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Jul 18, 2018
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Scratch
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Who knows. It’s hard to know for sure, especially when BYU reports like $10M in
“tuition allocation” and like $17M in revenue from women’s sports. Without clarity on those issues it’s hard to really know.
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What resources does Utah have that BYU doesn't?
GOR
7/18/18 10:41pm
P5 conference
Fatalplacebo
7/18/18 10:41pm
The trump card.
Gerald-DeGroot
7/18/18 11:50pm
Playing ucla, arizona schools and usc on tv annually creates better exposure.
cdr88
7/19/18 12:47pm
What TV? - the PAC 12 Network. BYU Football has way more "national" TV exposure
Rob of NV
7/19/18 3:48pm
You're hilarious.
displacedute
7/19/18 3:58pm
I wouldn't doubt it
SUAVO
7/19/18 5:07pm
You wouldn't doubt that he's hilarious?
displacedute
7/19/18 5:16pm
RE: You wouldn't doubt that he's hilarious?
SUAVO
7/19/18 5:23pm
RE: You wouldn't doubt that he's hilarious?
displacedute
7/19/18 5:25pm
Then there's money, money, and money.
stevebyu8
7/20/18 9:18am
P5 = resources AND perception
Benfica1
7/19/18 12:49pm
And 99% of 4/5 Star recruits. It really is upper and lower FBS.
blackshirts
7/19/18 8:51pm
Included with recruiting and perception, but yes.
Benfica1
7/20/18 8:29am
Low standards
Gustav
7/18/18 10:42pm
You have that backwards, BYU actually has lower standards and allows academic
DoseOfReality
7/19/18 10:10am
wrong
GOR
7/19/18 11:22am
He is correct. BYU can, and does, take non qualifiers.
Muted
7/19/18 11:52am
Wasn’t this discussed and shown to be false a few weeks back?
BYUtka
7/19/18 12:57pm
Absolutely not true period.
jkccoug
7/19/18 1:59pm
Dayan Lake.
displacedute
7/19/18 2:02pm
proof? link?
jkccoug
7/19/18 2:14pm
RE: proof? link?
displacedute
7/19/18 2:17pm
RE: proof? link?
Scratch
7/19/18 2:22pm
FAKE NEWS! THE TRIB HATES BYU!
displacedute
7/19/18 2:23pm
You see, the way it works is that the coaching staff gets one exception every
Scratch
7/19/18 2:33pm
Of course secretary doesn't count.
displacedute
7/19/18 2:36pm
yes but they don't take unlimited numbers because then it would affect their...
icecougar
7/19/18 5:38pm
RE: yes but they don't take unlimited numbers because then it would affect
displacedute
7/19/18 5:40pm
supports my point. It's a 5 yr analysis and at BYU we're heavily affected by...
icecougar
7/19/18 5:46pm
No it doesn't.
displacedute
7/19/18 5:48pm
...players not graduating within a certain time frame...
icecougar
7/19/18 6:37pm
See below. You get an extension for missions. If that didn't exist then BYU
Scratch
7/19/18 6:46pm
The players who go on missions get extra time. Missions don't impact APR rates.
Scratch
7/19/18 5:48pm
Link?
icecougar
7/19/18 6:38pm
Right here. Search for "religious."
Scratch
7/19/18 6:45pm
Same for military service.
Everyman
7/19/18 8:25pm
btw, I noticed an awful lot of Pac12 schools in the bottom half of the list
icecougar
7/19/18 6:41pm
Not Utah though.
displacedute
7/19/18 7:42pm
Because the coaching staff is paying "tutors." Directly. Duh. Probably also
Scratch
7/19/18 8:15pm
Nah, us Utes is too dumb to be tutors.
displacedute
7/19/18 8:32pm
Lol. The irony of that boardname
SUAVO
7/19/18 11:54am
Naked females in the end zone
IceBlueCoug
7/18/18 10:42pm
That's the number 1 differentiator. Don't forget number 2.
Crazy Joe Davola
7/19/18 3:35am
There isn't a significant financial difference between the 2. Utah has a ton of overhead that BYU does not.
mulletino
7/18/18 10:51pm
confused by this, can expand on the overhead they have that we don't?
ColumbusCoug
7/18/18 10:52pm
BYU has zero debt service, for one.
mulletino
7/18/18 10:53pm
do we know what Utah's is? Because if they have a few million $'s a year in
ColumbusCoug
7/18/18 10:55pm
Right. Long term guaranteed contracts are part of that. Krystco is wayyyyyy overpaid.
mulletino
7/18/18 11:10pm
According to the state audit it’s $4.65M/yr.
Everyman
7/19/18 7:05am
So just between that and excess paid to KWhitt and Krystco, they spend $7-9MM per year.
mulletino
7/19/18 9:38am
That's what I'm getting at. People keep saying Utah has more resources.
GOR
7/18/18 10:53pm
P5 is a big advantage right now. BYU has zero money problems.
mulletino
7/18/18 11:22pm
If BYU has zero money problems, why won't it hire experienced coaches?
argus
7/19/18 1:02am
Seriously, the O only has 3 supporting coaches who have been OCs before and
Pretorian
7/19/18 5:31am
Because the decision makers feel the "heavenly" responsibility of being good
TheLoneCougar
7/19/18 7:17am
Utah probably just chooses to allocate more funds to football than BYU does
Turnpike Lane
7/18/18 10:53pm
Ok which has provided them what that BYU doesn't have?
GOR
7/18/18 10:54pm
See my post below, sorry, meant to respond to your post here.
Scratch
7/18/18 11:07pm
Does BYU have stuff like this? . . .
Shalmeno
7/19/18 1:24pm
Where do they do the mock baptisms?
icecougar
7/19/18 5:32pm
Idk do we? Maybe not a barber shop.
GOR
7/19/18 9:39pm
Utah's facilities are significantly better now. Utah has sunk a lot of money
Scratch
7/18/18 11:06pm
This is completely hearsay and you know it.
Bostonblue
7/18/18 11:14pm
What part is hearsay?
Scratch
7/18/18 11:17pm
The whole thing. You heard it from some online buddy
Bostonblue
7/19/18 9:01am
Umm. I actually believe it. Extra money to pay for good strength and
Fatalplacebo
7/18/18 11:19pm
Actually it's true.
Kalani4Prez
7/19/18 8:06am
Sources from both schools and details please?
Bostonblue
7/19/18 9:01am
Soon as Utah started cashing $25mil checks, they dumped money into facilities
BrotherBrighamsBeard
7/19/18 9:14am
That’s just an article about Utah’s finances. Says
Bostonblue
7/19/18 9:17am
Do you have proof of the contrary?
BrotherBrighamsBeard
7/19/18 9:41am
that's kind of the whole point of my post. people are just guessing because
Bostonblue
7/19/18 9:57am
And spend way more. And people have seen both schools’ facilities. And have read
Scratch
7/19/18 10:08am
I’ve seen the facilities and the human waste left in the
Bostonblue
7/19/18 12:30pm
Hate to break it to you....
CoachSpeak
7/18/18 11:54pm
Thanks for the firsthand account
Carlos E. Queso
7/19/18 12:01am
I can’t speak to the non-football stuff, but as for football I’ve seen both and
Scratch
7/19/18 12:03am
So Utah spent more so it must be nicer?
Cougar TD
7/19/18 12:26am
No. But it is newer. And I like to think that there is probably some
Scratch
7/19/18 12:31am
Or, BYU bought low in a slow construction market and Utah paid through the nose
kccougar
7/19/18 12:57am
Certainly a factor. But I doubt it was 3.5 times more expensive. And even if you
Scratch
7/19/18 1:22am
Here’s the actual increase in construction costs for that period.
Scratch
7/19/18 1:35am
lol.
kccougar
7/19/18 1:39am
You got me there. By the way, appropriate to the original question, I’ve read
Scratch
7/19/18 1:51am
What are the main differences besides cost?
1-Wing RCAF
7/19/18 3:11am
Dude just go walk into them, it's obvious BYU has the better facility....
CoachSpeak
7/19/18 9:31am
I’ve been in both. The indoor fields themselves are comparable I thought,
Scratch
7/19/18 9:50am
The indoor facilities are not comparable....
CoachSpeak
7/19/18 11:01am
Sorry but your information on the IPF at Utah is wrong.
Poppinga victory
7/19/18 9:05am
All you have to do is walk into both indoor facilities and it is....
CoachSpeak
7/19/18 9:18am
Utah's indoor facility always smells like pee... and its an 'arms race'
TheLost
7/19/18 10:14am
The nice thing is that AF and Herriman play each other this year....
CoachSpeak
7/19/18 11:37am
When was your tour? Its hard to NOT be impressed by Utahs football facility's
TheLost
7/19/18 7:33am
Multiple times with the most recent being in the last 6 weeks....
CoachSpeak
7/19/18 9:36am
Very level-headed post. I will only disagree on one point, Utah's hoops
UNHuskerCoug
7/19/18 7:54am
As a Utah taxpayer, this frustrates me. They still collect massive amounts of
BYUtka
7/19/18 6:57am
There is zero taxpayer money that goes to the U AD. Google the audits, they all
Scratch
7/19/18 7:16am
I am talking about the school as a whole, not the AD. If the AD is getting more
BYUtka
7/19/18 7:58am
Got it, thanks, sorry I misunderstood your point.
Scratch
7/19/18 8:11am
They should be spending close to what USU spends. Anything more should go back
BYUtka
7/19/18 9:26am
If Utah were spending what USU spends they wouldn’t be in the P12 and wouldn’t
Scratch
7/19/18 9:54am
Not seeing the downside here.
BYUtka
7/19/18 10:01am
The fact that you truly believe this is funny. It is not Zero. And they are just playing a shell game.
slatecoug
7/19/18 8:15am
Here's the actual audit. No direct state or other governmental support. The
Scratch
7/19/18 8:39am
The google audit I read said UofU athletics are subsidized 15%.
Bullrider
7/19/18 12:41pm
See all the posts in this thread. That’s not actual money going to the departmen
Scratch
7/19/18 12:55pm
That sure sounds like a subsidy to me. But I am just an old rancher, I may not
Bullrider
7/19/18 2:08pm
To a certain extent it's all semantics. Basically what it comes down to is the
Scratch
7/19/18 2:19pm
Thanks for the explanation. How do you know this information? When you
Bullrider
7/19/18 4:51pm
A lot of it is explained in the actual audits themselves. That's the best place
Scratch
7/19/18 4:58pm
Then why does the university report that subsidy as...
CoachSpeak
7/19/18 6:43pm
Depends on how it's defined. Different institutions account differently. And
Scratch
7/19/18 6:47pm
BYU doesn’t have 27 mil in subsidies...
CoachSpeak
7/19/18 7:10pm
*sigh* You really don’t know what you’re talking about. BYU reports like 10 or
Scratch
7/19/18 7:19pm
Sigh all you want but you’re wrong...I can’t force you to read the doe reports..
CoachSpeak
7/19/18 7:45pm
I've read them. I know what they say. About $10M in subsidies and they shed
Scratch
7/19/18 7:57pm
Yep....looked at both....
CoachSpeak
7/19/18 8:49pm
Here are a couple of sources showing the main subsidy for BYU.
Scratch
7/19/18 9:20pm
Donations...
TheLost
7/19/18 7:39am
About half was donated.
Scratch
7/19/18 8:13am
RE: As a Utah taxpayer, this frustrates me. They still collect massive amounts
displacedute
7/19/18 11:11am
Nah
shakarocks
7/19/18 7:15am
Street dealers and students who cheat for them
Y4LYFE
7/18/18 11:03pm
Recruiting base is massive for Utah compared to BYU
Game Changer
7/18/18 11:03pm
A good coach. A coaching pool that's not prohibitively exclusive.
Juncker
7/18/18 11:08pm
How does BYU have less support from the church?
GOR
7/18/18 11:23pm
They take money from sports and spread it around where they could use
Juncker
7/19/18 1:34am
Who knows. It’s hard to know for sure, especially when BYU reports like $10M in
Scratch
7/18/18 11:26pm
All the money in the world wouldn't allow BYU to recruit the kids Utah recruits
OpusX
7/18/18 11:27pm
You can buy a lot of things with $$.
argus
7/19/18 12:58am
A "fixer" down at the police department. I would love to compare statistics on
Rocketman
7/19/18 3:02am
They also have the major newspaper in its pocket
Carlos E. Queso
7/19/18 3:35am
No question about that. The SL Trib has an agenda and is the definition of
Rocketman
7/19/18 6:40am
RE: No question about that. The SL Trib has an agenda and is the definition of
displacedute
7/19/18 9:35am
RE: They also have the major newspaper in its pocket
displacedute
7/19/18 9:31am
Says the school owned by the same group as the Deseret News
lilpenny
7/19/18 9:35am
I haven't seen Dick Harmon trying to "expose" the utes for anything....
CoachSpeak
7/19/18 11:41am
Des News doesn't do gotcha journalism
Carlos E. Queso
7/19/18 3:14pm
Wow, what a despicable post, accusing people of committing crimes and covering
Scratch
7/19/18 7:24am
You are easily the most chronically fixated BYU hater on this board
Carlos E. Queso
7/19/18 3:15pm
Not a BYU hater at all. If you looked at my past posts you'd see that I'm
Scratch
7/19/18 3:24pm
I feel like he's been fairly reasonable
GOR
7/19/18 9:41pm
Before you call out individuals by name and sling mud on them, how about telling
Rocketman
7/19/18 7:28pm
So your working theory is that the DesNews and KSL are covering for the Utes?
Scratch
7/19/18 8:14pm
Don't take the bait
Tj_utefan
7/19/18 8:42pm
No, I don't believe that there were players involved in the shooting (just
Rocketman
7/19/18 9:21pm
RE: Before you call out individuals by name and sling mud on them, how about
displacedute
7/19/18 8:50pm
RE: A "fixer" down at the police department. I would love to compare statistics
displacedute
7/19/18 9:30am
You're a troll right?
Tj_utefan
7/19/18 4:12pm
Donor trolls are rare.
displacedute
7/19/18 4:17pm
So a yewt on a byu fan site is concerned about byu fans on their own site
Carlos E. Queso
7/19/18 5:26pm
Shocker
Tj_utefan
7/19/18 5:33pm
I am still curious why, if the school started pulling in more money, the taxes
BYUtka
7/19/18 6:51am
The U gets no taxes or a tax funded draw. The audits all show this,
Scratch
7/19/18 7:31am
So the University as a whole gets $0 from the state? Not the AD, the University.
BYUtka
7/19/18 7:59am
The university's audited financial statement
wcj99
7/19/18 9:05am
And.. it could be lowered. A small waste of taxes is still a waste.
BYUtka
7/19/18 10:02am
So how do you feel about BYU giving $10M in “tuition allocation” to the athletic
Scratch
7/19/18 10:13am
Private University, so no comparison. If I am unhappy with their use, I don't
BYUtka
7/19/18 10:39am
I feel pretty comfortable with the return on Utah's spending, both in terms of
Scratch
7/19/18 10:48am
Yeah, I don't think those are worth the investment. It is a clear waste of money
BYUtka
7/19/18 10:54am
So what do you think would happen if Utah cut it's budget to $34M (same as USU)?
Scratch
7/19/18 10:57am
They wouldn't be able to waste money like they do. They would have to budget
BYUtka
7/19/18 11:10am
And what impact would that have?
Scratch
7/19/18 11:12am
A positive one for the State of Utah and Utah tax payers.
BYUtka
7/19/18 11:18am
Utah's spending is on par with a typical P5 program
shakarocks
7/19/18 11:00am
Yep, actually on the low end. Per USA Today, of the 52 P5 schools they have
Scratch
7/19/18 11:04am
So they could spend less.
BYUtka
7/19/18 11:13am
Irrelevant. They are a public State University. They should be accountable to
BYUtka
7/19/18 11:08am
They don't raise it because it wouldn't have the same benefit for USU or SUU
Scratch
7/19/18 11:16am
No, I want to reduce the state spending. You said there was a benefit.
BYUtka
7/19/18 11:45am
Your “idea” will increase state spending.
Scratch
7/19/18 12:57pm
No. Your silly twist of my idea would. I want to reduce spending.
BYUtka
7/19/18 1:00pm
And since the state legislature keeps giving the university the funding, they
wcj99
7/19/18 11:19am
Yes, because the state legislature always makes the best decisions...
BYUtka
7/19/18 11:21am
They happen to be the people that we the voters have given the authority to make
wcj99
7/19/18 11:43am
History is full of politicians making wrong choices. Over funding the UofU is
BYUtka
7/19/18 12:59pm
You just don't get it. the state of Virginia should spend the same amount of
Scratch
7/19/18 11:32am
Are they both D-1?
BYUtka
7/19/18 11:36am
I thought you were just talking about secondary education spending in general.
Scratch
7/19/18 12:01pm
Sounds good. But really the state shouldn't get all caught up in private sub-cla
BYUtka
7/19/18 12:15pm
What the state of Utah does has zero impact on what P5 schools do with regard to
Scratch
7/19/18 12:19pm
Yes, it would be good for the State if all D-1 schools in the state were "P5"
BYUtka
7/19/18 12:33pm
That's fine but those who matter disagree with you
shakarocks
7/19/18 11:24am
There are some members of the Church who do argue that.
BYUtka
7/19/18 11:30am
I would be fine with that
shakarocks
7/19/18 12:08pm
Lots of talk on how the UofU wastes money.
UNHuskerCoug
7/19/18 10:57pm
actually that is not correct....
CoachSpeak
7/19/18 11:50am
I explained this. No actual money goes to the AD. The closest you can come
Scratch
7/19/18 12:04pm
RE: I am still curious why, if the school started pulling in more money, the
displacedute
7/19/18 11:13am
One thing I do believe is that if Utah is going to pay cup cakes in out of
dforth79
7/19/18 11:52am
I agree 100% with that. If those schools will take the same deals that similar
Scratch
7/19/18 12:06pm
I don't have a problem with that.
wcj99
7/19/18 12:14pm
I don't have any issue with them scheduling that way for football....
CoachSpeak
7/19/18 12:27pm
True 'P5 conference' programs have more to offer recruits...
TheLost
7/19/18 8:02am
I thought all D-1 could do this now. G5 schools just don't usually have the
BYUtka
7/19/18 8:05am
Depends on the conference..
TheLost
7/19/18 8:14am
Non-P5 schools can enact measures adopted by the
Everyman
7/19/18 8:24am
BYU has an honor code office. Can we send it over to Utah?
mudpupper
7/19/18 8:11am
Money is not the issue. It's being in the club. P5 inclusion IS the advantage
fulano
7/19/18 8:25am
Utah's "poop anywhere" policy is very attractive to some #westconcourse
Roko's Basilisk
7/19/18 10:34am
a
Powerbait DPM studnt
7/19/18 10:46am
overrated conference to help with the ratings when they win and it doesn't hurt
Powerbait DPM studnt
7/19/18 10:46am
Money, recruiting, conference....win, win, win.....7-0
Bonoman
7/19/18 12:47pm
Willingness to invest in coaches
Tj_utefan
7/19/18 2:22pm
Uh, lots of fertilizer from the west concourse of RES.
CougarThug
7/19/18 4:30pm
Pac12 Network
icecougar
7/19/18 5:28pm
Pac-12 Network isn't that great...
TheLost
7/19/18 6:02pm
TIC
icecougar
7/19/18 6:39pm
A network that makes a lot less than hoped for, reaches a lot less than
SUAVO
7/19/18 6:11pm
Worthwhile reading this thread just for Scratch responses
kiyoshige
7/19/18 7:32pm
"Tutors" paid to do the homework and write papers for players
icecougar
7/19/18 7:32pm
RE: "Tutors" paid to do the homework and write papers for players
displacedute
7/19/18 8:30pm
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