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Mar 20, 2020
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jdub
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My son currently lives there. This is his second year. Very much recommends.
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BYU asked landlords to let students out of their contracts, but only one has.
ThetaSigma
3/20/20 2:04am
I don’t think they should be let out of their contracts. Shifting the burden to
Zaphod
3/20/20 2:09am
This is exactly why there are contracts. They need to be fulfilled. Students are
777
3/20/20 2:11am
I saw a video about this! We need a "mediator" to pay the debt for us!
ryebrye
3/20/20 6:33am
All the contracts agree to housing mediation for any disputes with a volunteer mediator
TCuz
3/20/20 6:53am
Well, Pops, you're up Zaphod. Sounds like you get the bill.
TailgateU
3/20/20 7:32am
I agree completely. I feel badly for the students (some of whom are family), but
garyfan
3/20/20 2:15am
At the same time, you're asking the students to take on the whole financial burden, even though they have been asked to
jdub
3/20/20 5:28am
This is why the government is sending out stimulus checks to pay for these thing
johnnybyu
3/20/20 7:44am
I'm 50/50 on this one
Koreacoug
3/20/20 2:35am
Some of those travel refunds are due to flights not happening. They cannot
TailgateU
3/20/20 7:46am
What about the kids in the complex where there was student who tested positive?
Blueto
3/20/20 5:45am
What obligations can’t the landlord keep because a student got the virus?
Superman21
3/20/20 8:09am
Not the landlord's problem. If I have renters and one of them gets sick, how did
TailgateU
3/20/20 8:52am
It is the BYU housing landlord’s problem in that case because the terms of the BYU housing contract
TCuz
3/20/20 8:56am
COVID-19 is not necessarily a serious illness.
Superman21
3/20/20 9:12am
Right, only the infected student. But I think it would be hard to argue it’s not
TCuz
3/20/20 9:19am
Is the student ill? Is it serious for the student? Probably not.
TailgateU
3/20/20 9:13am
From a fairness standpoint, and even contract law standpoint, I can agree
Yucaterco
3/20/20 9:39am
Shouldn’t force the landlords to do it. Smart landlords will figure out the best way to get the most money which will
shimmy
3/20/20 3:51am
My wife made the same suggestion. I told her she would make a good socialist.
Acorn
3/20/20 4:21am
Didn't go over well because it's an inaccurate and ridiculous statement.
jdub
3/20/20 5:16am
No, it's asking the landlords to take on the full responsibility.
No touching
3/20/20 5:43am
No, it it isn't. It's asking landlords to let those students who want out of the final month of their contract.
jdub
3/20/20 6:01am
How is it sharing the burden for those kids who signed a contract and now are let off of their obligation? If you were
No touching
3/20/20 6:10am
BYU landlords are happy to take advantage of the monopoly BYU
memento
3/20/20 6:20am
Landlords have mortgages, sometimes huge mortgages, that they have taken out to provide that housing. Hence contracts.
No touching
3/20/20 7:57am
And this disproves my point how?
memento
3/20/20 8:03am
You are saying that landlords should let students out of their contracts. But they have contracts too. And if they say
No touching
3/20/20 8:26am
No, if you read what I wrote, I said they should come to a compromise
memento
3/20/20 8:31am
You're right, you did say compromise, and I don't think it's a dirty word at all.
No touching
3/20/20 8:40am
There are a lot of banks who are willing to defer payments for 90 days.
Superman21
3/20/20 9:29am
Another wannabe socialist that doesn't recognize the massive capital
Acorn
3/20/20 8:12am
You really want to argue that Provo housing is a free market?
memento
3/20/20 8:24am
Let me guess. You or your kid has a contract and you don't want to pay all of
Acorn
3/20/20 8:34am
Nope, I have no children. But if you want to lie about what I wrote
memento
3/20/20 8:52am
You don't want to honor the contract you signed. You think the Landlords
Acorn
3/20/20 9:29am
So what is this compromise you would support that you've avoided articulating?
OlanchoCoug
3/20/20 2:32pm
Ohh, no, I didn't respond for an hour when I had a meeting.
memento
3/20/20 2:40pm
Don't give me that condescending crap dude. You mentioned a compromise without
OlanchoCoug
3/20/20 2:46pm
Just because you don't like the proposal doesn't mean it's useless.
memento
3/20/20 3:02pm
It's pretty useless since those apartments will all get filled regardless for
OlanchoCoug
3/20/20 3:21pm
Have to offer and should are different issues
memento
3/20/20 4:22pm
I never argued that BYU housing doesn't restrict student options. Quit putting
OlanchoCoug
3/20/20 5:37pm
So if BYU housing restricts housing options they artificially
memento
3/20/20 5:43pm
Whatever dude, anyone that has taken econ 110 knows BYU landlords don't fit
OlanchoCoug
3/21/20 7:49am
You don't understand what monopolistic competition is.
memento
3/21/20 7:57am
I understand it quite a bit better than you. No landlord in Provo has monopoly
OlanchoCoug
3/21/20 3:12pm
RE: I understand it quite a bit better than you. No landlord in Provo has
memento
3/21/20 3:32pm
Agreed that Provo is hardly a free market. But landlords shouldn't cave here.
Shore10
3/21/20 9:49pm
The landlords paid for the BYU monopoly. That was factored into the price of the
garyfan
3/20/20 8:16am
Yep this is true and why I don't do BYU rentals. The margins are too thin.
johnnybyu
3/20/20 8:37am
Except for when the contract runs till August...
2Blue4U
3/20/20 6:13am
Some contracts run through August (Branbury, for example), most don't. Most end in April.
jdub
3/20/20 6:17am
I lived there, wouldn't recommend... but my sisters complex and mine both run to
2Blue4U
3/20/20 6:19am
My son currently lives there. This is his second year. Very much recommends.
jdub
3/20/20 6:37am
Good for him? Haha
2Blue4U
3/20/20 6:45am
Your comment was a non-sequitur (you wouldn't recommend) so I was responding in kind.
jdub
3/20/20 7:13am
I don’t think that’s close to true anymore. Most now run through August.
TCuz
3/20/20 6:25am
Just did a quick scan of several larger apartment complexes in Provo. Most had 2 options: Fall/Winter
jdub
3/20/20 6:36am
You're really hurt by this, eh?
2Blue4U
3/20/20 6:45am
I'm invested in the discussion as much as you are. Are you suggesting you're hurt by it?
jdub
3/20/20 7:17am
There are still some holdouts. It’s not 100%, and it’s usually the grosser places
TCuz
3/20/20 6:50am
This is so refreshing to see. It gives me hope in the future generations.
Acorn
3/20/20 8:15am
Where are you seeing the majority ending in April. Most I’ve seen end in August
LaserCoug
3/20/20 6:59am
Here’s the 2019 housing guide. Slightly more than half have only year round
TCuz
3/20/20 7:04am
So the landlords are left with their mortgages, without rent to pay for them?
TailgateU
3/20/20 7:38am
I think tons of contracts go through summer. But if it’s just April, $300 isn’t
garyfan
3/20/20 8:14am
Did BYU refund tuition? If not BYU should stay out of it
johnnybyu
3/20/20 7:57am
Seeing as BYU designates "BYU approved housing" they are very much involved
memento
3/20/20 8:04am
I don't own BYU housing because the numbers barely work in good times. I have
johnnybyu
3/20/20 8:15am
I guess you think the landlords should eat the loss?
Acorn
3/20/20 8:08am
Agree with Acorn. We are all Dominoes currently ready to fall.
grandpacoug
3/20/20 5:35am
If you agree it's socialism, then you are mistaken
jdub
3/20/20 6:03am
Look. If your kids don't want to honor their executed contract
Acorn
3/20/20 8:16am
I feel bad for your wife
memento
3/20/20 8:27am
Grow up. Personal insults make you look even more foolish.
Acorn
3/20/20 9:35am
RE: Grow up. Personal insults make you look even more foolish.
memento
3/20/20 9:39am
You said "grow up" and complained about personal insults right after insulting me. Maybe take your own
jdub
3/20/20 1:05pm
I said my wife would make a good socialist. Calm down.
Acorn
3/20/20 1:31pm
The fact that BYU has inserted themselves onto the contract process complicates
LaserCoug
3/20/20 1:41pm
It would be interesting to hear a lawyers take on this.
Acorn
3/20/20 1:45pm
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jdub
3/20/20 2:01pm
It's funny you're trying to pretend now you didn't mean to imply BYU's request was like socialism
jdub
3/20/20 1:46pm
Calm down and go back and read it more slowly. Read exactly what it says.
Acorn
3/20/20 1:53pm
Haha, it's funny you keep pretending your subject doesn't imply you compared this to socialism.
jdub
3/20/20 2:02pm
OK. I understand. I can't do much more than write exactly what I mean.
Acorn
3/20/20 2:08pm
Do the contracts run through May or August?
Gustav
3/20/20 6:02am
Vast majority run through mid August
Turnpike Lane
3/20/20 8:07am
They should do so only when BYU refunds the students for the tuition
HighHorse
3/20/20 6:32am
I think they should pay regardless. But BYU should definitely not be
johnnybyu
3/20/20 7:34am
If the student lost their job I could see a point but if they just had to move
johnnybyu
3/20/20 7:36am
This is the type of disaster/dilemma that the entire U.S. will be facing
mbs6
3/20/20 7:34am
Agreed this is also why the govt is sending out stimulus checks. If people stop
johnnybyu
3/20/20 7:40am
Not sure the checks will be nearly enough.
mbs6
3/20/20 7:46am
If the student lost their job they used to pay rent they should file for unemplo
johnnybyu
3/20/20 7:50am
I hope that BYU didn't officially ask this. The clause is clearly for personal
TAMUCoug
3/20/20 7:37am
Unless BYU wants to pony up the landlords should not be shamed or expected
Superman21
3/20/20 7:43am
BYU should forgive student tuition, then they can use that for rent.
dYrtbYkerYder
3/20/20 7:48am
Can finish school online. Can you live in the housing online too? Not the same.
Turnpike Lane
3/20/20 8:08am
The landlord didn’t tell the kids to move home.
Superman21
3/20/20 10:13am
This is why the govt is sending out stimulus checks. If you get a stimulus
johnnybyu
3/20/20 7:46am
Who was hit hard, the landlords or the students?
BYU Fan
3/20/20 7:52am
Agreed if a student lost their job they used to pay rent then I get the point
johnnybyu
3/20/20 7:55am
Harvard law professor said he expects class-action lawsuits for student housing
VballDad
3/20/20 9:04am
*Enter BYU requiring students to live in approved off campus housing*
TCuz
3/20/20 9:05am
What recourse does a landlord have if a student just leaves and stops paying
Beest
3/20/20 11:21am
Whatever it says in the contract that the landlord is willing to do.
TailgateU
3/20/20 11:27am
My daughter's housing contract says this about termination of contract:
Beest
3/20/20 12:19pm
Yes
TCuz
3/20/20 12:26pm
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