There is so much truth to your last sentence. I can name a bunch of

Mar 3, 2018
2:35:12pm

kotacoug All-American

Classmates that could have made it to grad school etc if they had gone to another university. It was pretty brutal back in my day and even more brutal now. For the top 10-15 % its top notch. Grad school/Med schools etc etc only have so many slots for the prototypical 'byu' student.

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3.77 unweighted GPA (4.34 weighted), 34 ACT...rejected. We're shocked right now

atlcougar

3/3/18 11:26am

This is why I would like to see BYU expand enrollment, not to lower the

Nat Gas Man

3/3/18 11:29am

Where are we going to build the second campus then?

Jezza

3/4/18 8:50am

There is plenty of room around BYU to expand. Provo High campus for starters.

demon_llama

2/16/19 12:53pm

Seems like he’s got the “stats” to have been accepted

NorthwestCoug

3/3/18 11:32am

You're very kind. And you took a wise approach with your son.

atlcougar

3/3/18 11:40am

My one son at BYU-I is loving it and two of my others probably wished they had

Fdnman

3/3/18 11:48am

There is so much truth to your last sentence. I can name a bunch of

kotacoug

3/3/18 2:35pm

RE: Seems like he’s got the “stats” to have been accepted

timpjynx

3/3/18 11:48am

Yowza. That should be an automatic shoo in, especially with that 34! Something isn't right

LiveCoug

3/3/18 11:32am

Bummer. I had worse stats 17 years ago with zero extra curriculars and got a

Windward_Coug

3/3/18 11:32am

He's better off at a better school.

slowhiteguy

3/3/18 11:33am

^^^ this

BeefNoodleSoup

3/3/18 11:33am

Seriously.. I'm sure he'll get a full-ride somewhere

QuikCars

3/3/18 12:05pm

That is surpring/ disappointing based on the stats you gave. Take solace in the

pegushin

3/3/18 11:33am

BYU absolutely needs to expand enrollment. These types of kids and even kids without the same achievements belong in

monkeycowboy

3/3/18 11:33am

That doesn't make sense.

barnacle

3/3/18 11:33am

It makes sense when you have 1000s of kids just like him applying. They won't

fattycoug

3/3/18 12:49pm

but they don't have thousands of kids just like him applying. his stats are superior.

HarlemCoug

3/3/18 12:59pm

maybe 100s with those numbers

rggee

3/3/18 1:44pm

1000s of them do not have 34s on the act. This is a joke.

tebowned

3/3/18 3:00pm

If he really wants to go to BYU, he’ll get in eventually

YIsForBrigham

3/3/18 11:33am

This sounds like my brother in law

JohnnyComeLately

3/3/18 11:34am

Thanks for that. Great story. I hope he proves to be as resilient as your BIL

atlcougar

3/3/18 4:56pm

I transferred in too after my first year. It all works out

Cheesy Gordita

3/3/18 11:31pm

This doesn't make sense.

HarlemCoug

3/3/18 11:35am

Too bad. But he can learn a lot about life with this rejection. More than he could with an acceptance. He’ll be fine.

Mr. Belding

3/3/18 11:35am

That stinks. He is definitely more qualified than many (most?) who are there.

Cougar-Duck

3/3/18 11:36am

I don't buy it

rggee

3/3/18 11:36am

What is it you don't buy? Pray tell.

atlcougar

3/3/18 11:44am

those numbers get just about anyone in. there has to be more to the story

rggee

3/3/18 11:45am

Yes. That's why we're a bit shocked right now. Trying to make sense of this.

atlcougar

3/3/18 12:07pm

Long shot but worth calling on Tuesday to be sure there wasn’t a mistake.

Kevin Arnold

3/3/18 12:26pm

Thanks. We're definitely calling next week. I appreciate the kind words.

atlcougar

3/3/18 1:13pm

I hope you do follow up. I would appeal the decision

byuwahoo

3/3/18 8:46pm

Several years ago my daughter did not get in.

hitechcpa

3/3/18 9:48pm

curious if you feel that BYU was a good fit for her and that she was academically prepared?

HarlemCoug

3/3/18 9:58pm

Yes, it was a bit of a stretch for her, I think anyone. But she's done well.

hitechcpa

3/5/18 3:49pm

That's why I don't tout Byu to my kids, also talk positively about schools

permiso

3/3/18 11:37am

Serve his mission first and then reapply

airwolf

3/3/18 11:38am

This. If he doesn't get in again, then take a full ride at a JC

donnerstag

3/3/18 12:01pm

I know a kid who go admitted while on his mission after

johnnycarson

3/3/18 12:29pm

Makes me wonder about his essays and rec letters then.

Turnpike Lane

3/3/18 11:38am

yeah was he so much of a shoo in that he just didn't take time on the essays??

rggee

3/3/18 11:39am

That is the only thing that makes any sense

bluelands

3/3/18 11:58am

He labored over his essays for weeks and he's quite a good writer (as many

atlcougar

3/3/18 12:05pm

RE: He labored over his essays for weeks and he's quite a good writer (as many

andrewth

3/3/18 1:01pm

Makes me wonder if it’s worth it to take easier classes and get a higher GPA

RdF3

3/3/18 11:38am

We did that with my last son due to the crazy tough classes in our school.

Fdnman

3/3/18 11:42am

That's exactly what admissions told us 6 years ago--higher GPA in easier classes

Wolvercougs

3/3/18 11:54am

It is.

dwhitebud

3/3/18 11:56am

that's too bad. I'll never teach my kids to cheat at life that way. If that's

demon_llama

2/16/19 12:58pm

Something doesn't smell right...what appeal process is there? No way a 3.7 and

Fdnman

3/3/18 11:39am

Yeah, we're trying to figure out what happened. All I know is his siblings are

atlcougar

3/3/18 12:15pm

Sorry to hear that. I would be upset too. Was there a back up plan?

HaydenFox

3/3/18 11:39am

Wow. Sorry man, that sucks. We tried for the Y, but instead we got BYU-I.

Dishonor Code

3/3/18 11:41am

RE: 3.77 unweighted GPA (4.34 weighted), 34 ACT...rejected. We're shocked right

rhatchmd

3/3/18 11:41am

RE: 3.77 unweighted GPA (4.34 weighted), 34 ACT...rejected. We're shocked right

rhatchmd

3/3/18 11:42am

Probably net tithe payers, maybe also drink diet coke.

Dishonor Code

3/3/18 11:44am

They are from Atlanta..... maybe its worse, they work for Coke.

ABCoug

3/3/18 12:08pm

I wish there were more to the story. If there were more I wouldn't be shocked.

atlcougar

3/3/18 11:47am

How many DUIs does he have? I kid.

thebruce

3/3/18 11:50am

Only two.

atlcougar

3/3/18 12:20pm

Its the absence of transparency that drives me nuts — like can BYU explain why

Wolvercougs

3/3/18 12:00pm

BYU is awesome, but

Benfica1

3/4/18 6:28pm

Let me know where he ends up so I know where to send my daughter...

Dishonor Code

3/3/18 11:42am

^^^^This

ABCoug

3/3/18 12:10pm

Ha! Will do, my friend! Thanks for making us smile!

atlcougar

3/3/18 12:24pm

That’s a good post! Best one tonight.

Tsisquan

3/3/18 9:45pm

I showed this to HCBW, she said “there is obviously another path for him”

NOCAL_YFAN

3/3/18 11:43am

Thats what i thought. Maybe hes just not supposed to be there yet.

Orem58thBall

3/3/18 12:35pm

Thanks. Regardless of where he ends up, that's our hope for him. He'll

atlcougar

3/3/18 1:15pm

My children have no hope.

tawillin

3/3/18 11:43am

RE: My children have no hope.

Icecat

3/3/18 2:39pm

I agree with what other have said, but want to add tbis

Alpi Gusto

3/3/18 11:44am

My wife is saying the exact same thing as I read this. You're both very right.

atlcougar

3/3/18 11:54am

Wow, sounds like he has the tools to succeed

conflictedcoug

3/3/18 11:45am

Any issues in Seminary?

Baron

3/3/18 11:46am

None that I know of. Been a faithful seminary student.

atlcougar

3/3/18 12:26pm

Something is wrong with the scenario or the admin....34 ACT is a lock

kotacoug

3/3/18 11:47am

I'm no admissions office employee, but his essays were well written.

atlcougar

3/3/18 12:28pm

Have you considered having him attend a summer session?

Hinta

3/3/18 11:47am

I posted about this earlier but I definitely think it is wise

thebruce

3/3/18 11:48am

It is not the end of the world, but man that is brutal. He will get in eventuall

RexIdaCoug

3/3/18 11:51am

I would flip BYU the bird and go somewhere better

conflictedcoug

3/3/18 12:00pm

The thought did enter my mind!

atlcougar

3/3/18 12:36pm

You're very right. It's not the end of the world. He (and we) knows that.

atlcougar

3/3/18 12:35pm

Maybe God has other plans for him?

Veracruz

3/3/18 11:53am

I'd be contacting admissions this coming week asking for more info. Is there a

delux_247

3/3/18 12:00pm

Wow, I'm sorry. That's stupid.

QuikCars

3/3/18 12:00pm

Obviously, something within his application was unappealing, to the point of getting a denial

SJS

3/3/18 12:04pm

Right. Wish I knew what it was.

atlcougar

3/3/18 1:17pm

Honestly, that’s life. Just go someplace better and don’t look back.

Modiolus

3/3/18 12:06pm

Hopefully BYU was his backup school, but he is qualified for better!

HalftimeAdjustment

3/3/18 12:08pm

With those stats he should be able to get a scholarship to a better school.

k-ace

3/3/18 12:11pm

Baffling.

Paco

3/3/18 12:11pm

Probably the Bishop didn't write a good recommendation for him...

Richbyu

3/3/18 12:12pm

Nevermind...just saw that you are the Bishop.

Richbyu

3/3/18 12:12pm

BYU is becoming too "elite", and it isn't an elite school. Expand enrollment.

Richbyu

3/3/18 12:13pm

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East1999

3/3/18 12:16pm

I agree with that sentiment. This should be a clear cut acceptance,

Paco

3/3/18 12:22pm

Agreed. The narrative is accurate. We'll be calling next week to see if

atlcougar

3/3/18 1:19pm

Take advantage of the Hope Scholarship at GTech for a year

Noni Fruit

3/3/18 12:22pm

please circle back later and let us know if and when you find out the rationale

calcio

3/3/18 12:28pm

I don't want to make any assumptions about your son

Carnac

3/3/18 12:29pm

Your son will have to double down on student government, music, art or dance for

kotacoug

3/3/18 12:32pm

Dance, huh?

Carnac

3/3/18 12:36pm

RE: Dance, huh?

kotacoug

3/3/18 1:05pm

RE: Dance, huh?

Carnac

3/3/18 1:15pm

Good luck. Hope it works out. I'm just saying that the vast majority of

kotacoug

3/3/18 1:37pm

BYU is the epicenter of Ballroom dance - my son 3x national champion in ballroom

Wolvercougs

3/3/18 8:55pm

If a dude is into dance (ballet, contemporary) he has a huge admissions edge

SaturdaySpecialDay

3/3/18 7:54pm

I don't blame you for questioning his narrative. But I can appeal to others on

atlcougar

3/3/18 12:46pm

I feel your sincerity

Carnac

3/3/18 12:53pm

Its all about the extra's...

TheLost

3/3/18 12:33pm

Read his post. The kid did all of that and more. Something’s wrong with this

Pistol Shrimp

3/3/18 12:36pm

Yes, he's taken a well rounded approach throughout school.

atlcougar

3/3/18 12:48pm

when you appeal to the school and win... please come back and let us know. This has to be a clerical error.

HarlemCoug

3/3/18 12:34pm

Thanks. I hope I get the chance to.

atlcougar

3/3/18 12:48pm

Honestly, there is no logical reason this, so it's a great opportunity to teach

runnincoug

3/3/18 12:37pm

Thanks. We had a chance for a heart to heart before he had to run out the door

atlcougar

3/3/18 12:50pm

makes we wonder if they didn't get his essays or the endorsement came through

Martin Van Nostrand

3/3/18 12:40pm

This makes next to zero sense. I would dig for answers. Sounds like somebody

mudpupper

3/3/18 12:51pm

This is last year's grid supposedly...as I said...something is missing

Fdnman

3/3/18 1:21pm

Not many denied into the UofU

Fdnman

3/3/18 1:23pm

Who's that poor 3.8/28 who got denied? the lone red dot among the sea of green

Dissenter

3/3/18 1:28pm

I've always assumed it was either a hater self-reporting nonsense - or it's a person declined for

HarlemCoug

3/3/18 1:40pm

Yes, when I saw that grid posted a few days/weeks ago it made me feel really

atlcougar

3/3/18 1:42pm

the reality is that parents of kids with these marks shouldn't have any anxiety about our kid getting in. If BYU starts

HarlemCoug

3/3/18 1:51pm

With those kind of grades/ACT scores and EC's why does he want to go measly BYU?

BYUALWAYSNUM1

3/3/18 1:21pm

Yes, there are other options. His plan has always been BYU undergrad and then

atlcougar

3/3/18 1:40pm

RE: With those kind of grades/ACT scores and EC's why does he want to go measly

plymouth

3/4/18 10:08am

did you say 24 by mistake on the application or something?

rggee

3/3/18 2:01pm

Somewhere in provo there is a kid with the same name as your son

conflictedcoug

3/3/18 2:38pm

There is no way this kid shouldn’t be at BYU. Someone screwed up.

tebowned

3/3/18 2:58pm

Our son didn’t make it either. Feel very similar. Already in at NC St. though

BornBlue

3/3/18 3:05pm

Go on a mission and then reapply he 'll get accepted

BYU Grounds

3/3/18 3:51pm

Building block, not a stumbling block

fox racer

3/3/18 4:37pm

My 17 year old has a 4.0 Unweighted, 32 ACT, Varsity Athlete, but

Tweege

3/3/18 4:58pm

I laughed at this, and then I cried. Geez, good luck brother.

Cougarfan777

3/3/18 5:38pm

Thanks for putting things in perspective. Sorry for your challenge.

atlcougar

3/3/18 9:13pm

Send him to Stanford.

BostonCougar

3/3/18 5:37pm

i didnt get into stanford with a 3.99 and 35 ACT

rggee

3/3/18 5:55pm

Stanford rejects a lot of seemingly perfect students.

Capricious Cougar

3/3/18 9:28pm

I knew someone with a 36 Act pretty much perfect GPA with all the APs he could

SactOWNit

3/4/18 1:33pm

He will have to "settle" for some place like Duke. And will likely go on to

Game Changer

3/3/18 5:39pm

That was my thought. Did he apply/get in to Duke or Vandy? There's institute and

Martin Van Nostrand

3/3/18 5:49pm

Yep - I went to grad school at Duke and attended that YSA ward in Chapel Hill.

Game Changer

3/5/18 7:46am

(Current bush)..."I am the gardener here..."

ditch

3/3/18 7:08pm

Call the admissions office for clarification. Your son should be in.

Y-Phile

3/3/18 7:53pm

It's too late for this year but he has a resume that is tailor made for one of

vaquero

3/3/18 8:03pm

The only thing that could throw this are his endorsements,

canofpicante

3/3/18 8:45pm

Essays are a key differentiator. That is why they added more this year.

bad84cougar

3/3/18 9:08pm

IMHO, there is nothing to differentiate in this case. He was an autoadmit.

byuwahoo

3/4/18 9:02am

Krikey!

Tsisquan

3/3/18 9:11pm

It’s time to add an interview.

Tsisquan

3/3/18 9:22pm

I really can’t wrap my head around this.

VenetianCougar

3/3/18 9:44pm

I too need some order to the chaos. I can't make sense of the situation.

atlcougar

3/3/18 10:42pm

Any word on this? Just curious. Sounds like a clerical error.

ArchbishopMitty

3/7/18 7:25pm

RE: 3.77 unweighted GPA (4.34 weighted), 34 ACT...rejected. We're shocked right

Asay7

3/3/18 9:47pm

Where will your son go?

conflictedcoug

3/3/18 10:06pm

today just doesn't make sense - schools need to give standards and stick to them. Your son should be in.

HarlemCoug

3/3/18 10:25pm

Sorry to hear about your son. As you can imagine it's been a rough day.

atlcougar

3/3/18 10:38pm

They don't know your son. If they knew him, he would have been admitted. Essays

roseyscenario

3/4/18 6:21am

I’ve followed various families and applicants over the years

BlackBart

3/4/18 9:31am

Is it possible that his ACT scores weren’t sent or there was an error in the

LaserCoug

3/4/18 2:02pm

Out of statersself Report Grades now until after admissions.

plymouth

3/5/18 6:05am

Unless he self reported wrong

LaserCoug

3/5/18 6:58am

There is a decent chance this was a mistake. When you are dealing with

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