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Most women I know choose to work.
They find being a stay at home mom insanely boring and a waste of their talent and education.
I think it's odd when smart, capable women with children in school don't work. What do they do all day? Blog, craft, and waste time in the PTA...ugh.
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Anybody else notice an upward trend of women in the church working?
Mayor of Cougartown
8/21/14 12:59pm
Blame the lame husbands that can't provide appropriately for their family.
Malathion
8/21/14 1:01pm
yep, if you want a shot at allowing your wife to stay home you get a real degree
Mayor of Cougartown
8/21/14 1:06pm
my brother with a BA in history became a VP at his company after five years.
erkimust
8/21/14 1:20pm
If you're not planning on going on to get a graduate degree...
cougfanblue
8/21/14 1:24pm
you're not going to do much more with an MA or PhD in history than you will
erkimust
8/21/14 1:33pm
In 2010 and 2011, unemployment for recent BA's in history was about 9.5%
cougfanblue
8/21/14 1:57pm
yup, it's a tough market for history majors. but that doesn't make it not a real
erkimust
8/21/14 2:00pm
He was obviously using the word "real degree" as hyperbole.
cougfanblue
8/21/14 2:15pm
the condescension over "real degrees" is annoying. a degree has monetary value
erkimust
8/21/14 2:27pm
It's not a real degree.
There are those that do fine with a humanities
Texas Hammer
8/21/14 1:32pm
Degrees like history, philosphy, humanities, etc. are fine!
BearsandBulls
8/21/14 4:34pm
I seriously doubt you are a "die-hard libertarian" based on your posts about
Japan Coug
8/21/14 4:47pm
My libertarianism is eclipsed only by my pragmatism.
BearsandBulls
8/21/14 5:12pm
Has it occurred to you that illegal immigration exists mostly because of overly
Japan Coug
8/21/14 5:18pm
Illegal immigration exists primarly because of laxed enforcement and...
BearsandBulls
8/21/14 5:32pm
Nope. It's basic economics. Government imposes an artificial quota, and it
Japan Coug
8/21/14 5:42pm
Wrong. Free market principles only work when every participant in the game...
BearsandBulls
8/22/14 9:08am
I see you don't understand economics. Free market principles do not work *only*
Japan Coug
8/22/14 4:22pm
Wrong. By definition, it's not truly a "free market" unless the conditions I...
BearsandBulls
8/25/14 10:13am
That's not what you said initially
Freddie Cougar
8/25/14 10:28am
In order to be a truly "free market", they most assuredly do have to be...
BearsandBulls
8/25/14 10:39am
You're wrong
Freddie Cougar
8/25/14 10:46am
No, I'm not. Unless you're willing to change the definition of what a "free...
BearsandBulls
8/25/14 10:49am
Yes, you are.
Japan Coug
8/25/14 6:30pm
Freddie is exactly right
Japan Coug
8/25/14 6:58pm
outliers and exceptions, er'body likes to point em out. I have never met a perso
Mayor of Cougartown
8/21/14 1:41pm
and I've met a ton. weird. it's almost like you work in an industry that doesn't
erkimust
8/21/14 1:54pm
or your opinion is shaped cuz of what you decided to study and it has put you in
Mayor of Cougartown
8/21/14 1:59pm
I didn't study history or other humanities, I simply do not live in a bubble
erkimust
8/21/14 2:01pm
This post is incredible.
notorious p.i.g.
8/21/14 3:59pm
my undergrad was history
sdg_coug
8/21/14 2:06pm
My undergrad was history as well. And I agree it was a huge mistake.
eddog
8/21/14 9:06pm
Statistically speaking, he is an anomolly
badodo
8/21/14 1:48pm
stating facts and studies aren't as fun as getting offended and spouting out ano
Mayor of Cougartown
8/21/14 1:53pm
man, you guys keep trying, but you sure have a hard time with that word.
erkimust
8/21/14 1:58pm
ok.. but why put yourself at a disadvantage and a get degree in something that
Mayor of Cougartown
8/21/14 2:01pm
maybe because you do not want to be a mechanical engineer or do marketing?
erkimust
8/21/14 2:05pm
If there goal is to excel in the business world
badodo
8/21/14 2:27pm
that's fair. I do wonder to what extent expectations play a role in that
erkimust
8/21/14 2:39pm
Absolutely
badodo
8/21/14 2:47pm
good points. I think that will change, too. the market will force college
erkimust
8/21/14 2:52pm
social work is not part of the humanities, and also, and I know this is really
erkimust
8/21/14 1:55pm
Couldn't agree more but...
badodo
8/21/14 2:21pm
I agree that many people who study the humanities or pseudosciences are idiots
erkimust
8/21/14 2:33pm
On this we agree 100%
badodo
8/21/14 2:35pm
This post describes me to a T. I majored in History
eddog
8/21/14 9:41pm
Next year both of my kids will be in school full time and my wife will go back
BE-WHY-YOU
8/21/14 2:02pm
I know a pile of very wealthy attorneys with humanities degrees.
riboflavin
8/21/14 2:41pm
well yeah, they got law degrees?
Mayor of Cougartown
8/21/14 4:06pm
In fairness, I suspect it was their JD's, not their humanities degrees that have
BearsandBulls
8/21/14 4:11pm
They are good at their jobs because of the skills they learned in the
riboflavin
8/21/14 4:46pm
Our perception of what "provide appropriately" means has changed drastically
friscokid
8/21/14 1:07pm
That is part of it.
The Lone Wolf
8/21/14 1:08pm
some truth to this. People scoff when I tell them I don't have a data plan
Mayor of Cougartown
8/21/14 1:11pm
Get Republic Wireless....smart phone cost under $200 and monthly plan for each
sfeuz
8/21/14 1:21pm
Check out freedom Pop wireless. It has improved since they expanded the BYOD
BYUinTX
8/21/14 1:38pm
You're exactly right. I love the extra luxuries in life and my wife works PT
Crazy Cajun
8/21/14 1:14pm
its society. most people work. its okay .
johnnycarson
8/21/14 1:03pm
It's sad to see how church members are losing faith and not
conflictedcoug
8/21/14 1:04pm
TIC?
Texas Hammer
8/21/14 1:04pm
Absolutely not
conflictedcoug
8/21/14 1:06pm
the sad thing is some on CB would actually think that's true
El Joffrey
8/21/14 1:08pm
Yep, and for many other things besides working out of the home.
Texas Hammer
8/21/14 1:11pm
Judgmental much?
Bobby Dooley
8/21/14 1:10pm
So making a general observation about a societal trend is judgmental?
friscokid
8/21/14 1:23pm
Most women I know choose to work.
Guest
8/21/14 1:08pm
If you believe that mothers are only useful if kids are physically at home
8-track
8/21/14 1:13pm
This post is definitely not condescending
CSoul
8/21/14 1:14pm
if the guy makes a lot of money and the kids are all in school she probably
johnnycarson
8/21/14 1:15pm
Guess it depends on the number of kids and ages...between laundry,
Fdnman
8/21/14 1:53pm
Word. That's how it is in our house.
WDaddy
8/21/14 2:13pm
I've got 6 kids and my wife works full time.
Belboz
8/21/14 2:25pm
Nonjudgemental question..really
Fdnman
8/21/14 2:49pm
There are very few home duties that are exclusively hers.
Belboz
8/21/14 3:05pm
In other words, women are choosing to work instead of having more kids
hansel
8/21/14 1:16pm
Nothing like wasting time and talent caring for your children. Only dumb women
Mathlete
8/21/14 1:18pm
Are you married? Do you have kids. I would show this post to my wife but I
Real G Man
8/21/14 1:22pm
this attitude is as stupid as saying women shouldn't be allowed to work.
erkimust
8/21/14 1:24pm
There is a tremendous amount of good such a woman can do
Bergloewe
8/21/14 1:24pm
Can women have it all, or does something have to give? Atlantic article...
friscokid
8/21/14 1:35pm
Gee, I don't know, maybe these insanely smart and capable women
Ashtrash
8/21/14 3:56pm
10% is a lot. That is what some people
messi
8/21/14 1:11pm
I know many people that say they can't afford not to pay that 10%
Dread Pirate Westley
8/21/14 1:12pm
I find many of the women in our neighborhood, the vast majority are not LDS, are
Texas Hammer
8/21/14 1:12pm
Same.
kccougar
8/21/14 1:14pm
As a trend overall it's going down
CSoul
8/21/14 1:15pm
Those families need to reconsider their priorities
Mathlete
8/21/14 1:15pm
I find it very sad and embarrassing you are most likely serious.
El Joffrey
8/21/14 1:22pm
I am completely serious. If these families have truly streamlined and cut their
Mathlete
8/21/14 1:41pm
having two incomes isnt only necessary or good when you "need" it
El Joffrey
8/21/14 1:46pm
Isn't that a completely separate issue?
rcbyufan
8/21/14 2:19pm
and while they're at it cut the electric and water bills along with healthcare
DapperDan
8/21/14 2:00pm
I had to reread my post to see what you were getting at
Mathlete
8/21/14 2:05pm
The only thing you addressed are things you consider reasonable expenses
DapperDan
8/21/14 2:12pm
So you are saying that healthcare and electricity are luxuries? Possibly you
Mathlete
8/21/14 2:28pm
Civilization has flourished for thousands of years without either, why do you
DapperDan
8/21/14 2:36pm
What do you consider essential?
Mathlete
8/21/14 2:40pm
We all have our own forms of stupid. Don't be too quick to judge other's stupid
unctoothman
8/21/14 2:43pm
Bingo
DapperDan
8/21/14 3:04pm
ha ha ha ha ha. shut up, dude.
erkimust
8/21/14 1:25pm
My wife often comments on the working/non-working divide with women in the
Fdnman
8/21/14 1:18pm
I think there is some truth to this, although I feel that overwhelmingly, it is
Japan Coug
8/21/14 1:36pm
It's regional and depends on perspective.
BerkeleyCoug
8/21/14 1:43pm
Why on earth would you schedule an activity for the RS when
KingDave
8/21/14 1:49pm
I was not suggesting it was discriminating against stay at home moms. I was
BerkeleyCoug
8/21/14 1:52pm
Ah, gotcha.
KingDave
8/21/14 1:54pm
Not necessarily...just assuming stay at home moms can go to evening meetings
Fdnman
8/21/14 2:00pm
Yes. I live in the South, and when I tell anyone that my wife stays
hansel
8/21/14 1:49pm
I believe you're right. In our ward there are about a dozen working moms
KingDave
8/21/14 1:47pm
Interesting...must be the region because it is the exact opposite where we live
Fdnman
8/21/14 1:48pm
I think it just goes to show that this is a sensitive issue for women
KingDave
8/21/14 1:51pm
each ward should have two relief societies
sdg_coug
8/21/14 1:52pm
or maybe we all just need to embrace each other more and stop competing and
iceecoug
8/22/14 2:00pm
Definitely. Cost of living and inflation are rising faster than salaries are.
BearsandBulls
8/21/14 1:19pm
But here's the kicker - I do need those things. I can't do without them, so
Texas Hammer
8/21/14 1:20pm
You need a huge home, giant flat screen, and expensive vacations?
Mathlete
8/21/14 1:23pm
Yes. Yes I do, but I'm still a good person.
Texas Hammer
8/21/14 1:25pm
We all have needs I guess.
Mathlete
8/21/14 1:25pm
I'm being sarcastic, of course. I don't need that crap, and my wife doesn't
Texas Hammer
8/21/14 1:29pm
Not saying that we aren't just fine...but it isn't about lavish living. I am a
Fdnman
8/21/14 1:31pm
I understand that for some it is a necessity and things are tight
Mathlete
8/21/14 1:36pm
That's true...I could get by with a smaller house, or a nicer car, but I choose
Texas Hammer
8/21/14 1:44pm
Why feel guilty? I was only saying it was a problem if the choice to have more
Mathlete
8/21/14 1:50pm
Only caveat to that is as more of the general population become two income
Fdnman
8/21/14 1:22pm
Have you also noticed that the church does not mention that mom's should
Ycrazy
8/21/14 1:20pm
That doesn't really mean anything
Freddie Cougar
8/21/14 2:20pm
I think employers are recognizing their strengths and hiring women much more.
8man
8/21/14 1:22pm
I am completely serious. If these families have truly streamlined and cut their
Mathlete
8/21/14 1:34pm
Wait, are you saying people DOWNSIZE from a $250k home?
Jkampana
8/21/14 1:41pm
san Antonio is super cheap. that's a nice house in SA
Mayor of Cougartown
8/21/14 1:47pm
Someone needs to move to Texas
badodo
8/21/14 1:52pm
It shouldn't be a controversial position to state that most people *can* get by
hansel
8/21/14 1:41pm
But what business is it of yours if they have or have not streamlined in
Texas Hammer
8/21/14 1:50pm
Like I said, if having a huge home makes it so that your kids don't see you and
Mathlete
8/21/14 2:01pm
I realize this isn't addressed to me, but, the reason I care that so many women
BearsandBulls
8/21/14 2:06pm
Agreed. Many people choose to make "things" their priority.
BearsandBulls
8/21/14 1:55pm
My wife recognizes the importance of being around to raise our children. However
IndependentGeorge
8/21/14 1:43pm
The commandments are clear on this issue!
rcbyufan
8/21/14 2:14pm
I saw a sad situation where the mom had had a new baby but had to return to work
Preppy
8/21/14 2:19pm
Why does it bother you? Don't mean to quote Ferris Buehler but
Crazy Cajun
8/21/14 2:29pm
Mother to a one month old baby is working so her husband can have a toy
Mathlete
8/21/14 2:34pm
No. That's sad and depressing.
Crazy Cajun
8/22/14 6:15am
I don't believe I ever stated being offended. However, I said he was an idiot.
Preppy
8/21/14 3:34pm
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Mathlete
8/21/14 2:33pm
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