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Jul 20, 2018
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Monomachos
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Harvard takes race into consideration in achieving its "well-roundedness"; I
hope BYU does not make that a consideration.
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For what it is worth regarding BYU admissions
Carnac
7/19/18 12:41pm
Don't really like that directive. It amounts to a punishment for achievement
Skeptical Optimist
7/19/18 12:43pm
To play devil's advocate
Carnac
7/19/18 12:46pm
Yes. It is a church institution and to be fair it should accept the most-
byuwahoo
7/19/18 12:59pm
but it doesn't. they aren't being punished for doing well in GPA and ACT,
smokymountainrain
7/19/18 12:56pm
Every other school uses those metrics to decide who gets in. If BYU decides
Skeptical Optimist
7/19/18 1:12pm
fair. i just don't see it as a punishment, rather a reward for others. they
smokymountainrain
7/19/18 1:29pm
I'm sure the kid with the good grades and great test score who doesn't get
Skeptical Optimist
7/19/18 1:32pm
and maybe a crisis of faith for his/her whole family
byuwahoo
7/19/18 1:39pm
can't all be winners - some kid, somewhere is always going to feel like victim.
smokymountainrain
7/19/18 1:39pm
I think the thing you're missing in calling it a punishment
displacedute
7/19/18 1:40pm
I don't see that as true, either
CougarVeteran
7/19/18 7:19pm
BYU is very clear about their metrics, if you go to one of their presentations..
rmreitz
7/20/18 3:40pm
I wonder how this is actually implemented
Tricky
7/20/18 5:23pm
There are over 100K LDS HS Seniors every year in the US. Can't serve
Nat Gas Man
7/19/18 12:44pm
I don't think I like this.
JuicyJam
7/19/18 12:44pm
That is ridiculous and hopefully the person you spoke to is dead wrong about it. Rejecting the best and brightest so
Baron
7/19/18 12:46pm
Why do you think UVU is now the largest state school in Utah?
BYU Grounds
7/19/18 12:49pm
Because it is the best public University in the state.
BYUtka
7/19/18 1:05pm
lol. Its not better than the U. As much as I dislike the U its more rigorous than accepts anything with a
monkeycowboy
7/19/18 1:07pm
Then why are more students accepted to both choosing UVU over UofU?
BYUtka
7/19/18 1:09pm
how do you know this fact?
Nat Gas Man
7/19/18 1:16pm
It was widely published a year or more ago. It looked at all the schools in Utah
BYUtka
7/19/18 1:19pm
I looked again, still nothing.
displacedute
7/19/18 8:47pm
I found it.
displacedute
7/19/18 8:49pm
Not hard to find when it was on the first page of the board.
BYUtka
7/19/18 8:59pm
I actually looked at your old posts and found the one from last year.
displacedute
7/19/18 9:30pm
I shouldn't be surprised, you are a Yewt.
BYUtka
7/19/18 8:50pm
RE: I shouldn't be surprised, you are a Yewt.
displacedute
7/19/18 8:56pm
RE: Then why are more students accepted to both choosing UVU over UofU?
displacedute
7/19/18 1:17pm
So you are confirming that a UofU education is not worth the cost compared to
BYUtka
7/19/18 1:20pm
No, I'm saying you might take the cheaper option.
displacedute
7/19/18 1:28pm
Nope. UVU > Harvard i mean just look at its growth rate
monkeycowboy
7/19/18 1:38pm
Good point. UVU now the #1 school in America.
displacedute
7/19/18 1:50pm
How many kids, accepted to both are choosing UVU? UofU vs UVU, they are
BYUtka
7/19/18 1:56pm
Source?
displacedute
7/19/18 2:01pm
Des News I think. It was discussed at length on the board when the data came out
BYUtka
7/19/18 2:27pm
I looked and couldn't find it.
displacedute
7/19/18 2:30pm
And the circle comes around again. UVUs cost may have something to do with this also kids wanting to go to utah county.
monkeycowboy
7/19/18 2:02pm
Cost and location are part of the package that is better.
BYUtka
7/19/18 2:11pm
Agreed.
displacedute
7/19/18 2:15pm
Higher yield doesn't necessarily mean better academics
Resurgens
7/19/18 8:15pm
Probably lots of LDS kids that wanted the Provo "social" experience with other LDS kids.
Rhino84
7/20/18 10:47am
BYU is a different bird with different aims
Carnac
7/19/18 12:49pm
So glad that BYU rejecting a kid is BYU's way of telling them what is best for them because they can't do it otherwise.
Baron
7/19/18 12:52pm
Let them make that decision! Let each candidate that gets accepted to both BYU
byuwahoo
7/19/18 1:02pm
It's not rejecting the best and brightest. Just because you have a 32/4.0 does
RugbyCoug
7/19/18 12:52pm
The op was about rejecting "perfect" or the high achievers.
Baron
7/19/18 12:54pm
He's misinterpreting or making some inferences that are a little off track.
RugbyCoug
7/19/18 1:04pm
I have heard the same from BYU admissions people
rmreitz
7/20/18 3:44pm
If BYU wants to be more inclusive they should grow enrollment significantly
CaliWG
7/19/18 12:52pm
I suspect that they are wary of spending tithing dollars
Carnac
7/19/18 12:55pm
They have the money easily to expand.
Baron
7/19/18 12:56pm
I believe that BYU should increase the enrollment and student body significantly
Professor Coug
7/19/18 2:38pm
would you be ok if they went to 50K but doubled tuition
Nat Gas Man
7/19/18 4:24pm
Yes
NSFW
7/19/18 5:43pm
It is unfortunately true. BYU has gone to what they call a "holistic" approach. It's a way they can punish high
HarlemCoug
7/19/18 10:15pm
It isn't punishing scholastic achievement. It is considering more than just
rmreitz
7/20/18 3:47pm
GPA and ACT are the best metrics... they should be weighted accordingly. BYU should take the best. They don't and it's
HarlemCoug
7/20/18 9:04pm
You do realize that Harvard does the same thing. Execution might be different
LaserCoug
7/20/18 10:07pm
Harvard takes race into consideration in achieving its "well-roundedness"; I
Monomachos
7/20/18 10:46pm
I feel like there have been anecdotes on CB that suggest BYU also does.
Resurgens
7/21/18 7:44pm
So it should be only GPA & ACT, no essay, no extracurricular?
cougarmeister
7/22/18 3:42pm
BYU rightly uses multiple metrics to find the best students. They then wrongly reject applicants who have high
HarlemCoug
7/22/18 3:51pm
See my comments above
rmreitz
7/20/18 3:41pm
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trjohnson007
7/20/18 3:48pm
it is exactly 1% easier to get into BYU from outside of Utah. 1%.
HarlemCoug
7/20/18 9:02pm
Where did you get that from?Based from what?
CarolinaCoug
7/21/18 2:33pm
Mormon leaks published the administration's metrics. You get 1 point for going to high school outside of
HarlemCoug
7/21/18 3:57pm
Not true anymore. They have abandoned that methodology.
RugbyCoug
7/21/18 11:46pm
May not like it, but it makes sense.
lightmann
7/19/18 12:46pm
So just call it what it is...a lottery.
IceBlueCoug
7/19/18 12:47pm
I'm OK with this, but then please tell me the purpose of BYU?
Nat Gas Man
7/19/18 12:47pm
What does the purpose have to do with admissions critera to begin with?
Turnpike Lane
7/19/18 12:49pm
Seriously?
kccougar
7/19/18 12:50pm
Any admissions criteria could support the aim of BYU. Just as it did in the 80s when I got accepted.
Turnpike Lane
7/19/18 12:52pm
I hope this is true. This is good news.
bigbluecougar
7/19/18 12:48pm
My daughter had a similar experience
Brigham
7/19/18 12:48pm
sounds like BYU made the right choice. what was the problem again?
smokymountainrain
7/19/18 1:09pm
It was disappointing at first but We are happy now.
Brigham
7/19/18 4:03pm
No way they pass on "perfection" to share the wealth with other schools...
cougarnw
7/19/18 12:49pm
correct assessment based on my knowledge.
RugbyCoug
7/19/18 12:53pm
Hopefully the attached photo now counts for triple what it used to
darkcoug
7/19/18 12:50pm
Yep, the process completely changed starting this year. They got rid of the
fredgarvin
7/19/18 12:54pm
and they need to notify them very early on so that they don't lose out on
Nat Gas Man
7/19/18 12:59pm
The uncertainty is definitely frustrating. I'd also like to see an absolute
ArchbishopMitty
7/19/18 6:33pm
This needs to be fixed!!!!! Unless it is the prophet making the admission
byuwahoo
7/19/18 12:58pm
Essays are important to every school that is selective in enrollment
rmreitz
7/20/18 3:54pm
2 young men I know pretty well applied this year and I'm really frustrated
Rich Lather
7/19/18 12:59pm
Wow, that is very frustrating and telling. I hope they aren't placing too much
ArchbishopMitty
7/20/18 11:04am
If he is really a poor student he will be out after a year (academic suspension) and the other kid can take his place.
Rhino84
7/20/18 11:42am
I admire the objective, but they really need to let applicants and their
NewMexiCoug
7/19/18 1:01pm
There is not a lottery element. There is a judgement element. It's more like
RugbyCoug
7/19/18 1:07pm
Not a lottery
rmreitz
7/20/18 4:04pm
BYU admits they don't take all of the best academic students. They also admit they don't take all of the most well
HarlemCoug
7/20/18 9:08pm
No they don’t.
RugbyCoug
7/20/18 11:21pm
wrong - the front page of the application website admits it... they are now using a "holistic" approach which is an
HarlemCoug
7/21/18 4:00pm
I know several people who teach at BYU. They say that overall
Monomachos
7/19/18 1:05pm
That's different. The admissions change we're discussing just happened this year
j20
7/19/18 1:24pm
Uh-oh
Monomachos
7/19/18 1:44pm
It may even be the reason for the change
CougarVeteran
7/19/18 7:24pm
Also- the directive for this unusual ordering of priorities came from
Monomachos
7/19/18 1:08pm
What are the 7 or 8 factors that rank above GPA?
Phasor
7/19/18 1:10pm
Not literally the 8th or 9th. ACT and GPA are 2 or 8 or 9 factors that make up
RugbyCoug
7/19/18 1:11pm
No way GPA is that low in importance.
mudpupper
7/19/18 1:11pm
Those calling it a lottery system.... It isn't. The criteria has changed.
mudpupper
7/19/18 1:11pm
No, it sounds subjective
Nat Gas Man
7/19/18 1:17pm
that still doesn't make it a lottery
Kid_A
7/19/18 1:29pm
What it is, is scary. Like mods and el jefe on CB
CarolinaCoug
7/19/18 1:48pm
It probably leads to more diversity, not less
Odysseus
7/19/18 1:55pm
What kind of diversity?
byuwahoo
7/19/18 1:59pm
It's possible there is a high correlation of superb GPA/ACT scores to certain
Odysseus
7/19/18 2:08pm
I'm fine with taking all of those factors into consideration at the
byuwahoo
7/19/18 2:26pm
I’m with you there
Odysseus
7/19/18 3:54pm
Functionally it is if you have different human entities employing unidentified
ArchbishopMitty
7/19/18 6:36pm
The issue is $$$$$$! Cost of BYU vs other 'good" schools.and Seminary
CarolinaCoug
7/19/18 2:19pm
I'm in the camp that sees seminary as having eternal value, so I humbly disagree
byuwahoo
7/19/18 2:27pm
Thats fine. What did you learn in Seminary that people
CarolinaCoug
7/19/18 3:51pm
Same. I'd prefer my son to internalize the seminary lessons over much of his
LaserCoug
7/19/18 4:13pm
But what are you meaning? As a semunary grad
CarolinaCoug
7/19/18 5:16pm
Sure you can get it elsewhere but rarely in that volume and frequency
LaserCoug
7/19/18 5:46pm
There's more and more evidence piling up that acceptance to BYU is little more
ArchbishopMitty
7/19/18 6:28pm
Squishy non objective evaluations means whoever the admissions people like, most
CougarMandias
7/19/18 10:13pm
Genius. I guess they want the state of the academic program to match the
frontrowcougar
7/20/18 12:17am
Why do so many automatically assume that the students with the highest test
SWP
7/20/18 10:25am
If they work "far harder," how come their grades and even test scores are lower?
CougarMandias
7/20/18 1:21pm
You've never run into someone who doesn't have natural talent. They grind it
LaserCoug
7/21/18 9:58am
Bronco Mendenhall is in charge of admissions, check.
CougarMandias
7/21/18 11:20am
I'm highly skeptical. How would you know which students had high ACT scores?
frontrowcougar
7/20/18 1:22pm
He knows, because they applied
rmreitz
7/20/18 4:47pm
I'm just wondering, do you have a theory as to why so many kids that have been
ArchbishopMitty
7/20/18 3:53pm
you don't teach statistics do you??? are you the guy on CB who thinks having 3 star football players is better than 5
HarlemCoug
7/20/18 9:10pm
I can finally sleep knowing that my 3.2 GPA and no ACT score aren't what kept me
Ned Schneebly
7/20/18 11:53am
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