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Feb 27, 2017
9:39:11am

Jeff Spicoli All-American

lot of the fun out of being a Scoutmaster.

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Jeff Spicoli

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Author

Time

Struggling with Scouting

CougarinOZ

2/27/17 9:08am

Once a month camp out is excessive.

IGlowInTheDark

2/27/17 9:10am

Tough to get the 20 campouts in before the scouts get into high school if you

Fdnman

2/27/17 9:12am

Hold some in someone's backyard. Seriously. The leaders can all go home to sleep

jholling

2/27/17 9:16am

As a former district commissioner my $0.02 is 80% of the issue is the lack of

Nat Gas Man

2/27/17 9:42am

However it's done, monthly is excessive.

IGlowInTheDark

2/27/17 10:22am

traingings, campouts, high adventures, all day Philmont.

smokymountainrain

2/27/17 9:10am

As a member of the Bishopric, I would appreciate it if a leader came and

Fdnman

2/27/17 9:11am

okay, so not really trying to be mean here, but your promptings as it relates

smokymountainrain

2/27/17 9:18am

Can you clarify? Are you saying OP's promptings don't matter or a Counselor's?

Tokolosh

2/27/17 9:21am

the person i was replying to - the counselor.

smokymountainrain

2/27/17 9:28am

As the COR, it is actually my responsibility. But thanks for playing.

Fdnman

2/27/17 9:22am

it is your responibility to communicate with the bishop, so he can make

smokymountainrain

2/27/17 9:29am

Ultimately the Bishop does have final say but he can also delegate authority

Tokolosh

2/27/17 9:35am

of course counselors receive and act on promptings. we all do. but as it

smokymountainrain

2/27/17 9:40am

He actually can have that stewardship if it has been given to him.

Tokolosh

2/27/17 9:50am

Both he and we know he is nitpicking over nothing for whatever reason...

Fdnman

2/27/17 9:54am

He didn't say he would tell him no

Sea Chicken

2/27/17 9:52am

no message

OneUpper

2/27/17 9:23am

I think he was referring to me saying I was a counselor and not the Bishop

Fdnman

2/27/17 9:24am

Ah. Yes. I misunderstood then.

OneUpper

2/27/17 9:24am

say no

Cougarealist

2/27/17 9:12am

My biggest hang up these days is the nickel and dime cost of everything

Tokolosh

2/27/17 9:12am

it has always been that way, today it is just $10 here and $50 there

Nat Gas Man

2/27/17 9:20am

I still think this is the biggest reason the church will drop scouting

mudpupper

2/27/17 9:22am

Since when has ward budgeting ever been fair? Take a look at the RS vs EQ

supertux

2/27/17 9:27am

amen, the RS to EQ and HP budget in our ward is 10:1

sTcCoug

2/27/17 9:49am

R.S. = half the ward budget... EQ and HP... $0. I never quite understood the

Fdnman

2/27/17 9:50am

What I don't like is the YM budget is much larger and the individual costs are

mudpupper

2/27/17 10:06am

More often in the wards I have been in, the budgets are the same and the

Fdnman

2/27/17 10:10am

The budgets may look the same, but not after you factor in chartering costs

fredgarvin

2/27/17 11:37am

1--Can you take any of your kids with you? I took my young sons with me

Skeeziks

2/27/17 9:13am

I think if he already feels inadequate, it's not going to help to have one of

supertux

2/27/17 9:16am

Plus it is against church rules to bring your non-scout age kids.

mudpupper

2/27/17 9:24am

It is??? Oops...

Skeeziks

2/27/17 9:25am

I swear I've seen that in a handbook or somewhere before.

mudpupper

2/27/17 9:26am

Are you the scoutmaster or in another position? Do you have two additional dependable adult leaders (or Dads)?

kccougar

2/27/17 9:14am

Get out. Nothing to be ashamed of. Lots of guys (like me) really love Scouting

PGVikingDad

2/27/17 9:16am

To me, this is one of the biggest issues with the scout program in the church

marticorp

2/27/17 12:45pm

You should let the Bishopric know

8-track

2/27/17 9:17am

I don't do scouting anymore....have no use for it and it probably reflected on

Nat Gas Man

2/27/17 9:19am

IMO, there's rarely a good reason to get home from a campout later than 1pm

garyfan

2/27/17 9:20am

We usually get home in the morning but I still have a few hours of clean up

mudpupper

2/27/17 9:26am

My advice......

mudpupper

2/27/17 9:21am

The kids are more important than the program

Remigius

2/27/17 9:26am

Where you are in life makes a huge difference

korihor

2/27/17 9:32am

Thank you

CougarinOZ

2/27/17 9:37am

I think the short answer in your case is "no" you don't need to have that desire

supertux

2/27/17 9:42am

Don't compare yourself to the uber scouts in the ward.

mudpupper

2/27/17 10:12am

Appreciate your willingness to serve. I would have been glad for my boys

Agaricus

2/27/17 10:25am

All of the red tape, training, bureaucracy, and indifferent parents take a

Jeff Spicoli

2/27/17 9:39am

Yea, let the bishopric know your concerns - if you've been in the calling

OGSuperfan

2/27/17 9:43am

I just got called to Scout Exec COmmittee.

Cougarclaw

2/27/17 9:45am

I'm a recently called Scout Committee Chair....

beatnik

2/27/17 9:54am

That seriously need to go away

Nat Gas Man

2/27/17 9:54am

Man, this thread has been therapy for me. Just got realeased from EYO SL and

BlooGeek

2/27/17 12:16pm

EYO Leader is a critical position. If the boys don't get close to First Class by

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