History is full of politicians making wrong choices. Over funding the UofU is

P5 conference

Fatalplacebo

7/18/18 10:41pm

The trump card.

Gerald-DeGroot

7/18/18 11:50pm

Playing ucla, arizona schools and usc on tv annually creates better exposure.

cdr88

7/19/18 12:47pm

What TV? - the PAC 12 Network. BYU Football has way more "national" TV exposure

Rob of NV

7/19/18 3:48pm

You're hilarious.

displacedute

7/19/18 3:58pm

I wouldn't doubt it

SUAVO

7/19/18 5:07pm

You wouldn't doubt that he's hilarious?

displacedute

7/19/18 5:16pm

RE: You wouldn't doubt that he's hilarious?

SUAVO

7/19/18 5:23pm

RE: You wouldn't doubt that he's hilarious?

displacedute

7/19/18 5:25pm

Then there's money, money, and money.

stevebyu8

7/20/18 9:18am

P5 = resources AND perception

Benfica1

7/19/18 12:49pm

And 99% of 4/5 Star recruits. It really is upper and lower FBS.

blackshirts

7/19/18 8:51pm

Included with recruiting and perception, but yes.

Benfica1

7/20/18 8:29am

Low standards

Gustav

7/18/18 10:42pm

You have that backwards, BYU actually has lower standards and allows academic

DoseOfReality

7/19/18 10:10am

wrong

GOR

7/19/18 11:22am

He is correct. BYU can, and does, take non qualifiers.

Muted

7/19/18 11:52am

Wasn’t this discussed and shown to be false a few weeks back?

BYUtka

7/19/18 12:57pm

Absolutely not true period.

jkccoug

7/19/18 1:59pm

Dayan Lake.

displacedute

7/19/18 2:02pm

proof? link?

jkccoug

7/19/18 2:14pm

RE: proof? link?

displacedute

7/19/18 2:17pm

RE: proof? link?

Scratch

7/19/18 2:22pm

FAKE NEWS! THE TRIB HATES BYU!

displacedute

7/19/18 2:23pm

You see, the way it works is that the coaching staff gets one exception every

Scratch

7/19/18 2:33pm

Of course secretary doesn't count.

displacedute

7/19/18 2:36pm

yes but they don't take unlimited numbers because then it would affect their...

icecougar

7/19/18 5:38pm

RE: yes but they don't take unlimited numbers because then it would affect

displacedute

7/19/18 5:40pm

supports my point. It's a 5 yr analysis and at BYU we're heavily affected by...

icecougar

7/19/18 5:46pm

No it doesn't.

displacedute

7/19/18 5:48pm

...players not graduating within a certain time frame...

icecougar

7/19/18 6:37pm

See below. You get an extension for missions. If that didn't exist then BYU

Scratch

7/19/18 6:46pm

The players who go on missions get extra time. Missions don't impact APR rates.

Scratch

7/19/18 5:48pm

Link?

icecougar

7/19/18 6:38pm

Right here. Search for "religious."

Scratch

7/19/18 6:45pm

Same for military service.

Everyman

7/19/18 8:25pm

btw, I noticed an awful lot of Pac12 schools in the bottom half of the list

icecougar

7/19/18 6:41pm

Not Utah though.

displacedute

7/19/18 7:42pm

Because the coaching staff is paying "tutors." Directly. Duh. Probably also

Scratch

7/19/18 8:15pm

Nah, us Utes is too dumb to be tutors.

displacedute

7/19/18 8:32pm

Lol. The irony of that boardname

SUAVO

7/19/18 11:54am

Naked females in the end zone

IceBlueCoug

7/18/18 10:42pm

That's the number 1 differentiator. Don't forget number 2.

Crazy Joe Davola

7/19/18 3:35am

There isn't a significant financial difference between the 2. Utah has a ton of overhead that BYU does not.

mulletino

7/18/18 10:51pm

confused by this, can expand on the overhead they have that we don't?

ColumbusCoug

7/18/18 10:52pm

BYU has zero debt service, for one.

mulletino

7/18/18 10:53pm

do we know what Utah's is? Because if they have a few million $'s a year in

ColumbusCoug

7/18/18 10:55pm

Right. Long term guaranteed contracts are part of that. Krystco is wayyyyyy overpaid.

mulletino

7/18/18 11:10pm

According to the state audit it’s $4.65M/yr.

Everyman

7/19/18 7:05am

So just between that and excess paid to KWhitt and Krystco, they spend $7-9MM per year.

mulletino

7/19/18 9:38am

That's what I'm getting at. People keep saying Utah has more resources.

GOR

7/18/18 10:53pm

P5 is a big advantage right now. BYU has zero money problems.

mulletino

7/18/18 11:22pm

If BYU has zero money problems, why won't it hire experienced coaches?

argus

7/19/18 1:02am

Seriously, the O only has 3 supporting coaches who have been OCs before and

Pretorian

7/19/18 5:31am

Because the decision makers feel the "heavenly" responsibility of being good

TheLoneCougar

7/19/18 7:17am

Utah probably just chooses to allocate more funds to football than BYU does

Turnpike Lane

7/18/18 10:53pm

Ok which has provided them what that BYU doesn't have?

GOR

7/18/18 10:54pm

See my post below, sorry, meant to respond to your post here.

Scratch

7/18/18 11:07pm

Does BYU have stuff like this? . . .

Shalmeno

7/19/18 1:24pm

Where do they do the mock baptisms?

icecougar

7/19/18 5:32pm

Idk do we? Maybe not a barber shop.

GOR

7/19/18 9:39pm

Utah's facilities are significantly better now. Utah has sunk a lot of money

Scratch

7/18/18 11:06pm

This is completely hearsay and you know it.

Bostonblue

7/18/18 11:14pm

What part is hearsay?

Scratch

7/18/18 11:17pm

The whole thing. You heard it from some online buddy

Bostonblue

7/19/18 9:01am

Umm. I actually believe it. Extra money to pay for good strength and

Fatalplacebo

7/18/18 11:19pm

Actually it's true.

Kalani4Prez

7/19/18 8:06am

Sources from both schools and details please?

Bostonblue

7/19/18 9:01am

Soon as Utah started cashing $25mil checks, they dumped money into facilities

BrotherBrighamsBeard

7/19/18 9:14am

That’s just an article about Utah’s finances. Says

Bostonblue

7/19/18 9:17am

Do you have proof of the contrary?

BrotherBrighamsBeard

7/19/18 9:41am

that's kind of the whole point of my post. people are just guessing because

Bostonblue

7/19/18 9:57am

And spend way more. And people have seen both schools’ facilities. And have read

Scratch

7/19/18 10:08am

I’ve seen the facilities and the human waste left in the

Bostonblue

7/19/18 12:30pm

Hate to break it to you....

CoachSpeak

7/18/18 11:54pm

Thanks for the firsthand account

Carlos E. Queso

7/19/18 12:01am

I can’t speak to the non-football stuff, but as for football I’ve seen both and

Scratch

7/19/18 12:03am

So Utah spent more so it must be nicer?

Cougar TD

7/19/18 12:26am

No. But it is newer. And I like to think that there is probably some

Scratch

7/19/18 12:31am

Or, BYU bought low in a slow construction market and Utah paid through the nose

kccougar

7/19/18 12:57am

Certainly a factor. But I doubt it was 3.5 times more expensive. And even if you

Scratch

7/19/18 1:22am

Here’s the actual increase in construction costs for that period.

Scratch

7/19/18 1:35am

lol.

kccougar

7/19/18 1:39am

You got me there. By the way, appropriate to the original question, I’ve read

Scratch

7/19/18 1:51am

What are the main differences besides cost?

1-Wing RCAF

7/19/18 3:11am

Dude just go walk into them, it's obvious BYU has the better facility....

CoachSpeak

7/19/18 9:31am

I’ve been in both. The indoor fields themselves are comparable I thought,

Scratch

7/19/18 9:50am

The indoor facilities are not comparable....

CoachSpeak

7/19/18 11:01am

Sorry but your information on the IPF at Utah is wrong.

Poppinga victory

7/19/18 9:05am

All you have to do is walk into both indoor facilities and it is....

CoachSpeak

7/19/18 9:18am

Utah's indoor facility always smells like pee... and its an 'arms race'

TheLost

7/19/18 10:14am

The nice thing is that AF and Herriman play each other this year....

CoachSpeak

7/19/18 11:37am

When was your tour? Its hard to NOT be impressed by Utahs football facility's

TheLost

7/19/18 7:33am

Multiple times with the most recent being in the last 6 weeks....

CoachSpeak

7/19/18 9:36am

Very level-headed post. I will only disagree on one point, Utah's hoops

UNHuskerCoug

7/19/18 7:54am

As a Utah taxpayer, this frustrates me. They still collect massive amounts of

BYUtka

7/19/18 6:57am

There is zero taxpayer money that goes to the U AD. Google the audits, they all

Scratch

7/19/18 7:16am

I am talking about the school as a whole, not the AD. If the AD is getting more

BYUtka

7/19/18 7:58am

Got it, thanks, sorry I misunderstood your point.

Scratch

7/19/18 8:11am

They should be spending close to what USU spends. Anything more should go back

BYUtka

7/19/18 9:26am

If Utah were spending what USU spends they wouldn’t be in the P12 and wouldn’t

Scratch

7/19/18 9:54am

Not seeing the downside here.

BYUtka

7/19/18 10:01am

The fact that you truly believe this is funny. It is not Zero. And they are just playing a shell game.

slatecoug

7/19/18 8:15am

Here's the actual audit. No direct state or other governmental support. The

Scratch

7/19/18 8:39am

The google audit I read said UofU athletics are subsidized 15%.

Bullrider

7/19/18 12:41pm

See all the posts in this thread. That’s not actual money going to the departmen

Scratch

7/19/18 12:55pm

That sure sounds like a subsidy to me. But I am just an old rancher, I may not

Bullrider

7/19/18 2:08pm

To a certain extent it's all semantics. Basically what it comes down to is the

Scratch

7/19/18 2:19pm

Thanks for the explanation. How do you know this information? When you

Bullrider

7/19/18 4:51pm

A lot of it is explained in the actual audits themselves. That's the best place

Scratch

7/19/18 4:58pm

Then why does the university report that subsidy as...

CoachSpeak

7/19/18 6:43pm

Depends on how it's defined. Different institutions account differently. And

Scratch

7/19/18 6:47pm

BYU doesn’t have 27 mil in subsidies...

CoachSpeak

7/19/18 7:10pm

*sigh* You really don’t know what you’re talking about. BYU reports like 10 or

Scratch

7/19/18 7:19pm

Sigh all you want but you’re wrong...I can’t force you to read the doe reports..

CoachSpeak

7/19/18 7:45pm

I've read them. I know what they say. About $10M in subsidies and they shed

Scratch

7/19/18 7:57pm

Yep....looked at both....

CoachSpeak

7/19/18 8:49pm

Here are a couple of sources showing the main subsidy for BYU.

Scratch

7/19/18 9:20pm

Donations...

TheLost

7/19/18 7:39am

About half was donated.

Scratch

7/19/18 8:13am

RE: As a Utah taxpayer, this frustrates me. They still collect massive amounts

displacedute

7/19/18 11:11am

Nah

shakarocks

7/19/18 7:15am

Street dealers and students who cheat for them

Y4LYFE

7/18/18 11:03pm

Recruiting base is massive for Utah compared to BYU

Game Changer

7/18/18 11:03pm

A good coach. A coaching pool that's not prohibitively exclusive.

Juncker

7/18/18 11:08pm

How does BYU have less support from the church?

GOR

7/18/18 11:23pm

They take money from sports and spread it around where they could use

Juncker

7/19/18 1:34am

Who knows. It’s hard to know for sure, especially when BYU reports like $10M in

Scratch

7/18/18 11:26pm

All the money in the world wouldn't allow BYU to recruit the kids Utah recruits

OpusX

7/18/18 11:27pm

You can buy a lot of things with $$.

argus

7/19/18 12:58am

A "fixer" down at the police department. I would love to compare statistics on

Rocketman

7/19/18 3:02am

They also have the major newspaper in its pocket

Carlos E. Queso

7/19/18 3:35am

No question about that. The SL Trib has an agenda and is the definition of

Rocketman

7/19/18 6:40am

RE: No question about that. The SL Trib has an agenda and is the definition of

displacedute

7/19/18 9:35am

RE: They also have the major newspaper in its pocket

displacedute

7/19/18 9:31am

Says the school owned by the same group as the Deseret News

lilpenny

7/19/18 9:35am

I haven't seen Dick Harmon trying to "expose" the utes for anything....

CoachSpeak

7/19/18 11:41am

Des News doesn't do gotcha journalism

Carlos E. Queso

7/19/18 3:14pm

Wow, what a despicable post, accusing people of committing crimes and covering

Scratch

7/19/18 7:24am

You are easily the most chronically fixated BYU hater on this board

Carlos E. Queso

7/19/18 3:15pm

Not a BYU hater at all. If you looked at my past posts you'd see that I'm

Scratch

7/19/18 3:24pm

I feel like he's been fairly reasonable

GOR

7/19/18 9:41pm

Before you call out individuals by name and sling mud on them, how about telling

Rocketman

7/19/18 7:28pm

So your working theory is that the DesNews and KSL are covering for the Utes?

Scratch

7/19/18 8:14pm

Don't take the bait

Tj_utefan

7/19/18 8:42pm

No, I don't believe that there were players involved in the shooting (just

Rocketman

7/19/18 9:21pm

RE: Before you call out individuals by name and sling mud on them, how about

displacedute

7/19/18 8:50pm

RE: A "fixer" down at the police department. I would love to compare statistics

displacedute

7/19/18 9:30am

You're a troll right?

Tj_utefan

7/19/18 4:12pm

Donor trolls are rare.

displacedute

7/19/18 4:17pm

So a yewt on a byu fan site is concerned about byu fans on their own site

Carlos E. Queso

7/19/18 5:26pm

Shocker

Tj_utefan

7/19/18 5:33pm

I am still curious why, if the school started pulling in more money, the taxes

BYUtka

7/19/18 6:51am

The U gets no taxes or a tax funded draw. The audits all show this,

Scratch

7/19/18 7:31am

So the University as a whole gets $0 from the state? Not the AD, the University.

BYUtka

7/19/18 7:59am

The university's audited financial statement

wcj99

7/19/18 9:05am

And.. it could be lowered. A small waste of taxes is still a waste.

BYUtka

7/19/18 10:02am

So how do you feel about BYU giving $10M in “tuition allocation” to the athletic

Scratch

7/19/18 10:13am

Private University, so no comparison. If I am unhappy with their use, I don't

BYUtka

7/19/18 10:39am

I feel pretty comfortable with the return on Utah's spending, both in terms of

Scratch

7/19/18 10:48am

Yeah, I don't think those are worth the investment. It is a clear waste of money

BYUtka

7/19/18 10:54am

So what do you think would happen if Utah cut it's budget to $34M (same as USU)?

Scratch

7/19/18 10:57am

They wouldn't be able to waste money like they do. They would have to budget

BYUtka

7/19/18 11:10am

And what impact would that have?

Scratch

7/19/18 11:12am

A positive one for the State of Utah and Utah tax payers.

BYUtka

7/19/18 11:18am

Utah's spending is on par with a typical P5 program

shakarocks

7/19/18 11:00am

Yep, actually on the low end. Per USA Today, of the 52 P5 schools they have

Scratch

7/19/18 11:04am

So they could spend less.

BYUtka

7/19/18 11:13am

Irrelevant. They are a public State University. They should be accountable to

BYUtka

7/19/18 11:08am

They don't raise it because it wouldn't have the same benefit for USU or SUU

Scratch

7/19/18 11:16am

No, I want to reduce the state spending. You said there was a benefit.

BYUtka

7/19/18 11:45am

Your “idea” will increase state spending.

Scratch

7/19/18 12:57pm

No. Your silly twist of my idea would. I want to reduce spending.

BYUtka

7/19/18 1:00pm

And since the state legislature keeps giving the university the funding, they

wcj99

7/19/18 11:19am

Yes, because the state legislature always makes the best decisions...

BYUtka

7/19/18 11:21am

They happen to be the people that we the voters have given the authority to make

wcj99

7/19/18 11:43am

History is full of politicians making wrong choices. Over funding the UofU is

BYUtka

7/19/18 12:59pm

You just don't get it. the state of Virginia should spend the same amount of

Scratch

7/19/18 11:32am

Are they both D-1?

BYUtka

7/19/18 11:36am

I thought you were just talking about secondary education spending in general.

Scratch

7/19/18 12:01pm

Sounds good. But really the state shouldn't get all caught up in private sub-cla

BYUtka

7/19/18 12:15pm

What the state of Utah does has zero impact on what P5 schools do with regard to

Scratch

7/19/18 12:19pm

Yes, it would be good for the State if all D-1 schools in the state were "P5"

BYUtka

7/19/18 12:33pm

That's fine but those who matter disagree with you

shakarocks

7/19/18 11:24am

There are some members of the Church who do argue that.

BYUtka

7/19/18 11:30am

I would be fine with that

shakarocks

7/19/18 12:08pm

Lots of talk on how the UofU wastes money.

UNHuskerCoug

7/19/18 10:57pm

actually that is not correct....

CoachSpeak

7/19/18 11:50am

I explained this. No actual money goes to the AD. The closest you can come

Scratch

7/19/18 12:04pm

RE: I am still curious why, if the school started pulling in more money, the

displacedute

7/19/18 11:13am

One thing I do believe is that if Utah is going to pay cup cakes in out of

dforth79

7/19/18 11:52am

I agree 100% with that. If those schools will take the same deals that similar

Scratch

7/19/18 12:06pm

I don't have a problem with that.

wcj99

7/19/18 12:14pm

I don't have any issue with them scheduling that way for football....

CoachSpeak

7/19/18 12:27pm

True 'P5 conference' programs have more to offer recruits...

TheLost

7/19/18 8:02am

I thought all D-1 could do this now. G5 schools just don't usually have the

BYUtka

7/19/18 8:05am

Depends on the conference..

TheLost

7/19/18 8:14am

Non-P5 schools can enact measures adopted by the

Everyman

7/19/18 8:24am

BYU has an honor code office. Can we send it over to Utah?

mudpupper

7/19/18 8:11am

Money is not the issue. It's being in the club. P5 inclusion IS the advantage

fulano

7/19/18 8:25am

Utah's "poop anywhere" policy is very attractive to some #westconcourse

Roko's Basilisk

7/19/18 10:34am

a

Powerbait DPM studnt

7/19/18 10:46am

overrated conference to help with the ratings when they win and it doesn't hurt

Powerbait DPM studnt

7/19/18 10:46am

Money, recruiting, conference....win, win, win.....7-0

Bonoman

7/19/18 12:47pm

Willingness to invest in coaches

Tj_utefan

7/19/18 2:22pm

Uh, lots of fertilizer from the west concourse of RES.

CougarThug

7/19/18 4:30pm

Pac12 Network

icecougar

7/19/18 5:28pm

Pac-12 Network isn't that great...

TheLost

7/19/18 6:02pm

TIC

icecougar

7/19/18 6:39pm

A network that makes a lot less than hoped for, reaches a lot less than

SUAVO

7/19/18 6:11pm

Worthwhile reading this thread just for Scratch responses

kiyoshige

7/19/18 7:32pm

"Tutors" paid to do the homework and write papers for players

icecougar

7/19/18 7:32pm

RE: "Tutors" paid to do the homework and write papers for players

displacedute

7/19/18 8:30pm

Posting on CougarBoard