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Mar 3, 2018
12:13:45pm

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BYU is becoming too "elite", and it isn't an elite school. Expand enrollment.

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3.77 unweighted GPA (4.34 weighted), 34 ACT...rejected. We're shocked right now

atlcougar

3/3/18 11:26am

This is why I would like to see BYU expand enrollment, not to lower the

Nat Gas Man

3/3/18 11:29am

Where are we going to build the second campus then?

Jezza

3/4/18 8:50am

There is plenty of room around BYU to expand. Provo High campus for starters.

demon_llama

2/16/19 12:53pm

Seems like he’s got the “stats” to have been accepted

3/3/18 11:32am

You're very kind. And you took a wise approach with your son.

atlcougar

3/3/18 11:40am

My one son at BYU-I is loving it and two of my others probably wished they had

Fdnman

3/3/18 11:48am

There is so much truth to your last sentence. I can name a bunch of

kotacoug

3/3/18 2:35pm

RE: Seems like he’s got the “stats” to have been accepted

timpjynx

3/3/18 11:48am

Yowza. That should be an automatic shoo in, especially with that 34! Something isn't right

LiveCoug

3/3/18 11:32am

Bummer. I had worse stats 17 years ago with zero extra curriculars and got a

3/3/18 11:32am

He's better off at a better school.

slowhiteguy

3/3/18 11:33am

^^^ this

3/3/18 11:33am

Seriously.. I'm sure he'll get a full-ride somewhere

QuikCars

3/3/18 12:05pm

That is surpring/ disappointing based on the stats you gave. Take solace in the

pegushin

3/3/18 11:33am

BYU absolutely needs to expand enrollment. These types of kids and even kids without the same achievements belong in

3/3/18 11:33am

That doesn't make sense.

barnacle

3/3/18 11:33am

It makes sense when you have 1000s of kids just like him applying. They won't

fattycoug

3/3/18 12:49pm

but they don't have thousands of kids just like him applying. his stats are superior.

HarlemCoug

3/3/18 12:59pm

maybe 100s with those numbers

rggee

3/3/18 1:44pm

1000s of them do not have 34s on the act. This is a joke.

tebowned

3/3/18 3:00pm

If he really wants to go to BYU, he’ll get in eventually

3/3/18 11:33am

This sounds like my brother in law

JohnnyComeLately

3/3/18 11:34am

Thanks for that. Great story. I hope he proves to be as resilient as your BIL

atlcougar

3/3/18 4:56pm

I transferred in too after my first year. It all works out

3/3/18 11:31pm

This doesn't make sense.

HarlemCoug

3/3/18 11:35am

Too bad. But he can learn a lot about life with this rejection. More than he could with an acceptance. He’ll be fine.

Mr. Belding

3/3/18 11:35am

That stinks. He is definitely more qualified than many (most?) who are there.

Cougar-Duck

3/3/18 11:36am

I don't buy it

rggee

3/3/18 11:36am

What is it you don't buy? Pray tell.

atlcougar

3/3/18 11:44am

those numbers get just about anyone in. there has to be more to the story

rggee

3/3/18 11:45am

Yes. That's why we're a bit shocked right now. Trying to make sense of this.

atlcougar

3/3/18 12:07pm

Long shot but worth calling on Tuesday to be sure there wasn’t a mistake.

Kevin Arnold

3/3/18 12:26pm

Thanks. We're definitely calling next week. I appreciate the kind words.

atlcougar

3/3/18 1:13pm

I hope you do follow up. I would appeal the decision

byuwahoo

3/3/18 8:46pm

Several years ago my daughter did not get in.

hitechcpa

3/3/18 9:48pm

curious if you feel that BYU was a good fit for her and that she was academically prepared?

HarlemCoug

3/3/18 9:58pm

Yes, it was a bit of a stretch for her, I think anyone. But she's done well.

hitechcpa

3/5/18 3:49pm

That's why I don't tout Byu to my kids, also talk positively about schools

permiso

3/3/18 11:37am

Serve his mission first and then reapply

airwolf

3/3/18 11:38am

This. If he doesn't get in again, then take a full ride at a JC

donnerstag

3/3/18 12:01pm

I know a kid who go admitted while on his mission after

3/3/18 12:29pm

Makes me wonder about his essays and rec letters then.

3/3/18 11:38am

yeah was he so much of a shoo in that he just didn't take time on the essays??

rggee

3/3/18 11:39am

That is the only thing that makes any sense

bluelands

3/3/18 11:58am

He labored over his essays for weeks and he's quite a good writer (as many

atlcougar

3/3/18 12:05pm

RE: He labored over his essays for weeks and he's quite a good writer (as many

andrewth

3/3/18 1:01pm

Makes me wonder if it’s worth it to take easier classes and get a higher GPA

RdF3

3/3/18 11:38am

We did that with my last son due to the crazy tough classes in our school.

Fdnman

3/3/18 11:42am

That's exactly what admissions told us 6 years ago--higher GPA in easier classes

Wolvercougs

3/3/18 11:54am

It is.

dwhitebud

3/3/18 11:56am

that's too bad. I'll never teach my kids to cheat at life that way. If that's

demon_llama

2/16/19 12:58pm

Something doesn't smell right...what appeal process is there? No way a 3.7 and

Fdnman

3/3/18 11:39am

Yeah, we're trying to figure out what happened. All I know is his siblings are

atlcougar

3/3/18 12:15pm

Sorry to hear that. I would be upset too. Was there a back up plan?

HaydenFox

3/3/18 11:39am

Wow. Sorry man, that sucks. We tried for the Y, but instead we got BYU-I.

3/3/18 11:41am

RE: 3.77 unweighted GPA (4.34 weighted), 34 ACT...rejected. We're shocked right

rhatchmd

3/3/18 11:41am

RE: 3.77 unweighted GPA (4.34 weighted), 34 ACT...rejected. We're shocked right

rhatchmd

3/3/18 11:42am

Probably net tithe payers, maybe also drink diet coke.

3/3/18 11:44am

They are from Atlanta..... maybe its worse, they work for Coke.

ABCoug

3/3/18 12:08pm

I wish there were more to the story. If there were more I wouldn't be shocked.

atlcougar

3/3/18 11:47am

How many DUIs does he have? I kid.

thebruce

3/3/18 11:50am

Only two.

atlcougar

3/3/18 12:20pm

Its the absence of transparency that drives me nuts — like can BYU explain why

Wolvercougs

3/3/18 12:00pm

BYU is awesome, but

Benfica1

3/4/18 6:28pm

Let me know where he ends up so I know where to send my daughter...

3/3/18 11:42am

^^^^This

ABCoug

3/3/18 12:10pm

Ha! Will do, my friend! Thanks for making us smile!

atlcougar

3/3/18 12:24pm

That’s a good post! Best one tonight.

Tsisquan

3/3/18 9:45pm

I showed this to HCBW, she said “there is obviously another path for him”

NOCAL_YFAN

3/3/18 11:43am

Thats what i thought. Maybe hes just not supposed to be there yet.

Orem58thBall

3/3/18 12:35pm

Thanks. Regardless of where he ends up, that's our hope for him. He'll

atlcougar

3/3/18 1:15pm

My children have no hope.

tawillin

3/3/18 11:43am

RE: My children have no hope.

Icecat

3/3/18 2:39pm

I agree with what other have said, but want to add tbis

Alpi Gusto

3/3/18 11:44am

My wife is saying the exact same thing as I read this. You're both very right.

atlcougar

3/3/18 11:54am

Wow, sounds like he has the tools to succeed

3/3/18 11:45am

Any issues in Seminary?

Baron

3/3/18 11:46am

None that I know of. Been a faithful seminary student.

atlcougar

3/3/18 12:26pm

Something is wrong with the scenario or the admin....34 ACT is a lock

kotacoug

3/3/18 11:47am

I'm no admissions office employee, but his essays were well written.

atlcougar

3/3/18 12:28pm

Have you considered having him attend a summer session?

Hinta

3/3/18 11:47am

I posted about this earlier but I definitely think it is wise

thebruce

3/3/18 11:48am

It is not the end of the world, but man that is brutal. He will get in eventuall

RexIdaCoug

3/3/18 11:51am

I would flip BYU the bird and go somewhere better

3/3/18 12:00pm

The thought did enter my mind!

atlcougar

3/3/18 12:36pm

You're very right. It's not the end of the world. He (and we) knows that.

atlcougar

3/3/18 12:35pm

Maybe God has other plans for him?

Veracruz

3/3/18 11:53am

I'd be contacting admissions this coming week asking for more info. Is there a

delux_247

3/3/18 12:00pm

Wow, I'm sorry. That's stupid.

QuikCars

3/3/18 12:00pm

Obviously, something within his application was unappealing, to the point of getting a denial

SJS

3/3/18 12:04pm

Right. Wish I knew what it was.

atlcougar

3/3/18 1:17pm

Honestly, that’s life. Just go someplace better and don’t look back.

Modiolus

3/3/18 12:06pm

Hopefully BYU was his backup school, but he is qualified for better!

HalftimeAdjustment

3/3/18 12:08pm

With those stats he should be able to get a scholarship to a better school.

k-ace

3/3/18 12:11pm

Baffling.

Paco

3/3/18 12:11pm

Probably the Bishop didn't write a good recommendation for him...

Richbyu

3/3/18 12:12pm

Nevermind...just saw that you are the Bishop.

Richbyu

3/3/18 12:12pm

BYU is becoming too "elite", and it isn't an elite school. Expand enrollment.

Richbyu

3/3/18 12:13pm

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East1999

3/3/18 12:16pm

I agree with that sentiment. This should be a clear cut acceptance,

Paco

3/3/18 12:22pm

Agreed. The narrative is accurate. We'll be calling next week to see if

atlcougar

3/3/18 1:19pm

Take advantage of the Hope Scholarship at GTech for a year

Noni Fruit

3/3/18 12:22pm

please circle back later and let us know if and when you find out the rationale

calcio

3/3/18 12:28pm

I don't want to make any assumptions about your son

Carnac

3/3/18 12:29pm

Your son will have to double down on student government, music, art or dance for

kotacoug

3/3/18 12:32pm

Dance, huh?

Carnac

3/3/18 12:36pm

RE: Dance, huh?

kotacoug

3/3/18 1:05pm

RE: Dance, huh?

Carnac

3/3/18 1:15pm

Good luck. Hope it works out. I'm just saying that the vast majority of

kotacoug

3/3/18 1:37pm

BYU is the epicenter of Ballroom dance - my son 3x national champion in ballroom

Wolvercougs

3/3/18 8:55pm

If a dude is into dance (ballet, contemporary) he has a huge admissions edge

SaturdaySpecialDay

3/3/18 7:54pm

I don't blame you for questioning his narrative. But I can appeal to others on

atlcougar

3/3/18 12:46pm

I feel your sincerity

Carnac

3/3/18 12:53pm

Its all about the extra's...

TheLost

3/3/18 12:33pm

Read his post. The kid did all of that and more. Something’s wrong with this

3/3/18 12:36pm

Yes, he's taken a well rounded approach throughout school.

atlcougar

3/3/18 12:48pm

when you appeal to the school and win... please come back and let us know. This has to be a clerical error.

HarlemCoug

3/3/18 12:34pm

Thanks. I hope I get the chance to.

atlcougar

3/3/18 12:48pm

Honestly, there is no logical reason this, so it's a great opportunity to teach

runnincoug

3/3/18 12:37pm

Thanks. We had a chance for a heart to heart before he had to run out the door

atlcougar

3/3/18 12:50pm

makes we wonder if they didn't get his essays or the endorsement came through

Martin Van Nostrand

3/3/18 12:40pm

This makes next to zero sense. I would dig for answers. Sounds like somebody

mudpupper

3/3/18 12:51pm

This is last year's grid supposedly...as I said...something is missing

Fdnman

3/3/18 1:21pm

Not many denied into the UofU

Fdnman

3/3/18 1:23pm

Who's that poor 3.8/28 who got denied? the lone red dot among the sea of green

Dissenter

3/3/18 1:28pm

I've always assumed it was either a hater self-reporting nonsense - or it's a person declined for

HarlemCoug

3/3/18 1:40pm

Yes, when I saw that grid posted a few days/weeks ago it made me feel really

atlcougar

3/3/18 1:42pm

the reality is that parents of kids with these marks shouldn't have any anxiety about our kid getting in. If BYU starts

HarlemCoug

3/3/18 1:51pm

With those kind of grades/ACT scores and EC's why does he want to go measly BYU?

3/3/18 1:21pm

Yes, there are other options. His plan has always been BYU undergrad and then

atlcougar

3/3/18 1:40pm

RE: With those kind of grades/ACT scores and EC's why does he want to go measly

plymouth

3/4/18 10:08am

did you say 24 by mistake on the application or something?

rggee

3/3/18 2:01pm

Somewhere in provo there is a kid with the same name as your son

3/3/18 2:38pm

There is no way this kid shouldn’t be at BYU. Someone screwed up.

tebowned

3/3/18 2:58pm

Our son didn’t make it either. Feel very similar. Already in at NC St. though

BornBlue

3/3/18 3:05pm

Go on a mission and then reapply he 'll get accepted

BYU Grounds

3/3/18 3:51pm

Building block, not a stumbling block

fox racer

3/3/18 4:37pm

My 17 year old has a 4.0 Unweighted, 32 ACT, Varsity Athlete, but

Tweege

3/3/18 4:58pm

I laughed at this, and then I cried. Geez, good luck brother.

Cougarfan777

3/3/18 5:38pm

Thanks for putting things in perspective. Sorry for your challenge.

atlcougar

3/3/18 9:13pm

Send him to Stanford.

3/3/18 5:37pm

i didnt get into stanford with a 3.99 and 35 ACT

rggee

3/3/18 5:55pm

Stanford rejects a lot of seemingly perfect students.

Capricious Cougar

3/3/18 9:28pm

I knew someone with a 36 Act pretty much perfect GPA with all the APs he could

SactOWNit

3/4/18 1:33pm

He will have to "settle" for some place like Duke. And will likely go on to

Game Changer

3/3/18 5:39pm

That was my thought. Did he apply/get in to Duke or Vandy? There's institute and

Martin Van Nostrand

3/3/18 5:49pm

Yep - I went to grad school at Duke and attended that YSA ward in Chapel Hill.

Game Changer

3/5/18 7:46am

(Current bush)..."I am the gardener here..."

ditch

3/3/18 7:08pm

Call the admissions office for clarification. Your son should be in.

Y-Phile

3/3/18 7:53pm

It's too late for this year but he has a resume that is tailor made for one of

vaquero

3/3/18 8:03pm

The only thing that could throw this are his endorsements,

canofpicante

3/3/18 8:45pm

Essays are a key differentiator. That is why they added more this year.

bad84cougar

3/3/18 9:08pm

IMHO, there is nothing to differentiate in this case. He was an autoadmit.

byuwahoo

3/4/18 9:02am

Krikey!

Tsisquan

3/3/18 9:11pm

It’s time to add an interview.

Tsisquan

3/3/18 9:22pm

I really can’t wrap my head around this.

3/3/18 9:44pm

I too need some order to the chaos. I can't make sense of the situation.

atlcougar

3/3/18 10:42pm

Any word on this? Just curious. Sounds like a clerical error.

ArchbishopMitty

3/7/18 7:25pm

RE: 3.77 unweighted GPA (4.34 weighted), 34 ACT...rejected. We're shocked right

Asay7

3/3/18 9:47pm

Where will your son go?

3/3/18 10:06pm

today just doesn't make sense - schools need to give standards and stick to them. Your son should be in.

HarlemCoug

3/3/18 10:25pm

Sorry to hear about your son. As you can imagine it's been a rough day.

atlcougar

3/3/18 10:38pm

They don't know your son. If they knew him, he would have been admitted. Essays

roseyscenario

3/4/18 6:21am

I’ve followed various families and applicants over the years

BlackBart

3/4/18 9:31am

Is it possible that his ACT scores weren’t sent or there was an error in the

LaserCoug

3/4/18 2:02pm

Out of statersself Report Grades now until after admissions.

plymouth

3/5/18 6:05am

Unless he self reported wrong

LaserCoug

3/5/18 6:58am

There is a decent chance this was a mistake. When you are dealing with

Bostonblue

3/4/18 3:19pm

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