Is it teachers that should be bagged on in this case, or admins?

Jun 9, 2019
10:00:15am

TheWanderer Playmaker

My mom teaches 3rd grade. Given a list of all teachers in the school, my mom would love to fire several of them. Administration has made it such a lengthy process to fire a teacher that few schools manage to go through with it.

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TheWanderer

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From my experience - most of the people who bag on teachers publicly

newbie

6/9/19 9:06am

Geez- Why can't I spell Publicly

newbie

6/9/19 9:10am

Or principal.

The Dude Abides

6/9/19 9:11am

Or just about anything really

newbie

6/9/19 9:11am

I yused huked onn fonicks to hellp mee.

Texas Hammer

6/9/19 10:03am

You probably had bad teachers or your parents didn’t care

Longbow Cougar

6/9/19 9:16am

Just spell it fonetickley for us.

Q-grr

6/9/19 9:13am

My only complaint about teachers, and it’s not all of them. Is that they

bluecougar1985

6/9/19 9:17am

What state are you in? They are begging for teachers where I live.

Q-grr

6/9/19 9:18am

Idaho. I also served on the school board (district over 10,000 students) as the

bluecougar1985

6/9/19 9:23am

Idaho is saturated with teachers because it's an "approved" job for LDS women.

TheWanderer

6/9/19 9:56am

How does anything you wrote disprove supply and demand?

bluecougar1985

6/9/19 9:59am

It's not just raw supply and demand. Quality also comes into play.

TheWanderer

6/9/19 10:05am

I was on the board in 93 for 4 years. I can speak from experience that it is the

bluecougar1985

6/9/19 10:14am

Being on the school board means you represented the "other side."

TheWanderer

6/9/19 3:49pm

I’ll give it to you that I’m conservative, but that board as a whole is far from

bluecougar1985

6/9/19 4:10pm

just because there are enough applicants, doesn't mean there are enough qualified applicants. I'm told that in Utah,

HarlemCoug

6/9/19 9:22am

This is probably true

newbie

6/9/19 9:25am

I don't think so - I think that over the last 40 years there has been a significant brain drain from teaching.

HarlemCoug

6/9/19 9:33am

You are exactly right. The quality may be down, and negotiations typically

bluecougar1985

6/9/19 9:27am

It's CRAZY when teachers aren't paid for their ability.

HarlemCoug

6/9/19 9:34am

I agree. Districts should be allowed to negotiate with individuals rather than

bluecougar1985

6/9/19 9:38am

This is true too...I used to get upwards of 100 applicants for certain content

Don_Juan_El_Guapo

6/9/19 9:38am

Is it okay to complain when the pay schedule is frozen for 10 years?

Jeffacka

6/9/19 9:30am

Wouldn’t be frozen if half the teachers in the country quit.

bluecougar1985

6/9/19 9:32am

SLC teachers just turned down a $50k starting wage package..I get why

Don_Juan_El_Guapo

6/9/19 9:45am

What’s the current starting wage?

bluecougar1985

6/9/19 9:47am

In SLC school district it's around 45K...so a $5K raise for 1st year teachers

Don_Juan_El_Guapo

6/9/19 9:51am

Back that up with evidence. You're wrong.

Jeffacka

6/9/19 11:07am

That is complete ignorance. Good day.

bluecougar1985

6/9/19 12:24pm

You got trapped in a pit.

Jeffacka

6/9/19 2:35pm

How so? You asked for proof without providing any yourself.

bluecougar1985

6/9/19 2:52pm

RE: How so? You asked for proof without providing any yourself.

Jeffacka

6/9/19 3:01pm

If that happened nationwide you know wages would go up.

bluecougar1985

6/9/19 3:10pm

We tried that, but we can't walk out forever.

Jeffacka

6/9/19 3:13pm

I respect someone that does it anyway, but you agreed on the wage.

bluecougar1985

6/9/19 3:15pm

That makes sense now.

Jeffacka

6/9/19 3:26pm

What do you mean?

bluecougar1985

6/9/19 3:27pm

I am not stating here you shouldn’t be paid more. I am claiming the market

bluecougar1985

6/9/19 3:17pm

Great thought, but that's not really how it works.

Jeffacka

6/9/19 3:28pm

I really feel you keep slighting me here.

bluecougar1985

6/9/19 3:35pm

There's just a lot going over your head.

Jeffacka

6/9/19 3:49pm

So you are going to talk down to me, got it.

bluecougar1985

6/9/19 4:12pm

You can't disagree with facts.

Jeffacka

6/9/19 4:16pm

Like the facts of supply and demand. I knew you’d get it.

bluecougar1985

6/9/19 4:18pm

That has nothing to do with teaching. The situation proves that point.

Jeffacka

6/9/19 4:31pm

Lol, Lip Gallagher obviously doesn’t understand supply and demand.

bluecougar1985

6/9/19 9:43am

Why add supply and demand to your statement

84 Grad

6/9/19 10:10am

I just laugh at the people who aren't teachers who pretend to know it all about

Lip Gallagher

6/9/19 10:56am

RE: I just laugh at the people who aren't teachers who pretend to know it all

bluecougar1985

6/9/19 12:26pm

In theory. But the invisible hand moves slower when it requires govt fiat

JollyGreenGiant

6/9/19 10:46am

I believe the education of our children shouldn't be left to market forces.

Cougarrr

6/9/19 10:59am

So what should they be paid? $150K

bluecougar1985

6/9/19 12:44pm

The easiest way to know if teachers are getting paid enough is to see the kind of applications you're getting to fill

HarlemCoug

6/9/19 2:51pm

This is accurate to an extent.

bluecougar1985

6/9/19 2:55pm

my hope is many of them are out of work because the pay got doubled. We take our education with us when we die. It's

HarlemCoug

6/9/19 3:05pm

Great points.

bluecougar1985

6/9/19 3:23pm

Sounds like your children are home schooled.

Bullrider

6/9/19 2:53pm

#Preach (perfect day to do so)

Don_Juan_El_Guapo

6/9/19 9:18am

I bag on teacher's publicly - their industry doesn't do a good job of firing underperforming people. Underperforming

HarlemCoug

6/9/19 9:20am

It's a double edged sword...the vast majority of teachers protect other teachers

Don_Juan_El_Guapo

6/9/19 9:28am

How do you propose to fix the teacher shortage.

Jeffacka

6/9/19 9:29am

Get rid of teachers unions

KingDave

6/9/19 9:38am

Explain Arizona. We don't have a union.

Jeffacka

6/9/19 11:08am

Supply and demand.

bluecougar1985

6/9/19 12:48pm

There's a teaching shortage.

Jeffacka

6/9/19 2:34pm

Really? Then why are no schools being closed?

bluecougar1985

6/9/19 2:59pm

Legislators have a huge influence on class size, but that's a different story.

Jeffacka

6/9/19 3:08pm

Sounds much worse than here.

bluecougar1985

6/9/19 3:26pm

Spoken like a true Idaho school board member.

TheWanderer

6/9/19 3:55pm

So many bad school board members in this country.

Jeffacka

6/9/19 4:08pm

Some people just can't be reached.

Jeffacka

6/9/19 4:09pm

The fix in NY (because pay is good) is to require the firing of 5% of all teachers each year. Way too much dead

HarlemCoug

6/9/19 9:39am

Um, you can't come up with a system based on a set number. It has to be about

Lip Gallagher

6/9/19 10:59am

It’d take years of 5% before it would be a problem. Then revisit the policy.

bluecougar1985

6/9/19 12:58pm

You are exactly right. The teachers organization won’t allow districts to do

bluecougar1985

6/9/19 9:30am

There's really only three ways to immediately can a teacher: 1. screw with kids

Don_Juan_El_Guapo

6/9/19 9:37am

Aren’t teachers evaluated annually on the academic progress of their students?

Bullrider

6/9/19 3:24pm

Is it teachers that should be bagged on in this case, or admins?

TheWanderer

6/9/19 10:00am

This is true..but it's the unions who created the process to fire a teacher

Don_Juan_El_Guapo

6/9/19 10:04am

That is a good point. Unions do have excessive force.

TheWanderer

6/9/19 10:08am

I could tell you SO many stories about bad teachers being protected by a

Don_Juan_El_Guapo

6/9/19 10:12am

2 years ago in NY - more teachers were convicted (that's not accused... it's convicted) of a sex crime against

HarlemCoug

6/9/19 10:37am

By necessity shouldn't the number of convicted sex offenders <= fired?

TheWanderer

6/9/19 1:56pm

that's my point. It should be the other way. But they allow convicted criminals to stay on the payroll until the

HarlemCoug

6/9/19 2:52pm

I see. Wow.

TheWanderer

6/9/19 3:56pm

Education is not the only professional where bad employees stay employed

84 Grad

6/9/19 2:16pm

My only complaint is assignments that make a whole household angry.

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