then leads to people pointing out that Rose's record isn't as stellar as the first person is making it out to be.

The basketball program seems to be heading in the wrong direction to me. And until it's been proven on the court/field, I don't put much stock in a recruiting class. Bronco had a top 25 recruiting class once, too, and we know how that turned out.

Dave Rose had Jimmer who put on a show for a couple of seasons (once Rose finally let him). Other than that, it's been middling basketball. I don't see that changing this season as we will certainly lack inside scoring and have very little depth at the guard positions.

It's also comparing apples and oranges. Our defense has become pretty sad, but it's not like there's a DC in basketball to whine about. Or when we can't score when Haws is covered, it's not like there's an OC to whine about. If there were, people would be whining about them, no doubt.

It's mostly about expectations. Lavell had an amazing 6 year stretch once, and expectations for football have been through the roof ever since. For basketball, meh, so long as we're mostly making the NCAA tournament, even though we hardly ever win a game, we're cool. As long as we're slightly better than mediocre in basketball, we're cool. That doesn't cut it in football. And no, I don't count simply making the field of 68 teams as equivalent to fielding a top 25 football program.


Aside from Carlino who was eventually benched and has now transferred, when's the last non-LDS basketball player who actually starred for BYU? Not a bench player, but an actual starting, significant contributor. It's not like Rose has gone out and snagged a Jamaal Williams, Jordan Leslie, Brian Logan, or even a Mike Reed. His top 25 recruiting classes have been mostly LDS kids. Bronco doesn't have that luxury. He's gotta convince a higher percentage of non-LDS kids to come here if he wants a top program. Lavell understood that. Bronco has come around to understanding that, but a little too late.