And have you read how both are thoroughly discredited?

Didn't BYU say they will charge the students for the test? I'd have to imagine

P-Boy Squad

7/28/21 9:21am

Yeah the risks of the vaccine are so low, I’m surprised more haven’t gotten it

Run-DMT

7/28/21 9:22am

Yeah. The risks to COVID is so low I am surprised anyone is still pushing it.

jrifkin48

7/28/21 9:42am

You don't think missing multiple weeks of your football season being in

kimdaddy35

7/28/21 10:10am

I wouldn't ignore long-term risks for short sighted gains.

jrifkin48

7/28/21 10:34am

It is not gene therapy. Please don't spread dumb ideas.

Bolso

7/28/21 10:43am

Can we agree that it isn't a traditional vaccine then?

jrifkin48

7/28/21 10:57am

Did you get the J&J vaccine then?

ldssdl

7/28/21 11:13am

I got the Moderna back in March...it was for work requirements

jrifkin48

7/28/21 11:21am

Follow the science without the politics and you'll understand better

Bolso

7/28/21 11:31am

I have no issue with the shot (its not a traditional vaccine).

jrifkin48

7/28/21 11:55am

Before and after clinical trials were completed

Bolso

7/28/21 12:18pm

Your statement is completely false. Biden’s comments were not a before/after

dawgbite

7/28/21 12:56pm

Pfizer shot was approved December 11.

Bolso

7/28/21 3:15pm

I think we have a great grasp of the risk of major side effects with 100's of millions delivered. Short-term risk reward

Trent

7/29/21 10:38am

Kind of reasonable response. But there isn't about zero risk of an issue

IgnoreThem

7/29/21 10:50am

And a reasonable, logical response back. So people on opposite sides of this can have a respectful conversation. 😉

Trent

7/29/21 11:31am

Traditional vaccines? Well, vaccines are of several types and they are all

84 natlchamps

7/28/21 5:44pm

Have you sprouted your third arm yet?

Delicate Genius

7/28/21 7:42pm

Explain how strongly encouraging scholarship football players is any different than your employer requiring vaccination

antiyewt

7/28/21 7:59pm

Don't need to get yourself and others upset about "gene therapy" when it isn't

Bolso

7/28/21 11:22am

Wrong regarding Pfizer and, I believe, Moderna. They are using a CRISPR RNA

Jasbo

7/28/21 12:37pm

Here is the $1M question. Why is it still allowed? It has a waiver because

ImuaKahuku

7/28/21 2:22pm

Please, enlighten us all with your blood sample research. Using actual sources.

IgnoreThem

7/29/21 7:22am

You can begin with Dr. Peter McCullough and his findings and writings. He gives

ImuaKahuku

7/29/21 8:39am

Oh please. A cable TV talking head. I'm wasting my time.

IgnoreThem

7/29/21 9:37am

Simply dismiss him with no evidence. I server only one Master

ImuaKahuku

7/30/21 6:11am

Please explain what it is then.

ImuaKahuku

7/28/21 1:50pm

It is mRNA getting translated by your cells

Bolso

7/28/21 2:04pm

Fascinating how many act like they know what it is based off of political

StalwartBraveTrue

7/28/21 2:19pm

Good point, which is funny

stoils

7/28/21 3:57pm

I wasn’t aware of that. I don’t give a hoot about GMOs.

StalwartBraveTrue

7/28/21 11:31pm

What a strange thing to say

fatcracker

7/28/21 10:44am

It's been around for less than a year. What a strange thing to say.

jrifkin48

7/28/21 10:46am

Random people talking about stuff they don't know anything about is also strange

Bolso

7/28/21 11:11am

Of the Moderna, J&J and Pfizer shots, which one is a traditional vaccine?

jrifkin48

7/28/21 11:24am

J&J is traditional. And I am defending the mRNA ones, did you read?

Bolso

7/28/21 12:05pm

Both y’all madly on Google right now looking up info on these vaccines. Zero cougar boarders changed their view

Honor Code

7/28/21 12:36pm

Wrong! My MD in virology is from DuckDuckGo. I don't trust the Googles

jrifkin48

7/28/21 1:21pm

^^^ New to CB ^^^

DirtyWater

7/28/21 11:32am

So should those that have had COVID still get the vaccine?

Cnation

7/28/21 6:34pm

Yet you speak of long-term effects.

civilcoug

7/28/21 1:20pm

It's been worked on and developed over decades. It's not something brand new.

So it goes...

7/28/21 1:41pm

They’ve been working with the technology for years

I'mBatman

7/28/21 7:48pm

But it’s still a trial…

Cnation

7/28/21 8:24pm

It. Is. Not. A. Trial.

StalwartBraveTrue

7/28/21 11:35pm

RE: It. Is. Not. A. Trial.

Cnation

7/29/21 3:18pm

So we agree.

StalwartBraveTrue

7/29/21 6:30pm

RE: So we agree.

Cnation

7/29/21 9:17pm

Agree. And I’m glad no one is being forced to get it. Freedom first.

StalwartBraveTrue

7/30/21 8:35am

Why assume there will be long-term effects? That seems so short sighted.

FanofBYU

7/28/21 10:54am

Every 90+ year old should get the shot

stoils

7/28/21 4:02pm

Oh wow, this is such an ignorant take. This is not gene

kimdaddy35

7/28/21 11:30am

Friend i used to work with (who’s dad is on this board) has been in and out of

Powerbait DPM

7/28/21 3:23pm

Myocarditis is at least as prevalent in those who had COVID 19.

IgnoreThem

7/28/21 6:59pm

Yeah I’m not trying to discredit anyone. Just show why there is fear. Nobody I

Powerbait DPM

7/28/21 9:01pm

I get that people come from different starting points on this issue. But we

StalwartBraveTrue

7/28/21 11:44pm

Wow getting COVID, I'll ignore long term risk. Made up long term risks

Baron

7/28/21 4:15pm

Why are those with the vaccine so concerned about those who have not?

brick oven

7/29/21 8:39am

Their idiotic views push the idiotic government to do idiotic things and they pu

Baron

7/29/21 12:21pm

For me, it affects my family, workplace and possibly my kids schooling.

StalwartBraveTrue

7/29/21 12:50pm

is it the virus affecting you or the reactions to the virus affecting you

brick oven

7/29/21 2:29pm

Yeah, Tea and Crumpets was TIC…kind of

StalwartBraveTrue

7/29/21 5:36pm

Yeah, tea and crumpets part was tic…or was it

StalwartBraveTrue

7/29/21 6:03pm

Tell that to the 4,197,319 Who have died from COVID-19 so far

kC Cougar

7/28/21 10:32am

How many in the age range of 18-24?

Huge Manatee

7/28/21 10:36am

If you are younger than 24 regular flu Is more deadly

Osteotome

7/28/21 6:17pm

And how many young athletes are these?

jrifkin48

7/28/21 10:38am

And none of those are 18-23 y.o. D1 CFB players

Backcountry

7/28/21 10:38am

Jamain Stephans was D1 lineman, dead from Covid-19

Mabuhay Coug

7/28/21 2:38pm

Guess we can force the 79 yo diabetics

Born2Fish

7/28/21 10:39am

Call and ask Tristan Hoge if he wishes he had access to a vaccine to prevent his

StalwartBraveTrue

7/28/21 10:44am

And hopefully none of them miss games due to blood clots.

ochobeeguy

7/28/21 2:55pm

Yes. Because the risk of that is sooooo high.

StalwartBraveTrue

7/28/21 2:59pm

what of the risk of myocarditis

brick oven

7/29/21 8:55am

RE: what of the risk of myocarditis

StalwartBraveTrue

7/29/21 1:01pm

your argument is I wonder what Tristen would say? well these are grown men...

brick oven

7/29/21 2:59pm

HIV is not a communicable respiratory disease transmitted by breathing in

StalwartBraveTrue

7/29/21 6:39pm

Your baker analogy is stale since CO just ruled the opposite on another case now

stoils

7/30/21 7:15am

It looks like 3 people confused potd for wpotd.

fbguru

7/28/21 11:08am

There has to be more people like me who know the risk of Covid is low/aren’t

ColonelMustard

7/28/21 1:40pm

RE: Yeah. The risks to COVID is so low I am surprised anyone is still pushing

akbarishiwatsu

7/28/21 4:22pm

Risks of COVID, even to the young adult, is orders of magnitude higher than vax

MDub1

7/28/21 4:35pm

I love how we used to think anti-vaxxers

Burton162

7/28/21 10:09pm

who are they going to infect that you are so concerned about?

brick oven

7/29/21 8:58am

Exactly.. people complain about "big pharma" and then go pop their advil and

GhostRider

7/29/21 11:50am

CDC warned about elevated cases of myocarditis in teens that get vaccinated. Is

DoseOfReality

7/28/21 9:48am

Yes, it is very low risk.

Scratch

7/28/21 10:01am

As is Covid…. Extremely low risk for that age group. Almost zero risk for health

kotacoug

7/28/21 10:31am

Yes. Young healthy people have died from complications related to COVID.

FanofBYU

7/28/21 11:00am

You can’t argue that the vaccine is safe and then turn around and note the

kotacoug

7/28/21 11:17am

Actually, the Delta variant is infecting people in their 20s and 30s. The risk

FanofBYU

7/29/21 12:58pm

I heard it isn't hitting anyone hard. It's a weaker strain.

ImuaKahuku

7/28/21 1:48pm

Then how do you explain the increase in hospitalizations and deaths?

FanofBYU

7/29/21 12:58pm

Wait, what's this Delta variant. This is the first I've heard of this.

ochobeeguy

7/28/21 2:56pm

You’re weighing the wrong risks here.

StalwartBraveTrue

7/28/21 2:31pm

The true craziness are the policies regarding Covid. You sound like when the car

kotacoug

7/28/21 8:44pm

I love that when it gets down to it the real issue is politics and not risk.

StalwartBraveTrue

7/28/21 11:46pm

If you are young and only weighing the risk of death from COVID versus

SnickSnack

7/28/21 12:02pm

Care to share your numbers? I’ve never seen this claim backed up with real data.

StalwartBraveTrue

7/28/21 2:32pm

Not my numbers. This comes from Geert Vanden Bossche PHD. He is an

SnickSnack

7/28/21 5:02pm

Thanks. I’ll have to go look him up and see what he says.

StalwartBraveTrue

7/28/21 6:15pm

Solid post, and I appreciate this paragraph

So it goes...

7/28/21 6:23pm

Good post and I think we agree more than we disagree. My point about freedom is

SnickSnack

7/28/21 10:10pm

You are right, we agree on a lot.

StalwartBraveTrue

7/28/21 11:57pm

Outstanding post. Thank you.

FanofBYU

7/29/21 1:04pm

The doctor you are referencing here has a reputation for taking a piece of truth

jamfam

7/28/21 10:18pm

Are you sure you aren’t talking about Snopes and not this doctor? They fit the

SnickSnack

7/28/21 10:35pm

You posted a YouTube video... Then defended him by saying he

jamfam

7/28/21 11:19pm

I think it’s a slippery slope to defend against criticism by saying it’s just

StalwartBraveTrue

7/29/21 12:01am

Which risks are you picking in regards to the vaccine?

StalwartBraveTrue

7/28/21 3:10pm

My point is not about BYU football players. I agree with you, they should get

SnickSnack

7/28/21 5:12pm

Context matters. Elevated from nothing to almost nothing is low risk, yes.

WP17

7/28/21 10:05am

Fatal Heart Inflammation Officially Recognized as Being Caused by Pfizer Vax

TutumTeRoboreReddam

7/28/21 12:17pm

Just look at the brazen serpent - it's easy. Maybe too easy for many

CougarGregor

7/28/21 2:06pm

LOW? By comparison to what?

LEDSFW

7/28/21 1:43pm

It's really too bad how people have politicized something so vital. People love

fierce16

7/28/21 3:35pm

I did have a friend 34 yrs old, no problems, die from the vaccine.

coolblue

7/28/21 5:03pm

RE: I did have a friend 34 yrs old, no problems, die from the vaccine.

ebv

7/28/21 11:21pm

Testing protocols will drive them to want to be tested. Especially when they get quarantined the first time for being

Rhino84

7/28/21 9:23am

I would’ve thought so, but apparently not.

The Y's Insider

7/28/21 10:08am

I'm more concerned that BYU is opening itself up to lawsuits because some dumb

panacablue

7/28/21 9:24am

I don't think he gave out any personal private health info

Brigham

7/28/21 9:25am

What lawsuit would the AD get into when he says half the team is not vaccinated?

BYUheaven

7/28/21 9:26am

54.2% of Utahns are not fully vaccinated. I am glad I am on an anonymous

BYUheaven

7/28/21 9:33am

On what basis? He can tel you specifically which players aren’t vaccinated with

StalwartBraveTrue

7/28/21 10:47am

No personal information was revealed.

ArcticKat

7/28/21 9:29am

RE: I'm more concerned that BYU is opening itself up to lawsuits because some

imdocrob

7/28/21 9:35am

That’s an astute take - has DeekLawyer been advising you on HIPAA?

spinner

7/28/21 9:42am

RE: That’s an astute take - has DeekLawyer been advising you on HIPAA?

imdocrob

7/28/21 9:46am

The AD could give you the specific name of the unvaccinated player

sidsie716

7/28/21 2:14pm

This could lead to canceled games

Hinta

7/28/21 9:28am

And/or players sitting out of games. Both are not good options.

Benfica1

7/28/21 9:53am

Maybe some players are still setting up their labs to do their own research

Belboz

7/28/21 9:29am

What percentage of the unvaccinated had Covid already b/c natural immunity?

thecthdox

7/28/21 9:33am

Great point!

Fervent Cougar

7/28/21 9:49am

Why do we keep talking about natural immunity? Are we immune from the flu?

FanofBYU

7/28/21 11:07am

“Influenza” includes at least 4 genus of viruses, with each genus comprising of many subtypes. The complexity with

cheezedawg

7/28/21 11:44am

Well flu mutates much quicker than Covid for one, two their are studies that

thecthdox

7/28/21 1:37pm

Rep. Clay Higgins of Louisiana got infected this week for a second time

ryebrye

7/29/21 8:44am

I'm not sure your sentence makes sense but

IgnoreThem

7/29/21 9:43am

They’ve all had Covid whether symptomatic or asymptomatic.

kotacoug

7/28/21 9:34am

Weird.

Social Distance

7/28/21 9:35am

Yeah, COVID19 probably won't kill them so there's nothing to worry about.

Belboz

7/28/21 9:39am

Other than infection and death (both covered in my post) what else is there?

Social Distance

7/28/21 9:41am

I remember when Jimmer Fredette got mono. It didn't kill him. no big deal.

Belboz

7/28/21 9:45am

I guess he should have gotten the covid vaccine.

Social Distance

7/28/21 9:53am

Even if what you say is true, the NCAA could keep them out of games if they are

Brigham

7/28/21 9:45am

But do you have any idea how difficult it is to get vaccinated?

Belboz

7/28/21 9:48am

The vaccine does not prevent exposure.

Social Distance

7/28/21 9:48am

No, it doesn't. But the rules will say exposure doesn't matter if vaccinated

Brigham

7/28/21 9:53am

That sucks.

Social Distance

7/28/21 9:59am

Most of the team got it?

fattycoug

7/28/21 10:42am

RE: Concerned after talking to a friend in the AD.

Sea Chicken

7/28/21 9:36am

I was initially worried this had something to do with conference realignment...

yorksama

7/28/21 9:39am

After seeing what happened last year across the NCAA

Kilgruman

7/28/21 9:40am

How about they just adjust the stupid rules, restrictions, testing and policies

kotacoug

7/28/21 9:44am

Didn't a lot of the players already get it last year (especially prior to the start of the season)?

Indy Coug

7/28/21 9:46am

Weird thing to worry about

Backcountry

7/28/21 9:47am

Yeah, weird to worry about starters missing games.

The Y's Insider

7/28/21 10:06am

Which highly inaccurate covid test are we using this year?

mokelembembe

7/28/21 9:48am

Amen to that! Those things often pick up fragments of viruses & aren't accurate!

Fervent Cougar

7/28/21 9:51am

I got vaccinated because I coach soccer and didn't want anything to make me sit

Benfica1

7/28/21 9:53am

Not true. My son is on the team and most are vaccinated and the admin basically

cornellcoug

7/28/21 10:07am

That sounds more correct. Jaylon Vickers and a few others have been outspoken

cougfan03

7/28/21 10:26am

He said they have exact numbers and it is below 50%. He would know.

The Y's Insider

7/28/21 10:53am

How would your son know who had been vaccinated?

(Private)

7/29/21 8:32pm

What is rumor and what is fact are very important. I'm not buying this rumor.

Stev_ie

7/28/21 10:30am

Its a political and religious affiliation bias

CougarGregor

7/28/21 11:13am

Yes and liberals were against it because Trump was touting the vaccine. Now they

SoValleyCOUG

7/28/21 11:33am

And the other side was against it because they viewed it as an election day ploy

jrifkin48

7/28/21 11:39am

Now the vaccine is proven, so it can be supported... capiche?

Bolso

7/28/21 12:28pm

Wait what was proven between Kamala being against it and for it?

DiamondMo

7/28/21 12:33pm

The CDC just said that vaccinated people can still get the virus, so why get a

SoValleyCOUG

7/28/21 11:31am

98-99% of current Covid hospitalizations and deaths are non-vaccinated people

CougarGregor

7/28/21 1:35pm

So when the CDC comes out yesterday and says that vaccinated people are getting

SoValleyCOUG

7/28/21 1:56pm

It's what we were originally told - 70% effective. Look at the brazen serpent

CougarGregor

7/28/21 2:04pm

Maybe it is a blessing and I'm not anti vaccine. However I don't want to get it

SoValleyCOUG

7/28/21 2:36pm

1- you’re off by an order of magnitude. 2- no.. serious illness risk is near 0

WP17

7/28/21 3:42pm

You’re looking at the wrong statistics. Hospitalizations/deaths are wayyyy down

WP17

7/28/21 2:11pm

And there is a 99.8% chance I beat covid ifI get it.Follow the statistics right!

SoValleyCOUG

7/28/21 2:38pm

It’s about 98.6%. But multiply that across a population and get back to me

WP17

7/28/21 3:38pm

That's IF you believe all the numbers being reported as covid deaths. I don't.

SoValleyCOUG

7/28/21 3:44pm

You’re claiming a 10x lower death rate. That’s tin foil hat stuff

WP17

7/28/21 4:07pm

Did i give you a number? No. And it seems as if you'll digest anything Fauci say

SoValleyCOUG

7/28/21 5:41pm

Uh… your number is 4 threads up. And I think Fauci is a fool.

WP17

7/28/21 5:43pm

You need to re-read what i wrote. I didn't give you a DEATH number.

SoValleyCOUG

7/28/21 6:25pm

That’s… the… same thing… 🤦🏻‍♂️

WP17

7/28/21 6:43pm

Wow a death rate and survival rate over 99%!! Amazing math!

SoValleyCOUG

7/28/21 11:10pm

*inverse*

WP17

7/29/21 6:09am

Gotta back up SoValley here

stoils

7/29/21 12:19pm

Look at link below, they estimate for undercounted cases.

WP17

7/29/21 1:52pm

RE: That's IF you believe all the numbers being reported as covid deaths. I

jamfam

7/28/21 10:36pm

Yep the medical professionals I've spoken with are idiots with fake degrees.

SoValleyCOUG

7/28/21 11:15pm

IFR is where it’s at. What is the IFR? That is the real number we should be look

kotacoug

7/28/21 4:58pm

98.2% according to Johns Hopkins (accounts for undercounting cases)

WP17

7/28/21 5:04pm

Do you have a link to that?

kotacoug

7/28/21 8:44pm

Yep:

WP17

7/28/21 10:23pm

You can still get covid! This is no different than any other disease and vaccine!

Burton162

7/28/21 10:29pm

LOL! Not in science are ya?

Burton162

7/28/21 10:25pm

The amount of misinformation that has been bought into by people on

kbufcoug

7/28/21 11:36am

Misinformation is the new race card...i disagree w/you so it's misinformation

FMOCIE

7/28/21 11:55am

The amount of cluelessness on this site is astounding.

kbufcoug

7/28/21 11:56am

This may qualify for post of the day!!

Kilgruman

7/28/21 1:02pm

So do you have any evidence these aren’t safe? Or is it just one big coverup?

WP17