Didn't a lot of the players already get it last year (especially prior to the start of the season)?

Didn't BYU say they will charge the students for the test? I'd have to imagine

P-Boy Squad

7/28/21 9:21am

Yeah the risks of the vaccine are so low, I’m surprised more haven’t gotten it

Run-DMT

7/28/21 9:22am

Yeah. The risks to COVID is so low I am surprised anyone is still pushing it.

jrifkin48

7/28/21 9:42am

You don't think missing multiple weeks of your football season being in

kimdaddy35

7/28/21 10:10am

I wouldn't ignore long-term risks for short sighted gains.

jrifkin48

7/28/21 10:34am

It is not gene therapy. Please don't spread dumb ideas.

Bolso

7/28/21 10:43am

Can we agree that it isn't a traditional vaccine then?

jrifkin48

7/28/21 10:57am

Did you get the J&J vaccine then?

ldssdl

7/28/21 11:13am

I got the Moderna back in March...it was for work requirements

jrifkin48

7/28/21 11:21am

Follow the science without the politics and you'll understand better

Bolso

7/28/21 11:31am

I have no issue with the shot (its not a traditional vaccine).

jrifkin48

7/28/21 11:55am

Before and after clinical trials were completed

Bolso

7/28/21 12:18pm

Your statement is completely false. Biden’s comments were not a before/after

dawgbite

7/28/21 12:56pm

Pfizer shot was approved December 11.

Bolso

7/28/21 3:15pm

I think we have a great grasp of the risk of major side effects with 100's of millions delivered. Short-term risk reward

Trent

7/29/21 10:38am

Kind of reasonable response. But there isn't about zero risk of an issue

IgnoreThem

7/29/21 10:50am

And a reasonable, logical response back. So people on opposite sides of this can have a respectful conversation. 😉

Trent

7/29/21 11:31am

Traditional vaccines? Well, vaccines are of several types and they are all

84 natlchamps

7/28/21 5:44pm

Have you sprouted your third arm yet?

Delicate Genius

7/28/21 7:42pm

Explain how strongly encouraging scholarship football players is any different than your employer requiring vaccination

antiyewt

7/28/21 7:59pm

Don't need to get yourself and others upset about "gene therapy" when it isn't

Bolso

7/28/21 11:22am

Wrong regarding Pfizer and, I believe, Moderna. They are using a CRISPR RNA

Jasbo

7/28/21 12:37pm

Here is the $1M question. Why is it still allowed? It has a waiver because

ImuaKahuku

7/28/21 2:22pm

Please, enlighten us all with your blood sample research. Using actual sources.

IgnoreThem

7/29/21 7:22am

You can begin with Dr. Peter McCullough and his findings and writings. He gives

ImuaKahuku

7/29/21 8:39am

Oh please. A cable TV talking head. I'm wasting my time.

IgnoreThem

7/29/21 9:37am

Simply dismiss him with no evidence. I server only one Master

ImuaKahuku

7/30/21 6:11am

Please explain what it is then.

ImuaKahuku

7/28/21 1:50pm

It is mRNA getting translated by your cells

Bolso

7/28/21 2:04pm

Fascinating how many act like they know what it is based off of political

StalwartBraveTrue

7/28/21 2:19pm

Good point, which is funny

stoils

7/28/21 3:57pm

I wasn’t aware of that. I don’t give a hoot about GMOs.

StalwartBraveTrue

7/28/21 11:31pm

What a strange thing to say

fatcracker

7/28/21 10:44am

It's been around for less than a year. What a strange thing to say.

jrifkin48

7/28/21 10:46am

Random people talking about stuff they don't know anything about is also strange

Bolso

7/28/21 11:11am

Of the Moderna, J&J and Pfizer shots, which one is a traditional vaccine?

jrifkin48

7/28/21 11:24am

J&J is traditional. And I am defending the mRNA ones, did you read?

Bolso

7/28/21 12:05pm

Both y’all madly on Google right now looking up info on these vaccines. Zero cougar boarders changed their view

Honor Code

7/28/21 12:36pm

Wrong! My MD in virology is from DuckDuckGo. I don't trust the Googles

jrifkin48

7/28/21 1:21pm

^^^ New to CB ^^^

DirtyWater

7/28/21 11:32am

So should those that have had COVID still get the vaccine?

Cnation

7/28/21 6:34pm

Yet you speak of long-term effects.

civilcoug

7/28/21 1:20pm

It's been worked on and developed over decades. It's not something brand new.

So it goes...

7/28/21 1:41pm

They’ve been working with the technology for years

I'mBatman

7/28/21 7:48pm

But it’s still a trial…

Cnation

7/28/21 8:24pm

It. Is. Not. A. Trial.

StalwartBraveTrue

7/28/21 11:35pm

RE: It. Is. Not. A. Trial.

Cnation

7/29/21 3:18pm

So we agree.

StalwartBraveTrue

7/29/21 6:30pm

RE: So we agree.

Cnation

7/29/21 9:17pm

Agree. And I’m glad no one is being forced to get it. Freedom first.

StalwartBraveTrue

7/30/21 8:35am

Why assume there will be long-term effects? That seems so short sighted.

FanofBYU

7/28/21 10:54am

Every 90+ year old should get the shot

stoils

7/28/21 4:02pm

Oh wow, this is such an ignorant take. This is not gene

kimdaddy35

7/28/21 11:30am

Friend i used to work with (who’s dad is on this board) has been in and out of

Powerbait DPM

7/28/21 3:23pm

Myocarditis is at least as prevalent in those who had COVID 19.

IgnoreThem

7/28/21 6:59pm

Yeah I’m not trying to discredit anyone. Just show why there is fear. Nobody I

Powerbait DPM

7/28/21 9:01pm

I get that people come from different starting points on this issue. But we

StalwartBraveTrue

7/28/21 11:44pm

Wow getting COVID, I'll ignore long term risk. Made up long term risks

Baron

7/28/21 4:15pm

Why are those with the vaccine so concerned about those who have not?

brick oven

7/29/21 8:39am

Their idiotic views push the idiotic government to do idiotic things and they pu

Baron

7/29/21 12:21pm

For me, it affects my family, workplace and possibly my kids schooling.

StalwartBraveTrue

7/29/21 12:50pm

is it the virus affecting you or the reactions to the virus affecting you

brick oven

7/29/21 2:29pm

Yeah, Tea and Crumpets was TIC…kind of

StalwartBraveTrue

7/29/21 5:36pm

Yeah, tea and crumpets part was tic…or was it

StalwartBraveTrue

7/29/21 6:03pm

Tell that to the 4,197,319 Who have died from COVID-19 so far

kC Cougar

7/28/21 10:32am

How many in the age range of 18-24?

Huge Manatee

7/28/21 10:36am

If you are younger than 24 regular flu Is more deadly

Osteotome

7/28/21 6:17pm

And how many young athletes are these?

jrifkin48

7/28/21 10:38am

And none of those are 18-23 y.o. D1 CFB players

Backcountry

7/28/21 10:38am

Jamain Stephans was D1 lineman, dead from Covid-19

Mabuhay Coug

7/28/21 2:38pm

Guess we can force the 79 yo diabetics

Born2Fish

7/28/21 10:39am

Call and ask Tristan Hoge if he wishes he had access to a vaccine to prevent his

StalwartBraveTrue

7/28/21 10:44am

And hopefully none of them miss games due to blood clots.

ochobeeguy

7/28/21 2:55pm

Yes. Because the risk of that is sooooo high.

StalwartBraveTrue

7/28/21 2:59pm

what of the risk of myocarditis

brick oven

7/29/21 8:55am

RE: what of the risk of myocarditis

StalwartBraveTrue

7/29/21 1:01pm

your argument is I wonder what Tristen would say? well these are grown men...

brick oven

7/29/21 2:59pm

HIV is not a communicable respiratory disease transmitted by breathing in

StalwartBraveTrue

7/29/21 6:39pm

Your baker analogy is stale since CO just ruled the opposite on another case now

stoils

7/30/21 7:15am

It looks like 3 people confused potd for wpotd.

fbguru

7/28/21 11:08am

There has to be more people like me who know the risk of Covid is low/aren’t

ColonelMustard

7/28/21 1:40pm

RE: Yeah. The risks to COVID is so low I am surprised anyone is still pushing

akbarishiwatsu

7/28/21 4:22pm

Risks of COVID, even to the young adult, is orders of magnitude higher than vax

MDub1

7/28/21 4:35pm

I love how we used to think anti-vaxxers

Burton162

7/28/21 10:09pm

who are they going to infect that you are so concerned about?

brick oven

7/29/21 8:58am

Exactly.. people complain about "big pharma" and then go pop their advil and

GhostRider

7/29/21 11:50am

CDC warned about elevated cases of myocarditis in teens that get vaccinated. Is

DoseOfReality

7/28/21 9:48am

Yes, it is very low risk.

Scratch

7/28/21 10:01am

As is Covid…. Extremely low risk for that age group. Almost zero risk for health

kotacoug

7/28/21 10:31am

Yes. Young healthy people have died from complications related to COVID.

FanofBYU

7/28/21 11:00am

You can’t argue that the vaccine is safe and then turn around and note the

kotacoug

7/28/21 11:17am

Actually, the Delta variant is infecting people in their 20s and 30s. The risk

FanofBYU

7/29/21 12:58pm

I heard it isn't hitting anyone hard. It's a weaker strain.

ImuaKahuku

7/28/21 1:48pm

Then how do you explain the increase in hospitalizations and deaths?

FanofBYU

7/29/21 12:58pm

Wait, what's this Delta variant. This is the first I've heard of this.

ochobeeguy

7/28/21 2:56pm

You’re weighing the wrong risks here.

StalwartBraveTrue

7/28/21 2:31pm

The true craziness are the policies regarding Covid. You sound like when the car

kotacoug

7/28/21 8:44pm

I love that when it gets down to it the real issue is politics and not risk.

StalwartBraveTrue

7/28/21 11:46pm

If you are young and only weighing the risk of death from COVID versus

SnickSnack

7/28/21 12:02pm

Care to share your numbers? I’ve never seen this claim backed up with real data.

StalwartBraveTrue

7/28/21 2:32pm

Not my numbers. This comes from Geert Vanden Bossche PHD. He is an

SnickSnack

7/28/21 5:02pm

Thanks. I’ll have to go look him up and see what he says.

StalwartBraveTrue

7/28/21 6:15pm

Solid post, and I appreciate this paragraph

So it goes...

7/28/21 6:23pm

Good post and I think we agree more than we disagree. My point about freedom is

SnickSnack

7/28/21 10:10pm

You are right, we agree on a lot.

StalwartBraveTrue

7/28/21 11:57pm

Outstanding post. Thank you.

FanofBYU

7/29/21 1:04pm

The doctor you are referencing here has a reputation for taking a piece of truth

jamfam

7/28/21 10:18pm

Are you sure you aren’t talking about Snopes and not this doctor? They fit the

SnickSnack

7/28/21 10:35pm

You posted a YouTube video... Then defended him by saying he

jamfam

7/28/21 11:19pm

I think it’s a slippery slope to defend against criticism by saying it’s just

StalwartBraveTrue

7/29/21 12:01am

Which risks are you picking in regards to the vaccine?

StalwartBraveTrue

7/28/21 3:10pm

My point is not about BYU football players. I agree with you, they should get

SnickSnack

7/28/21 5:12pm

Context matters. Elevated from nothing to almost nothing is low risk, yes.

WP17

7/28/21 10:05am

Fatal Heart Inflammation Officially Recognized as Being Caused by Pfizer Vax

TutumTeRoboreReddam

7/28/21 12:17pm

Just look at the brazen serpent - it's easy. Maybe too easy for many

CougarGregor

7/28/21 2:06pm

LOW? By comparison to what?

LEDSFW

7/28/21 1:43pm

It's really too bad how people have politicized something so vital. People love

fierce16

7/28/21 3:35pm

I did have a friend 34 yrs old, no problems, die from the vaccine.

coolblue

7/28/21 5:03pm

RE: I did have a friend 34 yrs old, no problems, die from the vaccine.

ebv

7/28/21 11:21pm

Testing protocols will drive them to want to be tested. Especially when they get quarantined the first time for being

Rhino84

7/28/21 9:23am

I would’ve thought so, but apparently not.

The Y's Insider

7/28/21 10:08am

I'm more concerned that BYU is opening itself up to lawsuits because some dumb

panacablue

7/28/21 9:24am

I don't think he gave out any personal private health info

Brigham

7/28/21 9:25am

What lawsuit would the AD get into when he says half the team is not vaccinated?

BYUheaven

7/28/21 9:26am

54.2% of Utahns are not fully vaccinated. I am glad I am on an anonymous

BYUheaven

7/28/21 9:33am

On what basis? He can tel you specifically which players aren’t vaccinated with

StalwartBraveTrue

7/28/21 10:47am

No personal information was revealed.

ArcticKat

7/28/21 9:29am

RE: I'm more concerned that BYU is opening itself up to lawsuits because some

imdocrob

7/28/21 9:35am

That’s an astute take - has DeekLawyer been advising you on HIPAA?

spinner

7/28/21 9:42am

RE: That’s an astute take - has DeekLawyer been advising you on HIPAA?

imdocrob

7/28/21 9:46am

The AD could give you the specific name of the unvaccinated player

sidsie716

7/28/21 2:14pm

This could lead to canceled games

Hinta

7/28/21 9:28am

And/or players sitting out of games. Both are not good options.

Benfica1

7/28/21 9:53am

Maybe some players are still setting up their labs to do their own research

Belboz

7/28/21 9:29am

What percentage of the unvaccinated had Covid already b/c natural immunity?

thecthdox

7/28/21 9:33am

Great point!

Fervent Cougar

7/28/21 9:49am

Why do we keep talking about natural immunity? Are we immune from the flu?

FanofBYU

7/28/21 11:07am

“Influenza” includes at least 4 genus of viruses, with each genus comprising of many subtypes. The complexity with

cheezedawg

7/28/21 11:44am

Well flu mutates much quicker than Covid for one, two their are studies that

thecthdox

7/28/21 1:37pm

Rep. Clay Higgins of Louisiana got infected this week for a second time

ryebrye

7/29/21 8:44am

I'm not sure your sentence makes sense but

IgnoreThem

7/29/21 9:43am

They’ve all had Covid whether symptomatic or asymptomatic.

kotacoug

7/28/21 9:34am

Weird.

Social Distance

7/28/21 9:35am

Yeah, COVID19 probably won't kill them so there's nothing to worry about.

Belboz

7/28/21 9:39am

Other than infection and death (both covered in my post) what else is there?

Social Distance

7/28/21 9:41am

I remember when Jimmer Fredette got mono. It didn't kill him. no big deal.

Belboz

7/28/21 9:45am

I guess he should have gotten the covid vaccine.

Social Distance

7/28/21 9:53am

Even if what you say is true, the NCAA could keep them out of games if they are

Brigham

7/28/21 9:45am

But do you have any idea how difficult it is to get vaccinated?

Belboz

7/28/21 9:48am

The vaccine does not prevent exposure.

Social Distance

7/28/21 9:48am

No, it doesn't. But the rules will say exposure doesn't matter if vaccinated

Brigham

7/28/21 9:53am

That sucks.

Social Distance

7/28/21 9:59am

Most of the team got it?

fattycoug

7/28/21 10:42am

RE: Concerned after talking to a friend in the AD.

Sea Chicken

7/28/21 9:36am

I was initially worried this had something to do with conference realignment...

yorksama

7/28/21 9:39am

After seeing what happened last year across the NCAA

Kilgruman