Other than infection and death (both covered in my post) what else is there?

Didn't BYU say they will charge the students for the test? I'd have to imagine

P-Boy Squad

7/28/21 9:21am

Yeah the risks of the vaccine are so low, I’m surprised more haven’t gotten it

Run-DMT

7/28/21 9:22am

Yeah. The risks to COVID is so low I am surprised anyone is still pushing it.

jrifkin48

7/28/21 9:42am

You don't think missing multiple weeks of your football season being in

kimdaddy35

7/28/21 10:10am

I wouldn't ignore long-term risks for short sighted gains.

jrifkin48

7/28/21 10:34am

It is not gene therapy. Please don't spread dumb ideas.

Bolso

7/28/21 10:43am

Can we agree that it isn't a traditional vaccine then?

jrifkin48

7/28/21 10:57am

Did you get the J&J vaccine then?

ldssdl

7/28/21 11:13am

I got the Moderna back in March...it was for work requirements

jrifkin48

7/28/21 11:21am

Follow the science without the politics and you'll understand better

Bolso

7/28/21 11:31am

I have no issue with the shot (its not a traditional vaccine).

jrifkin48

7/28/21 11:55am

Before and after clinical trials were completed

Bolso

7/28/21 12:18pm

Your statement is completely false. Biden’s comments were not a before/after

dawgbite

7/28/21 12:56pm

Pfizer shot was approved December 11.

Bolso

7/28/21 3:15pm

I think we have a great grasp of the risk of major side effects with 100's of millions delivered. Short-term risk reward

Trent

7/29/21 10:38am

Kind of reasonable response. But there isn't about zero risk of an issue

IgnoreThem

7/29/21 10:50am

And a reasonable, logical response back. So people on opposite sides of this can have a respectful conversation. 😉

Trent

7/29/21 11:31am

Traditional vaccines? Well, vaccines are of several types and they are all

84 natlchamps

7/28/21 5:44pm

Have you sprouted your third arm yet?

Delicate Genius

7/28/21 7:42pm

Explain how strongly encouraging scholarship football players is any different than your employer requiring vaccination

antiyewt

7/28/21 7:59pm

Don't need to get yourself and others upset about "gene therapy" when it isn't

Bolso

7/28/21 11:22am

Wrong regarding Pfizer and, I believe, Moderna. They are using a CRISPR RNA

Jasbo

7/28/21 12:37pm

Here is the $1M question. Why is it still allowed? It has a waiver because

ImuaKahuku

7/28/21 2:22pm

Please, enlighten us all with your blood sample research. Using actual sources.

IgnoreThem

7/29/21 7:22am

You can begin with Dr. Peter McCullough and his findings and writings. He gives

ImuaKahuku

7/29/21 8:39am

Oh please. A cable TV talking head. I'm wasting my time.

IgnoreThem

7/29/21 9:37am

Simply dismiss him with no evidence. I server only one Master

ImuaKahuku

7/30/21 6:11am

Please explain what it is then.

ImuaKahuku

7/28/21 1:50pm

It is mRNA getting translated by your cells

Bolso

7/28/21 2:04pm

Fascinating how many act like they know what it is based off of political

StalwartBraveTrue

7/28/21 2:19pm

Good point, which is funny

stoils

7/28/21 3:57pm

I wasn’t aware of that. I don’t give a hoot about GMOs.

StalwartBraveTrue

7/28/21 11:31pm

What a strange thing to say

fatcracker

7/28/21 10:44am

It's been around for less than a year. What a strange thing to say.

jrifkin48

7/28/21 10:46am

Random people talking about stuff they don't know anything about is also strange

Bolso

7/28/21 11:11am

Of the Moderna, J&J and Pfizer shots, which one is a traditional vaccine?

jrifkin48

7/28/21 11:24am

J&J is traditional. And I am defending the mRNA ones, did you read?

Bolso

7/28/21 12:05pm

Both y’all madly on Google right now looking up info on these vaccines. Zero cougar boarders changed their view

Honor Code

7/28/21 12:36pm

Wrong! My MD in virology is from DuckDuckGo. I don't trust the Googles

jrifkin48

7/28/21 1:21pm

^^^ New to CB ^^^

DirtyWater

7/28/21 11:32am

So should those that have had COVID still get the vaccine?

Cnation

7/28/21 6:34pm

Yet you speak of long-term effects.

civilcoug

7/28/21 1:20pm

It's been worked on and developed over decades. It's not something brand new.

So it goes...

7/28/21 1:41pm

They’ve been working with the technology for years

I'mBatman

7/28/21 7:48pm

But it’s still a trial…

Cnation

7/28/21 8:24pm

It. Is. Not. A. Trial.

StalwartBraveTrue

7/28/21 11:35pm

RE: It. Is. Not. A. Trial.

Cnation

7/29/21 3:18pm

So we agree.

StalwartBraveTrue

7/29/21 6:30pm

RE: So we agree.

Cnation

7/29/21 9:17pm

Agree. And I’m glad no one is being forced to get it. Freedom first.

StalwartBraveTrue

7/30/21 8:35am

Why assume there will be long-term effects? That seems so short sighted.

FanofBYU

7/28/21 10:54am

Every 90+ year old should get the shot

stoils

7/28/21 4:02pm

Oh wow, this is such an ignorant take. This is not gene

kimdaddy35

7/28/21 11:30am

Friend i used to work with (who’s dad is on this board) has been in and out of

Powerbait DPM

7/28/21 3:23pm

Myocarditis is at least as prevalent in those who had COVID 19.

IgnoreThem

7/28/21 6:59pm

Yeah I’m not trying to discredit anyone. Just show why there is fear. Nobody I

Powerbait DPM

7/28/21 9:01pm

I get that people come from different starting points on this issue. But we

StalwartBraveTrue

7/28/21 11:44pm

Wow getting COVID, I'll ignore long term risk. Made up long term risks

Baron

7/28/21 4:15pm

Why are those with the vaccine so concerned about those who have not?

brick oven

7/29/21 8:39am

Their idiotic views push the idiotic government to do idiotic things and they pu

Baron

7/29/21 12:21pm

For me, it affects my family, workplace and possibly my kids schooling.

StalwartBraveTrue

7/29/21 12:50pm

is it the virus affecting you or the reactions to the virus affecting you

brick oven

7/29/21 2:29pm

Yeah, Tea and Crumpets was TIC…kind of

StalwartBraveTrue

7/29/21 5:36pm

Yeah, tea and crumpets part was tic…or was it

StalwartBraveTrue

7/29/21 6:03pm

Tell that to the 4,197,319 Who have died from COVID-19 so far

kC Cougar

7/28/21 10:32am

How many in the age range of 18-24?

Huge Manatee

7/28/21 10:36am

If you are younger than 24 regular flu Is more deadly

Osteotome

7/28/21 6:17pm

And how many young athletes are these?

jrifkin48

7/28/21 10:38am

And none of those are 18-23 y.o. D1 CFB players

Backcountry

7/28/21 10:38am

Jamain Stephans was D1 lineman, dead from Covid-19

Mabuhay Coug

7/28/21 2:38pm

Guess we can force the 79 yo diabetics

Born2Fish

7/28/21 10:39am

Call and ask Tristan Hoge if he wishes he had access to a vaccine to prevent his

StalwartBraveTrue

7/28/21 10:44am

And hopefully none of them miss games due to blood clots.

ochobeeguy

7/28/21 2:55pm

Yes. Because the risk of that is sooooo high.

StalwartBraveTrue

7/28/21 2:59pm

what of the risk of myocarditis

brick oven

7/29/21 8:55am

RE: what of the risk of myocarditis

StalwartBraveTrue

7/29/21 1:01pm

your argument is I wonder what Tristen would say? well these are grown men...

brick oven

7/29/21 2:59pm

HIV is not a communicable respiratory disease transmitted by breathing in

StalwartBraveTrue

7/29/21 6:39pm

Your baker analogy is stale since CO just ruled the opposite on another case now

stoils

7/30/21 7:15am

It looks like 3 people confused potd for wpotd.

fbguru

7/28/21 11:08am

There has to be more people like me who know the risk of Covid is low/aren’t

ColonelMustard

7/28/21 1:40pm

RE: Yeah. The risks to COVID is so low I am surprised anyone is still pushing

akbarishiwatsu

7/28/21 4:22pm

Risks of COVID, even to the young adult, is orders of magnitude higher than vax

MDub1

7/28/21 4:35pm

I love how we used to think anti-vaxxers

Burton162

7/28/21 10:09pm

who are they going to infect that you are so concerned about?

brick oven

7/29/21 8:58am

Exactly.. people complain about "big pharma" and then go pop their advil and

GhostRider

7/29/21 11:50am

CDC warned about elevated cases of myocarditis in teens that get vaccinated. Is

DoseOfReality

7/28/21 9:48am

Yes, it is very low risk.

Scratch

7/28/21 10:01am

As is Covid…. Extremely low risk for that age group. Almost zero risk for health

kotacoug

7/28/21 10:31am

Yes. Young healthy people have died from complications related to COVID.

FanofBYU

7/28/21 11:00am

You can’t argue that the vaccine is safe and then turn around and note the

kotacoug

7/28/21 11:17am

Actually, the Delta variant is infecting people in their 20s and 30s. The risk

FanofBYU

7/29/21 12:58pm

I heard it isn't hitting anyone hard. It's a weaker strain.

ImuaKahuku

7/28/21 1:48pm

Then how do you explain the increase in hospitalizations and deaths?

FanofBYU

7/29/21 12:58pm

Wait, what's this Delta variant. This is the first I've heard of this.

ochobeeguy

7/28/21 2:56pm

You’re weighing the wrong risks here.

StalwartBraveTrue

7/28/21 2:31pm

The true craziness are the policies regarding Covid. You sound like when the car

kotacoug

7/28/21 8:44pm

I love that when it gets down to it the real issue is politics and not risk.

StalwartBraveTrue

7/28/21 11:46pm

If you are young and only weighing the risk of death from COVID versus

SnickSnack

7/28/21 12:02pm

Care to share your numbers? I’ve never seen this claim backed up with real data.

StalwartBraveTrue

7/28/21 2:32pm

Not my numbers. This comes from Geert Vanden Bossche PHD. He is an

SnickSnack

7/28/21 5:02pm

Thanks. I’ll have to go look him up and see what he says.

StalwartBraveTrue

7/28/21 6:15pm

Solid post, and I appreciate this paragraph

So it goes...

7/28/21 6:23pm

Good post and I think we agree more than we disagree. My point about freedom is

SnickSnack

7/28/21 10:10pm

You are right, we agree on a lot.

StalwartBraveTrue

7/28/21 11:57pm

Outstanding post. Thank you.

FanofBYU

7/29/21 1:04pm

The doctor you are referencing here has a reputation for taking a piece of truth

jamfam

7/28/21 10:18pm

Are you sure you aren’t talking about Snopes and not this doctor? They fit the

SnickSnack

7/28/21 10:35pm

You posted a YouTube video... Then defended him by saying he

jamfam

7/28/21 11:19pm

I think it’s a slippery slope to defend against criticism by saying it’s just

StalwartBraveTrue

7/29/21 12:01am

Which risks are you picking in regards to the vaccine?

StalwartBraveTrue

7/28/21 3:10pm

My point is not about BYU football players. I agree with you, they should get

SnickSnack

7/28/21 5:12pm

Context matters. Elevated from nothing to almost nothing is low risk, yes.

WP17

7/28/21 10:05am

Fatal Heart Inflammation Officially Recognized as Being Caused by Pfizer Vax

TutumTeRoboreReddam

7/28/21 12:17pm

Just look at the brazen serpent - it's easy. Maybe too easy for many

CougarGregor

7/28/21 2:06pm

LOW? By comparison to what?

LEDSFW

7/28/21 1:43pm

It's really too bad how people have politicized something so vital. People love

fierce16

7/28/21 3:35pm

I did have a friend 34 yrs old, no problems, die from the vaccine.

coolblue

7/28/21 5:03pm

RE: I did have a friend 34 yrs old, no problems, die from the vaccine.

ebv

7/28/21 11:21pm

Testing protocols will drive them to want to be tested. Especially when they get quarantined the first time for being

Rhino84

7/28/21 9:23am

I would’ve thought so, but apparently not.

The Y's Insider

7/28/21 10:08am

I'm more concerned that BYU is opening itself up to lawsuits because some dumb

panacablue

7/28/21 9:24am

I don't think he gave out any personal private health info

Brigham

7/28/21 9:25am

What lawsuit would the AD get into when he says half the team is not vaccinated?

BYUheaven

7/28/21 9:26am

54.2% of Utahns are not fully vaccinated. I am glad I am on an anonymous

BYUheaven

7/28/21 9:33am

On what basis? He can tel you specifically which players aren’t vaccinated with

StalwartBraveTrue

7/28/21 10:47am

No personal information was revealed.

ArcticKat

7/28/21 9:29am

RE: I'm more concerned that BYU is opening itself up to lawsuits because some

imdocrob

7/28/21 9:35am

That’s an astute take - has DeekLawyer been advising you on HIPAA?

spinner

7/28/21 9:42am

RE: That’s an astute take - has DeekLawyer been advising you on HIPAA?

imdocrob

7/28/21 9:46am

The AD could give you the specific name of the unvaccinated player

sidsie716

7/28/21 2:14pm

This could lead to canceled games

Hinta

7/28/21 9:28am

And/or players sitting out of games. Both are not good options.

Benfica1

7/28/21 9:53am

Maybe some players are still setting up their labs to do their own research

Belboz

7/28/21 9:29am

What percentage of the unvaccinated had Covid already b/c natural immunity?

thecthdox

7/28/21 9:33am

Great point!

Fervent Cougar

7/28/21 9:49am

Why do we keep talking about natural immunity? Are we immune from the flu?

FanofBYU

7/28/21 11:07am

“Influenza” includes at least 4 genus of viruses, with each genus comprising of many subtypes. The complexity with

cheezedawg

7/28/21 11:44am

Well flu mutates much quicker than Covid for one, two their are studies that

thecthdox

7/28/21 1:37pm

Rep. Clay Higgins of Louisiana got infected this week for a second time

ryebrye

7/29/21 8:44am

I'm not sure your sentence makes sense but

IgnoreThem

7/29/21 9:43am

They’ve all had Covid whether symptomatic or asymptomatic.

kotacoug

7/28/21 9:34am

Weird.

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