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Jan 25, 2023
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King of Y
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Do you get paid for the work you do complete? For the hours you work? Are you
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I’m having a work problem.
conetah
1/24/23 11:52pm
I have no idea. I am one of the other three
Archaea
1/24/23 11:54pm
Call cousin Eddie.
777
1/24/23 11:58pm
RE: Call cousin Eddie.
icecougar
1/25/23 10:41am
Bosses hate the constant “why guy”. Sometimes it’s nice to just have someone who
macdizzle
1/25/23 12:00am
I got that impression clearly today ha.
conetah
1/25/23 12:02am
Good managers wouldn't complain about that IMO.
dYrtbYkerYder
1/25/23 12:03am
They won’t complain about it, but they won’t give bonuses for it either.
macdizzle
1/25/23 12:05am
I’m thick. Are you referring to me or my boss?
conetah
1/25/23 12:09am
Your boss.
dYrtbYkerYder
1/25/23 5:22am
I HATE arbitrary deadlines.
Senora Featherbottom
1/25/23 12:15am
Sure but has the deadline ever changed after asking? Because if not then it just
palangi
1/25/23 8:03am
For sure, if you do it right.
Senora Featherbottom
1/25/23 8:34am
And there is almost never a good reason behind it, which is why the boss doesn't
Mitty
1/25/23 9:54am
Agreed. It’s also reasonable for the boss to be annoyed by it and dole out bonuses accordingly.
CrimWalCoug
1/25/23 4:09pm
I’m gonna guess it’s not just about asking for the reason behind deadlines, but because the other managers…
OPINIONS
1/25/23 12:02am
Quit.
Ten_Hour_Drives
1/25/23 12:03am
It all comes down to leverage and alternative options.
dYrtbYkerYder
1/25/23 12:03am
Quitting:
conetah
1/25/23 12:12am
I disagree. It sounds like you need to have a radically candid conversation.
FatThor
1/25/23 6:31am
If the constant asking of why is because the manager is always dropping things at the last minute then it is unfair…
Tokolosh
1/25/23 7:11am
Perhaps, but that is why a conversation is needed.
FatThor
1/25/23 7:37am
This is great advice & thanks for the book recommendation, I’m going to read it.
brazilcoug
1/25/23 7:43am
It sounds like a reasonable trade off. If the hours you gained by not working
hebercreeper
1/25/23 12:03am
Work-like balance doesn't have to mean that every day (or even every week) has
garyfan
1/25/23 12:11am
You could estimate whether the bonus makes up for the extra hours
Great38
1/25/23 12:16am
I don’t think a 50 hr work week is excessive if you are in a bonus eligible
Thrill
1/25/23 12:23am
In some ways - it may even be an acceptable tradeoff.
Eddie
1/25/23 12:30am
I will be honest as a manager that would annoy me.
cougarfann888
1/25/23 12:25am
Corporate America loves to preach work/life balance but at the end of the day, they want a work/work balance
TADOW
1/25/23 12:26am
Sure. But being an entrepreneur and small business owner demands just as much,
brazilcoug
1/25/23 5:17am
Exactly. I’ve had someone (a mother with college age kids) tell me “powerbait,
Powerbait DPM
1/25/23 5:36am
I agree with this. I worked at a company that preached work/life balance, and I
Boredname Checks Out
1/25/23 5:53am
Managers often exploit the fact that people don't like to move.
Mises
1/25/23 7:50am
Military is the exact same way
MojosDojo
1/25/23 6:09am
I have employees that work 40 hours and employees that work 70 hours a week
MyTwoCents
1/25/23 8:41am
My two cents is that is a you problem for setting those expectations
semicool
1/25/23 9:04am
sounds like he's counting hours spent and not actual productivity. Which is
Mayor of Cougartown
1/25/23 10:34am
You can rest assured I know the difference between 40 hours of hard work,
MyTwoCents
1/25/23 2:52pm
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The_ATL
1/25/23 10:39am
I've known guys/girls who come in at 6. Make coffee, eat breakfast, take a walk
Mayor of Cougartown
1/25/23 10:43am
To be fair, if you're not pooping on the clock, you're doing it wrong
Great38
1/25/23 10:54am
correct. My point is they come in at 6 and don't do a lick of work till everyone
Mayor of Cougartown
1/25/23 10:57am
I had a co-worker who sat in the bathroom 5 hours a day
porcupinetree
1/27/23 12:47pm
So glad I left it.
TailgateU
1/25/23 11:35am
Americans preach wanna-work-a-little-but-get-paid-a-lot. Unfortunately,
canofpicante
1/25/23 5:20pm
When they ask for biggest weakness I always would say work life balance
Bobmarleyjr
1/25/23 1:35am
If you don’t mind not getting bonuses, keep your current set of priorities.
PhilPete
1/25/23 4:20am
Isn’t the point of a bonus to reward people who go above and beyond?
ldssdl
1/25/23 4:39am
It's unfortunate sometimes, but some bonuses are for going above and beyond. It
vagabonder
1/25/23 4:42am
Taking a somewhat more cynical view, they may have not given bonuses to some people as a way to see if they can make
Mike Honcho
1/25/23 5:10am
Interesting perspective. I think there is some truth here.
conetah
1/25/23 7:17am
I think you need to look back at how the program is structured to understand this slight properly…
Tokolosh
1/25/23 5:33am
I'm with you. If the deadlines are arbitrary, work/life balance etc..if
semicool
1/25/23 5:35am
I’ve had lots of deadlines in my career
RiseUp
1/25/23 5:48am
It wasn’t like this until about 6 months ago when the company entered fire drill
conetah
1/25/23 7:44am
How your boss interacts with her boss probably reflects how she expects you to
ldssdl
1/25/23 8:17am
Likely.
conetah
1/25/23 8:57am
You have a bad manager. Not necessarily because of the bonus but this line:
MGM
1/25/23 5:51am
Also, receiving a bonus shouldn't be arbitrary or surprising - requirements need
MGM
1/25/23 5:57am
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The_ATL
1/25/23 10:44am
Dude, employees aren't children.
MGM
1/25/23 2:36pm
And bosses should not be jerks
semicool
1/25/23 2:42pm
My opinion is that when you question the urgency and deadline, you are questioning your manager’s ability to make those
Rhino84
1/25/23 5:52am
My main concern is that if they decided they had one too many employees, you
Fdnman
1/25/23 6:15am
For sure, not getting a bonus is a strong signal - I would be looking
MGM
1/25/23 6:17am
It's the little people...like you who make a difference.
coolblue
1/25/23 6:19am
Did you at least get to spend some time with your son?
Florwood
1/25/23 6:20am
Consistent fires is a sign of poor planning on her part. Sounds like a poor boss
scrambled egg
1/25/23 7:15am
Or department / boss’s boss / company…
NYC and Japan
1/25/23 7:28am
You have a good head on your shoulders.
VenomFarmer
1/25/23 7:21am
Just reference how much is the average bonus? Would it have been significant
PKCoug
1/25/23 7:35am
I hate it when subordinates question me. Just do what I say. You make my life
flyzag
1/25/23 7:41am
I wouldn't want to work for you
porcupinetree
1/25/23 10:03am
If a manager can't properly explain the reasons
porcupinetree
1/25/23 10:05am
99% of the time it comes from above.
flyzag
1/25/23 10:26am
Perhaps you could shift your inquiries to simple: "how hard is that deadline?"
Mises
1/25/23 7:45am
Good idea.
conetah
1/25/23 7:59am
I wouldn’t do this. Clarification from time to time is fine but the optics are
FatThor
1/25/23 8:05am
My go to now is to not ask. With that said, if I feel the absolute need to ask,
conetah
1/25/23 8:58am
It’s a signal they are not pleased with your performance. All other same level
TeeKaa
1/25/23 8:07am
And if this isn't the case, your manager isn't smart.
dYrtbYkerYder
1/25/23 10:41am
Do you get paid for the work you do complete? For the hours you work? Are you
King of Y
1/25/23 8:34am
If you are hourly, then you a properly remunerated for your time. Salaried
King of Y
1/25/23 12:18pm
Conversations like this are the best part of CB. Great discussion
ssa
1/25/23 8:42am
Agreed. Lots of knowledge and good, unbiased, thoughts on the thread.
conetah
1/25/23 10:53am
I know this isn’t a decision to be taken lightly but I found it’s time to
Your Royal Blueness
1/25/23 8:59am
I agree. I have owned my own business for 5 years. I can’t imagine ever working
King of Y
1/25/23 11:25am
Rule #1 of bonuses. Never count on getting a bonus.
Broda
1/25/23 9:31am
I learned this lesson the hard way, when I was in my young career and planned
flyzag
1/25/23 9:48am
I made down-payment on a large in-ground pool for my family for Christmas.
Great38
1/25/23 10:36am
I think I know you... Do you have the big Christmas light display every year?
flyzag
1/25/23 10:38am
Your manager sounds like an entitled moron that plays office politics. Good luck
Mitty
1/25/23 9:51am
Is there a red stapler on your desk?
niqmadu
1/25/23 11:31am
My recommendation...
Hill4Heisman
1/25/23 11:55am
Good advice. This is the way. And I agree with others, no bonus means first on
The_Cuss
1/25/23 12:08pm
I manage 15 engineers. 2 aren't getting bonuses this year and they know why...
Bee Chunder
1/25/23 4:16pm
meant for OP 🙁
Bee Chunder
1/25/23 4:16pm
When doing the prioritization exercise, phrasing is important.
DirtyWater
1/25/23 11:29pm
You shouldn't question why every time, but if she can't be bothered to share a
OldFogey
1/25/23 12:13pm
Bonus
rickybobby
1/25/23 12:31pm
I will say that a bonus requirements should be defined explicitly even if some
semicool
1/25/23 2:19pm
RE: I will say that a bonus requirements should be defined explicitly even if
rickybobby
1/26/23 12:41pm
I received valuable wisdom from a friend. He is an academic that at the time was
TailgateU
1/25/23 1:15pm
My kids ask me the "why" behind things all the time. If I don't have a legit
semicool
1/25/23 2:44pm
I just say "I'm the dad and don't have to explain why". I'm so tough
OldFogey
1/25/23 3:35pm
I'll take a stab at my version of the advice. I've seen a lot.
DirtyWater
1/25/23 3:37pm
And thus the "no bonus" signal.
TeeKaa
1/25/23 4:47pm
This right here needs to be in some Workforce brochure and for anyone
Your Royal Blueness
1/25/23 5:11pm
True, and few people will accept it though because
stoils
1/25/23 5:43pm
You have communication issues at work. I’d recommend the following:
canofpicante
1/25/23 5:41pm
This all turns on whether it's a buyer's market or a seller's market.
Cougar Junkie
1/25/23 8:40pm
Companies only go above and beyond when they absolutely have to
porcupinetree
1/27/23 10:21am
You are absolutely right. 100%. Companies are in the business of maximizing
flyzag
1/27/23 10:36am
That makes sense, unfortunately. I'll keep that in mind the next time my
semicool
1/27/23 12:01pm
That's why I never feel bad for leaving a company for greener pastures
porcupinetree
1/27/23 12:20pm
Companies do not fire at the drop of a hat
stoils
1/27/23 1:09pm
Uh, I have 25 years of professional experience. Yes they do.
porcupinetree
1/27/23 2:17pm
Introspection and self awareness might be worthwhile in this situation
stoils
1/27/23 2:27pm
Some do actually care about their employees, many don't
semicool
1/27/23 3:32pm
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