Correlation is not causation.

This is why BYU rushes 3

Indy Coug

12/13/19 8:51am

BYU gets the leftovers

Backcountry

12/13/19 8:51am

#6 Falslev is a basketball recruit. Makes me question the whole list.

bluebrotha

12/13/19 5:32pm

He’s both. He’s the #6 football recruit in the state, he’s just not going to

Scratch

12/13/19 5:34pm

Geez. That’s pretty bad.

cougfanz

12/13/19 8:52am

That’s what happens when you lose. Win games and that changes

letthewookiewin

12/13/19 8:53am

One of the most illogical, ridiculous opinions perpetuated on CB

Backcountry

12/13/19 8:57am

Nah, winning installs trust in coaches/schemes from recruits and players. Those

Benfica1

12/13/19 9:00am

P5>independence. No honor code> honor code.

PessimisticCB

12/13/19 9:37am

A perfect summation of the current predicament

Backcountry

12/13/19 9:53am

Choosing Utah allows even members of the church to have the best of both worlds.

DoseOfReality

12/13/19 10:08am

That is exactly why Utah is far and away the best destination for elite LDS

Backcountry

12/13/19 10:14am

Believe it or not, some kids value a quality education (BYU or Stanford)

Cougar76

12/13/19 11:24am

Additionally, statistically, you're MUCH more likely to go on a mission and/or

Cougar76

12/13/19 11:30am

Like anyone could ever know that.

Scratch

12/13/19 11:38am

Actually, there was a recent study that proved exactly that

Cougar76

12/13/19 11:44am

Proved?

Scratch

12/13/19 11:47am

Link: (provided by your very own Daily Chronicle

Cougar76

12/13/19 12:14pm

LOL, that study is even less meaningful than I imagined based on what you said,

Scratch

12/13/19 12:28pm

RE: LOL, that study is even less meaningful than I imagined based on what you

Cougar76

12/13/19 1:05pm

Correlation is not causation.

CrimsonCardinal

12/13/19 6:14pm

RE: Correlation is not causation.

Cougar76

12/13/19 6:52pm

That gif encapsulates the “BYU Experience.”

CrimsonCardinal

12/13/19 10:49pm

RE: That gif encapsulates the “BYU Experience.”

Cougar76

12/14/19 8:51am

Meh, not really.

Benfica1

12/13/19 12:18pm

not so true for basketball. the U has big apathy for basketball due to being

cwilke1

12/13/19 11:29am

UU basketball USED TO BE a big ticket item. Losing seasons brought apathy. WIN

Benfica1

12/13/19 12:20pm

Lottery winner > speeding ticket. Winning > not winning.

Benfica1

12/13/19 9:57am

Mostly due to horrific, incompetent leadership.

Backcountry

12/13/19 9:59am

Wow. Now that's a bit over the top.

Benfica1

12/13/19 10:00am

P5 > "G5+"(pac-12) > Independence > G5

cougarnw

12/13/19 12:25pm

So you think it’s a coincidence that teams like Alabama, Clemson and Ohio State

Dynasty1

12/13/19 9:09am

No, they all cheat at the same level

airwolf

12/13/19 9:20am

I disagree. Some of them cheat at a higher level than the others.

CougarThug

12/13/19 9:28am

The level probably correlates well with their winning national championships

airwolf

12/13/19 9:37am

I don't think so.

letthewookiewin

12/13/19 9:20am

They win games because they wreck us in recruiting because they are P5

Backcountry

12/13/19 9:54am

So if BYU had gone undefeated the past three years in a row and

1CougFan

12/13/19 9:36am

Honestly, do you guy not recognize that it's impossible to go undefeated with

Backcountry

12/13/19 9:56am

Do tell what is more important than winning?

Pretorian

12/13/19 9:39am

P5 inclusion. Elimination of an archaic honor code. Facility improvements.

Backcountry

12/13/19 9:58am

HC isn't going anywhere, you have no idea about coaching salaries, Facility

Pretorian

12/13/19 2:09pm

I take back my post of the year comment for your earlier post 🙂

AingeEraCoug

12/13/19 10:02pm

Yeah backcountry I’m going to have to go ahead and agree with this one. Ur wrong

Punk Philosopher

12/14/19 3:34am

I would argue that BYU is currently overachieving as an independent team

Backcountry

12/14/19 10:15am

My point is that without the benefits if P5 inclusion, we cant and wont

Backcountry

12/14/19 10:14am

Respectfully disagree

AingeEraCoug

12/14/19 12:56pm

Exactly.

Benfica1

12/13/19 8:58am

at least BYU has 9 of the 30 and is still ahead of USU

cwilke1

12/13/19 8:56am

Honest question, are those top guys academically eligible to go to BYU?

the_byu_flash

12/13/19 8:53am

Ah...the old "not smart or righteous enough" question

Backcountry

12/13/19 8:57am

No, it is the ole "BYU has higher academic standards than lots of other schools"

OGSuperfan

12/13/19 9:00am

Let's see, the top few guys committed to or leaning to the U from that list

Scratch

12/13/19 9:36am

I’m not saying they couldn’t. I was genuinely curious

the_byu_flash

12/13/19 9:57am

Alamo!

LumberCoug

12/13/19 11:37am

IF these higher standards exist, they are self imposed. Elminate self imposed

Backcountry

12/13/19 10:00am

completely agree with you on that point. I don't see a reason for it.

OGSuperfan

12/13/19 10:03am

Um, it's real.

Level43

12/13/19 9:10am

Some aren’t LDS one wanted to play with his brother.

PessimisticCB

12/13/19 9:32am

What are those standards? Does anybody know what they are for both schools?

DoseOfReality

12/13/19 10:12am

Yes, every single one.

displacedute

12/13/19 10:16am

I love the "BYU can take prop 48 students". When was the last time they did that

Lance71

12/13/19 10:57am

Dayan Ghanwoloku publicly was a prop 48

displacedute

12/13/19 12:04pm

And had to sit a year

stansburycoug

12/13/19 12:08pm

Right, because that's the NCAA rule. But the point is that he could go to BYU

Scratch

12/13/19 12:30pm

Such an interesting situation overall

stansburycoug

12/13/19 1:10pm

Conferences set limits on non-qualifiers. MWC allows none.

jrj84105

12/13/19 9:13pm

And is literally the only one Ute fans can ever come up with

BYU '80

12/13/19 8:38pm

RE: Yes, every single one.

LumberCoug

12/13/19 11:40am

Meaning BYU took 1. The Lake case will live on

BYU '80

12/13/19 8:38pm

I absolutely love the irony in this post.

Scratch

12/13/19 9:21pm

It is really not that tough to get in as a football player.

Cougstreak

12/13/19 10:59am

But could they stay?

1CougFan

12/13/19 11:03am

Why would Raass go to UCLA? Dad and bro were awesome at the Y.

Benfica1

12/13/19 8:56am

Umm.. because its UCLA..

TheLost

12/13/19 9:08am

Yeah, UCLA football.

Benfica1

12/13/19 9:10am

I know a kid who played for UCLA..

TheLost

12/13/19 9:14am

So it's not about who they played for nearly as much as it's about how good they

StarMan

12/13/19 9:36am

People asked the same questions when X signed with them

cougfanz

12/13/19 9:46am

And was it UCLA or the player that got him into the NFL?

Benfica1

12/13/19 9:57am

RE: And was it UCLA or the player that got him into the NFL?

TheLost

12/13/19 10:20am

And that doesn't happen at BYU? I believe it does.

Benfica1

12/13/19 12:23pm

X was close to being ready as a freshman

stansburycoug

12/13/19 1:12pm

Not saying this is the reason....

Cougar86

12/13/19 9:54am

You realize ratings are completely loaded right? If they are thinking of going

OGSuperfan

12/13/19 8:58am

Hit the nail on the head brotha, ratings are subjective and

1CougFan

12/13/19 9:30am

So since #2,3,4, and 7 aren't committed yet, does that mean they will get

BYUheaven

12/13/19 9:44am

No - they are ranked high because they are "linked" to P5 schools. Depending on

OGSuperfan

12/13/19 10:18am

6 to Utah, 9 to BYU. But how many of 9 to BYU did Utah or others want?

CosmoK

12/13/19 8:59am

RE: 6 to Utah, 9 to BYU. But how many of 9 to BYU did Utah or others want?

displacedute

12/13/19 10:25am

Yeah five of those guys are not even commits and you declare them wins

BYU '80

12/13/19 8:40pm

I was told by one of the 247 guys that Utah would take Schoonover

Gathers

12/13/19 4:47pm

Coach Whitt has been calling Schoonover personally every week

cougaraficionado

12/13/19 5:57pm

6) is going to Utah to play basketball, not football.

Turnpike Lane

12/13/19 8:59am

= even worse ’in-state’ results since Bronco departed. Ugh!

MichCoug

12/13/19 9:01am

P5>independence

PessimisticCB

12/13/19 9:33am

Utah does seem to produce quite a bit of FBS talent for a small state of around

Dynasty1

12/13/19 9:01am

Thank goodness for the recruiting bump from extending Kalani.

byubyu

12/13/19 9:02am

Losing, honor code and PAC12>Indy....3 big reasons

YSeattle

12/13/19 9:05am

Look again..

TheLost

12/13/19 9:12am

Falslev isn't planning to play football and other realities on the top 5

stansburycoug

12/13/19 9:05am

What's the story on Ritchie?

YSeattle

12/13/19 9:10am

It's been hashed out pretty well here

stansburycoug

12/13/19 10:01am

We have worldwide access to talent through the church

OU Cougar

12/13/19 9:05am

Ziggy’s don’t grow on trees and most of the world doesn’t play football

Dynasty1

12/13/19 9:07am

This is why we shouldn't hope for any U of U success

MikeDitka'sStache

12/13/19 9:18am

Not exactly. BYU's about to get a very good commit who was a strong Utah lean

Scratch

12/13/19 9:43am

In fact, the kid BYU's about to get will be BYU's best recruit this year per 247

Scratch

12/13/19 9:54am

Gentry should be BYU's best get this year

stansburycoug

12/13/19 10:07am

Oh yeah, if BYU gets him that would be huge. I just meant the best based on who

Scratch

12/13/19 10:18am

so you are arguing that Utah success makes him more interested in BYU as plan B?

Scooter

12/13/19 9:59am

The argument makes sense

stansburycoug

12/13/19 10:05am

What do you mean? Historically, Utah and BYU have competed for a lot of the

Scratch

12/13/19 10:07am

This all may be true, but a top recruite in the state of Utah will be recruited

Scooter

12/13/19 10:18am

And they will also be recruited by USC, Washington, Stanford, Oregon, etc.

Scratch

12/13/19 10:23am

RE: This all may be true, but a top recruite in the state of Utah will be

BuckElk

12/13/19 11:17am

Interesting thought, and one I haven't considered

4mack

12/13/19 11:56am

Doesn’t mean they would get them, especially if they weren’t winning

1CougFan

12/13/19 12:19pm

It'd be interesting to know

Tortillero

12/13/19 9:27am

As far as I know 2 and 3 were the ones not offered

stansburycoug

12/13/19 10:43am

I wouldn't call the BYU ones "left overs". Recruiting is not simply stars.

ImuaKahuku

12/13/19 9:31am

Who knew that one day we'd be looking at not getting the top Utah recruits as

StarMan

12/13/19 9:39am

Bodie Schoonover may be leaning UCLA

Heydude32

12/13/19 10:06am

Brutal

Hoax

12/13/19 10:12am

Mason Falslev is committed to play basketball....not football

RockyBalboa

12/13/19 10:14am

And Even with the inherent P5 Advantage, Utah Embarrassed Themselves

Uncle Bluto

12/13/19 10:18am

10-30. That's where we really shine.

Ham

12/13/19 10:21am

What’s with all the skipped numbers?

Alsippi89

12/13/19 10:34am

The recruiting sites like 247 sports are basically rumor mills..

TheLost

12/13/19 10:39am

This list must be inaccurate because BYU and Utah don't recruit the same kids.

CougaRR4L

12/13/19 10:46am

I've been told that's why I can cheer for both.

CougaRR4L

12/13/19 10:47am

How many BYU commits have Utah offers?

TheLost

12/13/19 11:01am

It's correct and you're right, the top 2 Utah leans don't have offers

stansburycoug

12/13/19 10:59am

What about the next 4?

CougaRR4L

12/13/19 11:02am

RE: What about the next 4?

TheLost

12/13/19 11:08am

Look clearly, Utah is winning more of these battles right now

CougaRR4L

12/13/19 11:38am

RE: Look clearly, Utah is winning more of these battles right now

TheLost

12/13/19 11:51am

I wouldn't say "nothing," but in general you're right.

Scratch

12/13/19 12:02pm

So are you arguing that BYU does not compete regularly with Utah for recruits?

CougaRR4L

12/13/19 12:42pm

We'd be better off in the MWC.

Big Time 55

12/13/19 11:04am

This is the worst we have ever done. It shows the state of the program

kimdaddy35

12/13/19 11:24am

This is true. I don't remember us ever being this bad in state

Cougar76

12/13/19 11:25am

Something people need to get used to is the demographic of the state.

Lip Gallagher

12/13/19 6:15pm

Even if you’re a kid who wants to live the honor code I’d imagine you’d weigh if

SouthernBlueBlood

12/13/19 11:45am

You play the hand you are dealt, play to your strengths, and improve your

Trent

12/13/19 12:22pm

Excellent. Been saying this for a long time now.

Punk Philosopher

12/14/19 4:04am

And people say we don’t compete head to head with Utah much

D.T. Survivor

12/13/19 12:35pm

Those are two very different things. This list enforces one of those things,

Scratch

12/13/19 12:44pm

It depends on the year and the focus recruits. It's true that there's still

Lip Gallagher

12/13/19 12:49pm

Very few people say those things. Although uu does go out of state more now.

Benfica1

12/13/19 1:17pm

I'm with you buddy but I have been yelled at here.

CougaRR4L

12/13/19 2:24pm

Agree +1

YSeattle

12/13/19 2:34pm

Utah will not get a single player from the state of Utah this year who had BYU

Scratch

12/13/19 2:49pm

Dang. We really need some players to develop better than projected.

Gerald-DeGroot

12/13/19 2:34pm

How many of our best players come from Utah? Jamaal, KVN, Taysom weren't.

BYUCougarsFan

12/13/19 2:45pm

In 2016 BYU had 4 of the top 5 and 8 out of 10 top Utah

Str8CashCougar

12/13/19 5:18pm

*2017

Lip Gallagher

12/13/19 5:40pm

So Ritchie and Raas are BYU legacy correct?

BYU '80

12/13/19 8:35pm

We do. Do you expect to get every single one of them?

Lip Gallagher

12/13/19 8:58pm

We rarely get any these days

BYU '80

12/13/19 9:09pm

Nonsense. We likely still get more than we lose. Don't be dramatic

Lip Gallagher

12/13/19 9:14pm

Nick session is committed to OkSU

BYUAnime

12/13/19 11:54pm

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