Then why does the university report that subsidy as...

Jul 19, 2018
6:43:30pm

CoachSpeak All-American

Atketic department revenue? You can go right to their audits, the fed department of education reports, as well as the actual athletic department itself and see that they count that as revenue for the athletic department when they are bragging about how much revenue they now bring in. If you deduct that 10 mil of claimed revenue it actually drops them below BYU in athletic department revenue.

So which is it? Do they get 10 mil in revenue as they claim or don’t they?

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What resources does Utah have that BYU doesn't?

GOR

7/18/18 10:41pm

P5 conference

Fatalplacebo

7/18/18 10:41pm

The trump card.

Gerald-DeGroot

7/18/18 11:50pm

Playing ucla, arizona schools and usc on tv annually creates better exposure.

cdr88

7/19/18 12:47pm

What TV? - the PAC 12 Network. BYU Football has way more "national" TV exposure

Rob of NV

7/19/18 3:48pm

You're hilarious.

displacedute

7/19/18 3:58pm

I wouldn't doubt it

SUAVO

7/19/18 5:07pm

You wouldn't doubt that he's hilarious?

displacedute

7/19/18 5:16pm

RE: You wouldn't doubt that he's hilarious?

SUAVO

7/19/18 5:23pm

RE: You wouldn't doubt that he's hilarious?

displacedute

7/19/18 5:25pm

Then there's money, money, and money.

stevebyu8

7/20/18 9:18am

P5 = resources AND perception

Benfica1

7/19/18 12:49pm

And 99% of 4/5 Star recruits. It really is upper and lower FBS.

blackshirts

7/19/18 8:51pm

Included with recruiting and perception, but yes.

Benfica1

7/20/18 8:29am

Low standards

Gustav

7/18/18 10:42pm

You have that backwards, BYU actually has lower standards and allows academic

DoseOfReality

7/19/18 10:10am

wrong

GOR

7/19/18 11:22am

He is correct. BYU can, and does, take non qualifiers.

Muted

7/19/18 11:52am

Wasn’t this discussed and shown to be false a few weeks back?

BYUtka

7/19/18 12:57pm

Absolutely not true period.

jkccoug

7/19/18 1:59pm

Dayan Lake.

displacedute

7/19/18 2:02pm

proof? link?

jkccoug

7/19/18 2:14pm

RE: proof? link?

displacedute

7/19/18 2:17pm

RE: proof? link?

Scratch

7/19/18 2:22pm

FAKE NEWS! THE TRIB HATES BYU!

displacedute

7/19/18 2:23pm

You see, the way it works is that the coaching staff gets one exception every

Scratch

7/19/18 2:33pm

Of course secretary doesn't count.

displacedute

7/19/18 2:36pm

yes but they don't take unlimited numbers because then it would affect their...

icecougar

7/19/18 5:38pm

RE: yes but they don't take unlimited numbers because then it would affect

displacedute

7/19/18 5:40pm

supports my point. It's a 5 yr analysis and at BYU we're heavily affected by...

icecougar

7/19/18 5:46pm

No it doesn't.

displacedute

7/19/18 5:48pm

...players not graduating within a certain time frame...

icecougar

7/19/18 6:37pm

See below. You get an extension for missions. If that didn't exist then BYU

Scratch

7/19/18 6:46pm

The players who go on missions get extra time. Missions don't impact APR rates.

Scratch

7/19/18 5:48pm

Link?

icecougar

7/19/18 6:38pm

Right here. Search for "religious."

Scratch

7/19/18 6:45pm

Same for military service.

Everyman

7/19/18 8:25pm

btw, I noticed an awful lot of Pac12 schools in the bottom half of the list

icecougar

7/19/18 6:41pm

Not Utah though.

displacedute

7/19/18 7:42pm

Because the coaching staff is paying "tutors." Directly. Duh. Probably also

Scratch

7/19/18 8:15pm

Nah, us Utes is too dumb to be tutors.

displacedute

7/19/18 8:32pm

Lol. The irony of that boardname

SUAVO

7/19/18 11:54am

Naked females in the end zone

IceBlueCoug

7/18/18 10:42pm

That's the number 1 differentiator. Don't forget number 2.

Crazy Joe Davola

7/19/18 3:35am

There isn't a significant financial difference between the 2. Utah has a ton of overhead that BYU does not.

mulletino

7/18/18 10:51pm

confused by this, can expand on the overhead they have that we don't?

ColumbusCoug

7/18/18 10:52pm

BYU has zero debt service, for one.

mulletino

7/18/18 10:53pm

do we know what Utah's is? Because if they have a few million $'s a year in

ColumbusCoug

7/18/18 10:55pm

Right. Long term guaranteed contracts are part of that. Krystco is wayyyyyy overpaid.

mulletino

7/18/18 11:10pm

According to the state audit it’s $4.65M/yr.

Everyman

7/19/18 7:05am

So just between that and excess paid to KWhitt and Krystco, they spend $7-9MM per year.

mulletino

7/19/18 9:38am

That's what I'm getting at. People keep saying Utah has more resources.

GOR

7/18/18 10:53pm

P5 is a big advantage right now. BYU has zero money problems.

mulletino

7/18/18 11:22pm

If BYU has zero money problems, why won't it hire experienced coaches?

argus

7/19/18 1:02am

Seriously, the O only has 3 supporting coaches who have been OCs before and

Pretorian

7/19/18 5:31am

Because the decision makers feel the "heavenly" responsibility of being good

TheLoneCougar

7/19/18 7:17am

Utah probably just chooses to allocate more funds to football than BYU does

Turnpike Lane

7/18/18 10:53pm

Ok which has provided them what that BYU doesn't have?

GOR

7/18/18 10:54pm

See my post below, sorry, meant to respond to your post here.

Scratch

7/18/18 11:07pm

Does BYU have stuff like this? . . .

Shalmeno

7/19/18 1:24pm

Where do they do the mock baptisms?

icecougar

7/19/18 5:32pm

Idk do we? Maybe not a barber shop.

GOR

7/19/18 9:39pm

Utah's facilities are significantly better now. Utah has sunk a lot of money

Scratch

7/18/18 11:06pm

This is completely hearsay and you know it.

Bostonblue

7/18/18 11:14pm

What part is hearsay?

Scratch

7/18/18 11:17pm

The whole thing. You heard it from some online buddy

Bostonblue

7/19/18 9:01am

Umm. I actually believe it. Extra money to pay for good strength and

Fatalplacebo

7/18/18 11:19pm

Actually it's true.

Kalani4Prez

7/19/18 8:06am

Sources from both schools and details please?

Bostonblue

7/19/18 9:01am

Soon as Utah started cashing $25mil checks, they dumped money into facilities

BrotherBrighamsBeard

7/19/18 9:14am

That’s just an article about Utah’s finances. Says

Bostonblue

7/19/18 9:17am

Do you have proof of the contrary?

BrotherBrighamsBeard

7/19/18 9:41am

that's kind of the whole point of my post. people are just guessing because

Bostonblue

7/19/18 9:57am

And spend way more. And people have seen both schools’ facilities. And have read

Scratch

7/19/18 10:08am

I’ve seen the facilities and the human waste left in the

Bostonblue

7/19/18 12:30pm

Hate to break it to you....

CoachSpeak

7/18/18 11:54pm

Thanks for the firsthand account

Carlos E. Queso

7/19/18 12:01am

I can’t speak to the non-football stuff, but as for football I’ve seen both and

Scratch

7/19/18 12:03am

So Utah spent more so it must be nicer?

Cougar TD

7/19/18 12:26am

No. But it is newer. And I like to think that there is probably some

Scratch

7/19/18 12:31am

Or, BYU bought low in a slow construction market and Utah paid through the nose

kccougar

7/19/18 12:57am

Certainly a factor. But I doubt it was 3.5 times more expensive. And even if you

Scratch

7/19/18 1:22am

Here’s the actual increase in construction costs for that period.

Scratch

7/19/18 1:35am

lol.

kccougar

7/19/18 1:39am

You got me there. By the way, appropriate to the original question, I’ve read

Scratch

7/19/18 1:51am

What are the main differences besides cost?

1-Wing RCAF

7/19/18 3:11am

Dude just go walk into them, it's obvious BYU has the better facility....

CoachSpeak

7/19/18 9:31am

I’ve been in both. The indoor fields themselves are comparable I thought,

Scratch

7/19/18 9:50am

The indoor facilities are not comparable....

CoachSpeak

7/19/18 11:01am

Sorry but your information on the IPF at Utah is wrong.

Poppinga victory

7/19/18 9:05am

All you have to do is walk into both indoor facilities and it is....

CoachSpeak

7/19/18 9:18am

Utah's indoor facility always smells like pee... and its an 'arms race'

TheLost

7/19/18 10:14am

The nice thing is that AF and Herriman play each other this year....

CoachSpeak

7/19/18 11:37am

When was your tour? Its hard to NOT be impressed by Utahs football facility's

TheLost

7/19/18 7:33am

Multiple times with the most recent being in the last 6 weeks....

CoachSpeak

7/19/18 9:36am

Very level-headed post. I will only disagree on one point, Utah's hoops

UNHuskerCoug

7/19/18 7:54am

As a Utah taxpayer, this frustrates me. They still collect massive amounts of

BYUtka

7/19/18 6:57am

There is zero taxpayer money that goes to the U AD. Google the audits, they all

Scratch

7/19/18 7:16am

I am talking about the school as a whole, not the AD. If the AD is getting more

BYUtka

7/19/18 7:58am

Got it, thanks, sorry I misunderstood your point.

Scratch

7/19/18 8:11am

They should be spending close to what USU spends. Anything more should go back

BYUtka

7/19/18 9:26am

If Utah were spending what USU spends they wouldn’t be in the P12 and wouldn’t

Scratch

7/19/18 9:54am

Not seeing the downside here.

BYUtka

7/19/18 10:01am

The fact that you truly believe this is funny. It is not Zero. And they are just playing a shell game.

slatecoug

7/19/18 8:15am

Here's the actual audit. No direct state or other governmental support. The

Scratch

7/19/18 8:39am

The google audit I read said UofU athletics are subsidized 15%.

Bullrider

7/19/18 12:41pm

See all the posts in this thread. That’s not actual money going to the departmen

Scratch

7/19/18 12:55pm

That sure sounds like a subsidy to me. But I am just an old rancher, I may not

Bullrider

7/19/18 2:08pm

To a certain extent it's all semantics. Basically what it comes down to is the

Scratch

7/19/18 2:19pm

Thanks for the explanation. How do you know this information? When you

Bullrider

7/19/18 4:51pm

A lot of it is explained in the actual audits themselves. That's the best place

Scratch

7/19/18 4:58pm

Then why does the university report that subsidy as...

CoachSpeak

7/19/18 6:43pm

Depends on how it's defined. Different institutions account differently. And

Scratch

7/19/18 6:47pm

BYU doesn’t have 27 mil in subsidies...

CoachSpeak

7/19/18 7:10pm

*sigh* You really don’t know what you’re talking about. BYU reports like 10 or

Scratch

7/19/18 7:19pm

Sigh all you want but you’re wrong...I can’t force you to read the doe reports..

CoachSpeak

7/19/18 7:45pm

I've read them. I know what they say. About $10M in subsidies and they shed

Scratch

7/19/18 7:57pm

Yep....looked at both....

CoachSpeak

7/19/18 8:49pm

Here are a couple of sources showing the main subsidy for BYU.

Scratch

7/19/18 9:20pm

Donations...

TheLost

7/19/18 7:39am

About half was donated.

Scratch

7/19/18 8:13am

RE: As a Utah taxpayer, this frustrates me. They still collect massive amounts

displacedute

7/19/18 11:11am

Nah

shakarocks

7/19/18 7:15am

Street dealers and students who cheat for them

Y4LYFE

7/18/18 11:03pm

Recruiting base is massive for Utah compared to BYU

Game Changer

7/18/18 11:03pm

A good coach. A coaching pool that's not prohibitively exclusive.

Juncker

7/18/18 11:08pm

How does BYU have less support from the church?

GOR

7/18/18 11:23pm

They take money from sports and spread it around where they could use

Juncker

7/19/18 1:34am

Who knows. It’s hard to know for sure, especially when BYU reports like $10M in

Scratch

7/18/18 11:26pm

All the money in the world wouldn't allow BYU to recruit the kids Utah recruits

OpusX

7/18/18 11:27pm

You can buy a lot of things with $$.

argus

7/19/18 12:58am

A "fixer" down at the police department. I would love to compare statistics on

Rocketman

7/19/18 3:02am

They also have the major newspaper in its pocket

Carlos E. Queso

7/19/18 3:35am

No question about that. The SL Trib has an agenda and is the definition of

Rocketman

7/19/18 6:40am

RE: No question about that. The SL Trib has an agenda and is the definition of

displacedute

7/19/18 9:35am

RE: They also have the major newspaper in its pocket

displacedute

7/19/18 9:31am

Says the school owned by the same group as the Deseret News

lilpenny

7/19/18 9:35am

I haven't seen Dick Harmon trying to "expose" the utes for anything....

CoachSpeak

7/19/18 11:41am

Des News doesn't do gotcha journalism

Carlos E. Queso

7/19/18 3:14pm

Wow, what a despicable post, accusing people of committing crimes and covering

Scratch

7/19/18 7:24am

You are easily the most chronically fixated BYU hater on this board

Carlos E. Queso

7/19/18 3:15pm

Not a BYU hater at all. If you looked at my past posts you'd see that I'm

Scratch

7/19/18 3:24pm

I feel like he's been fairly reasonable

GOR

7/19/18 9:41pm

Before you call out individuals by name and sling mud on them, how about telling

Rocketman

7/19/18 7:28pm

So your working theory is that the DesNews and KSL are covering for the Utes?

Scratch

7/19/18 8:14pm

Don't take the bait

Tj_utefan

7/19/18 8:42pm

No, I don't believe that there were players involved in the shooting (just

Rocketman

7/19/18 9:21pm

RE: Before you call out individuals by name and sling mud on them, how about

displacedute

7/19/18 8:50pm

RE: A "fixer" down at the police department. I would love to compare statistics

displacedute

7/19/18 9:30am

You're a troll right?

Tj_utefan

7/19/18 4:12pm

Donor trolls are rare.

displacedute

7/19/18 4:17pm

So a yewt on a byu fan site is concerned about byu fans on their own site

Carlos E. Queso

7/19/18 5:26pm

Shocker

Tj_utefan

7/19/18 5:33pm

I am still curious why, if the school started pulling in more money, the taxes

BYUtka

7/19/18 6:51am

The U gets no taxes or a tax funded draw. The audits all show this,

Scratch

7/19/18 7:31am

So the University as a whole gets $0 from the state? Not the AD, the University.

BYUtka

7/19/18 7:59am

The university's audited financial statement

wcj99

7/19/18 9:05am

And.. it could be lowered. A small waste of taxes is still a waste.

BYUtka

7/19/18 10:02am

So how do you feel about BYU giving $10M in “tuition allocation” to the athletic

Scratch

7/19/18 10:13am

Private University, so no comparison. If I am unhappy with their use, I don't

BYUtka

7/19/18 10:39am

I feel pretty comfortable with the return on Utah's spending, both in terms of

Scratch

7/19/18 10:48am

Yeah, I don't think those are worth the investment. It is a clear waste of money

BYUtka

7/19/18 10:54am

So what do you think would happen if Utah cut it's budget to $34M (same as USU)?

Scratch

7/19/18 10:57am

They wouldn't be able to waste money like they do. They would have to budget

BYUtka

7/19/18 11:10am

And what impact would that have?

Scratch

7/19/18 11:12am

A positive one for the State of Utah and Utah tax payers.

BYUtka

7/19/18 11:18am

Utah's spending is on par with a typical P5 program

shakarocks

7/19/18 11:00am

Yep, actually on the low end. Per USA Today, of the 52 P5 schools they have

Scratch

7/19/18 11:04am

So they could spend less.

BYUtka

7/19/18 11:13am

Irrelevant. They are a public State University. They should be accountable to

BYUtka

7/19/18 11:08am

They don't raise it because it wouldn't have the same benefit for USU or SUU

Scratch

7/19/18 11:16am

No, I want to reduce the state spending. You said there was a benefit.

BYUtka

7/19/18 11:45am

Your “idea” will increase state spending.

Scratch

7/19/18 12:57pm

No. Your silly twist of my idea would. I want to reduce spending.

BYUtka

7/19/18 1:00pm

And since the state legislature keeps giving the university the funding, they

wcj99

7/19/18 11:19am

Yes, because the state legislature always makes the best decisions...

BYUtka

7/19/18 11:21am

They happen to be the people that we the voters have given the authority to make

wcj99

7/19/18 11:43am

History is full of politicians making wrong choices. Over funding the UofU is

BYUtka

7/19/18 12:59pm

You just don't get it. the state of Virginia should spend the same amount of

Scratch

7/19/18 11:32am

Are they both D-1?

BYUtka

7/19/18 11:36am

I thought you were just talking about secondary education spending in general.

Scratch

7/19/18 12:01pm

Sounds good. But really the state shouldn't get all caught up in private sub-cla

BYUtka

7/19/18 12:15pm

What the state of Utah does has zero impact on what P5 schools do with regard to

Scratch

7/19/18 12:19pm

Yes, it would be good for the State if all D-1 schools in the state were "P5"

BYUtka

7/19/18 12:33pm

That's fine but those who matter disagree with you

shakarocks

7/19/18 11:24am

There are some members of the Church who do argue that.

BYUtka

7/19/18 11:30am

I would be fine with that

shakarocks

7/19/18 12:08pm

Lots of talk on how the UofU wastes money.

UNHuskerCoug

7/19/18 10:57pm

actually that is not correct....

CoachSpeak

7/19/18 11:50am

I explained this. No actual money goes to the AD. The closest you can come

Scratch

7/19/18 12:04pm

RE: I am still curious why, if the school started pulling in more money, the

displacedute

7/19/18 11:13am

One thing I do believe is that if Utah is going to pay cup cakes in out of

dforth79

7/19/18 11:52am

I agree 100% with that. If those schools will take the same deals that similar

Scratch

7/19/18 12:06pm

I don't have a problem with that.

wcj99

7/19/18 12:14pm

I don't have any issue with them scheduling that way for football....

CoachSpeak

7/19/18 12:27pm

True 'P5 conference' programs have more to offer recruits...

TheLost

7/19/18 8:02am

I thought all D-1 could do this now. G5 schools just don't usually have the

BYUtka

7/19/18 8:05am

Depends on the conference..

TheLost

7/19/18 8:14am

Non-P5 schools can enact measures adopted by the

Everyman

7/19/18 8:24am

BYU has an honor code office. Can we send it over to Utah?

mudpupper

7/19/18 8:11am

Money is not the issue. It's being in the club. P5 inclusion IS the advantage

fulano

7/19/18 8:25am

Utah's "poop anywhere" policy is very attractive to some #westconcourse

Roko's Basilisk

7/19/18 10:34am

Powerbait DPM studnt

7/19/18 10:46am

overrated conference to help with the ratings when they win and it doesn't hurt

Powerbait DPM studnt

7/19/18 10:46am

Money, recruiting, conference....win, win, win.....7-0

Bonoman

7/19/18 12:47pm

Willingness to invest in coaches

Tj_utefan

7/19/18 2:22pm

Uh, lots of fertilizer from the west concourse of RES.

CougarThug

7/19/18 4:30pm

Pac12 Network

icecougar

7/19/18 5:28pm

Pac-12 Network isn't that great...

TheLost

7/19/18 6:02pm

TIC

icecougar

7/19/18 6:39pm

A network that makes a lot less than hoped for, reaches a lot less than

SUAVO

7/19/18 6:11pm

Worthwhile reading this thread just for Scratch responses

kiyoshige

7/19/18 7:32pm

"Tutors" paid to do the homework and write papers for players

icecougar

7/19/18 7:32pm

RE: "Tutors" paid to do the homework and write papers for players

displacedute

7/19/18 8:30pm

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