist focused on this issue. Gun access does

jkccoug

2/27/19 10:04pm

Yup

spugeddy24

2/27/19 10:18pm

They will find a way...at a reduced rate.

kccougar

2/27/19 10:00pm

I agree. Not sure why locking up guns is controversial.

spugeddy24

2/27/19 10:19pm

Any gun owner who doesn’t have their firearms locked up are just being irresponsible.

Andy Stitzer

2/27/19 10:35pm

Is there a study that shows this or is it just what you assume?

chago04

2/28/19 6:36am

Quite a few. Here’s one more cited:

IGlowInTheDark

2/28/19 8:31am

Yes that study does not cite gun storage, which is what kc is talking about. In fact, that study says storage

chago04

2/28/19 8:49am

Didn’t realize that was the debated topic

IGlowInTheDark

2/28/19 10:01am

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fbguru

2/28/19 8:48am

Yes they will find a way

chitchatfan

2/28/19 12:20pm

Why does a 9th grader want to commit suicide is my question

Crazy Duck

2/27/19 9:56pm

Yeah, this is the question — my guess is there were some forces on social media

Wolvercougs

2/27/19 10:14pm

Lots of reasons. Many teens have suicidal thoughts.

spugeddy24

2/27/19 10:19pm

Its probably closer to virtually every single one, honestly

Dissenter

2/28/19 5:52am

Yeah. It’s higher than people want to admit.

spugeddy24

2/28/19 10:48am

I think there needs to be a larger push to study and treat mental illness

Crazy Duck

2/28/19 11:19am

Yes, but having suicidal thoughts is not even close to the same as

LiveCoug

2/28/19 1:03pm

Mind sharing what general area?

Joe Banks

2/27/19 10:06pm

So sad. We had a long talk with my oldest kids today about suicide

mobomanjoe

2/27/19 10:34pm

Seminary and inst. teachers heard a talk from Elder Rasband about this recently

byujdmba

2/27/19 10:50pm

I think during January and February, when kids have been inside for a few months

BW84

2/28/19 12:34am

Society has certainly changed. Nobody wants to address the real issues.

coolblue

2/28/19 6:55am

I agree, but I'm curious what you see as the real issues.

whirl

2/28/19 7:01am

The mental health crisis in America

USMCdad

2/28/19 7:06am

Thats not accurate. Many try very hard to address the issues.

Joe Banks

2/28/19 8:43am

We had a kid in my kids HS who was a 9th grader who also committed

Blue for Life

2/28/19 8:52am

Suicide prevention is important and gun safety is important.

Archaea

2/28/19 10:03am

Thank you.

kccougar

2/28/19 10:09am

This is tragic but don't blame the gunowner....

BYU Grounds

2/28/19 10:46am

if someone left out medicine that killed a kid yes i would blame them

buckeyecougarguy

2/28/19 11:48am

Lock them up if you have kids and you are not home.

Archaea

2/28/19 12:20pm

I don't blame the home owner for the suicide.

kccougar

2/28/19 12:59pm

The bottom line that people need to know is that you are more likely to have a

buckeyecougarguy

2/28/19 11:45am

You had me until the mental illness component.

Archaea

2/28/19 12:22pm

someone would have to decide where the line is, I wouldn't want to be

buckeyecougarguy

2/28/19 12:40pm

This is NOT an exact science, so I am weary of judges making that determination.

Archaea

2/28/19 6:26pm

Me too. Just like anything else in the medical, legal, political realm

buckeyecougarguy

2/28/19 10:29pm

Show me where a Constitutional right exists a situation where a mental

Archaea

2/28/19 10:50pm

well how about minors having guns? Its a constitution right to bear arms. Why

buckeyecougarguy

3/1/19 9:35am

Minors do not have full Constitutional rights, it has nothing to do with people

Archaea

3/1/19 9:59am

Bottom line. Your stat sux. You are more likely to be killed driving your car

CarolinaCoug

2/28/19 2:11pm

RE: Bottom line. Your stat sux. You are more likely to be killed driving your

buckeyecougarguy

2/28/19 8:16pm

The gun isn't the risk. The mental state of individual people is the risk.

SpiffCoug

2/28/19 2:14pm

So guns offer no risk?

buckeyecougarguy

2/28/19 8:26pm

No. Guns increase the lethality of an attempt. But the gun is not the risk. It's the tool used.

SpiffCoug

2/28/19 8:41pm

Guns are lethal and easy. That's why suicidal people should be kept from them.

Archaea

2/28/19 10:22pm

While i agree. Please read the post above LINK

CarolinaCoug

2/28/19 10:30pm

Guns are intended to stop or to kill; medicines have other designs.

Archaea

2/28/19 10:56pm

I dont see an either or situation here. We should strive for safety and

CarolinaCoug

2/28/19 11:23pm

wow... I don't think you could possibly say anything

chinngiskhaan

2/28/19 10:33pm

It depends upon the age and gender, men use guns, women use poison.

Archaea

2/28/19 10:57pm

Link. Men use guns and women use poison.

Archaea

2/28/19 11:01pm

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