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Nov 15, 2019
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jkccoug
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Gurney knows a lot about recruiting. Been reporting on it for nearly 20 years
If he says we dropped the ball we probably dropped the ball.
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Gurney quite critical of BYU recruiting of LP's Nate Ritchie
The Y's Insider
11/14/19 1:15pm
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BlueFrog
11/14/19 1:17pm
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lightmann
11/15/19 11:12am
?
flavordave
11/15/19 11:32am
He's good enough to be a 3-4 yr impact player at the next level
RockyBalboa
11/14/19 1:18pm
Gurney is wrong. They are not big BYU fans. If they were, he would sign there.
What_The_Hill?
11/15/19 9:05am
Umm, his dad played at BYU. And yes, they have always been BYU family.
Romex
11/15/19 9:18am
What did his dad play? There are no Richie’s listed on the FB history!
What_The_Hill?
11/17/19 7:46am
Safety I believe...
CoachSpeak
11/17/19 11:19am
I don't get posts like this...
CoachSpeak
11/15/19 9:23am
Think a lot of people get into the mindset of what they'd do
stansburycoug
11/15/19 9:49am
Standard BYU MO with local kids...
CoachSpeak
11/14/19 1:18pm
Local kids have to recruit BYU
1984coug
11/14/19 1:18pm
They came so close to losing...
CoachSpeak
11/14/19 1:27pm
Why won't BYU do that? Is it Admin and resources?
groy
11/14/19 1:30pm
I honestly don't know...
CoachSpeak
11/14/19 1:39pm
Is it possible that they don’t want those type of kids on the team?
puntersarepeople
11/14/19 2:39pm
The best talents? Yea why would they want those?
CoachSpeak
11/14/19 4:47pm
Bronco said he wanted players to recruit themselves
puntersarepeople
11/15/19 2:34pm
So does talented mean entitled?
CoachSpeak
11/15/19 3:56pm
What...good athletes from LDS family in Utah County with P12 offers?
truecougster
11/15/19 10:27am
Doesn't that get annoying?
BYUALWAYSNUM1
11/14/19 7:38pm
At a certain point it does...
CoachSpeak
11/14/19 10:04pm
I’d enjoy it and if it ever became too much you can always say that less is more
puntersarepeople
11/15/19 2:35pm
There’s a lot of it that is fun...
CoachSpeak
11/15/19 4:05pm
Utah’s recruiting budget is over $1 million
antiyewt
11/14/19 4:56pm
Per latest Equity in Athletics Report, BYU spent $868,492 for all men's Sports Recruiting.
Turnpike Lane
11/14/19 5:10pm
Antiute is surprised
travelcoug
11/14/19 6:04pm
If that's true, doesn't that reflect a problem?
Eddie
11/15/19 8:54am
This isn’t true according to Moose Bingham, former BYU recruiting coordinator
antiyewt
11/15/19 11:39am
I keep hearing this. Help me understand
stansburycoug
11/15/19 12:06pm
They're not seriously looking at "300." That's not how it works.
Lip Gallagher
11/15/19 4:51pm
Same issue with Hoke...almost lost him as well.
whiteninja
11/14/19 5:12pm
who?
SingleStrapBackpack
11/14/19 5:15pm
I’m fine if the 8th graders offered are as good as they have been
puntersarepeople
11/14/19 6:00pm
Keep in mind that there are NCAA rules on recruiting
Cougrrrs Roll
11/15/19 10:02am
I know the rules...
CoachSpeak
11/15/19 10:06am
As you know, there are also many ways around the rules...
The Y's Insider
11/15/19 11:13am
Using Twitter DM is a loophole and every school uses it.
antiyewt
11/15/19 11:41am
Some MUCH more than others. That was my point.
The Y's Insider
11/15/19 2:29pm
Whittingham visiting his house "frequently" doesn't sound like what I thought
ColonelMustard
11/15/19 12:42pm
Check the rules on this statement
Cougrrrs Roll
11/15/19 12:56pm
What’s to check?
CoachSpeak
11/16/19 1:50pm
Now you're just making stuff up and changing what you stated in the OP
Cougrrrs Roll
11/16/19 2:55pm
How come you changed your post?
CoachSpeak
11/16/19 4:36pm
Oh and you have no clue what the rules are....
CoachSpeak
11/16/19 4:38pm
Sadly you don't know how very wrong you are
Cougrrrs Roll
11/17/19 12:37pm
Ok anonymous CBer give us your bonafides...
CoachSpeak
11/17/19 1:05pm
BYU has been out recruited for almost every kid i know of
CarolinaCoug
11/15/19 6:14pm
Understaffed. Poor resources, conparitively.
The Y's Insider
11/14/19 1:23pm
They are getting outworked and they can't afford to be for kids the quality...
CoachSpeak
11/14/19 1:28pm
BYU fans, boosters don't see this. How do we highlight this?
The Y's Insider
11/14/19 1:33pm
For real? 3 vs 1? No way USU brings in more money. so what's the deal?
Idahofallsblue
11/14/19 1:35pm
USU got $1.5 million from the state for recruiting costs
Sactown Cougar
11/14/19 3:07pm
Not recruiting costs. For COLA payments.
Turnpike Lane
11/14/19 3:08pm
While the article mentions the stipends that athletes are getting
Sactown Cougar
11/14/19 3:12pm
BYU spends more than double in recruiting than Utah State. See here
Thrill
11/14/19 5:59pm
Bronco and Staff didn't suffer from this problem like the current staff
kimdaddy35
11/14/19 1:36pm
may be true but i think the recruiting game may have even evolved since then
yahtzee
11/14/19 1:46pm
It is constantly evolving and I think more resources are a good idea, but
kimdaddy35
11/14/19 1:49pm
Yes they did.
RockyBalboa
11/14/19 2:44pm
RE: Yes they did.
RockyBalboa
11/14/19 2:45pm
There were exceptions on his staff...Doman, KPop, and Guy Holliday
stansburycoug
11/14/19 2:51pm
Need more Hollidays
puntersarepeople
11/14/19 2:59pm
Wrong. I was personally involved with a recruit. Bronco was all over him early
coolblue
11/14/19 3:26pm
Well if you want me to talk about something I know about
RockyBalboa
11/14/19 3:32pm
Kalani is the same, the HC doesn’t make many home visits for any program...
CoachSpeak
11/14/19 4:51pm
Agreed
RockyBalboa
11/15/19 7:22am
Hard to take your opinion seriously when I know of many instances
kimdaddy35
11/15/19 3:48pm
Uh yes they absolutely had the problem of poor contact. Lol
Lip Gallagher
11/14/19 3:37pm
Not true.
YSMACK
11/14/19 10:09pm
I have spoken to over a dozen families that all had very similar experiences
kimdaddy35
11/15/19 4:16pm
Is that why we missed on legacy kids like
baldcoug74
11/14/19 4:45pm
If you think BYU had any chance at signing Gustin your opinion has no weight
jkccoug
11/14/19 11:03pm
There were all kinds of issues with Gustin. Those who know don't say, and those
BYU I Bleed Blue
11/15/19 11:24am
He wasn’t interested anyway. He’d have gone to USC 100/100
puntersarepeople
11/15/19 2:37pm
Bronco upset legacy players because he didn't give them anything that they
kimdaddy35
11/15/19 4:18pm
What did they "want"? What are some of their demands?
groy
11/15/19 4:21pm
No they had a recruiting coordinator named Jeff Martzen
pspack41
11/14/19 5:48pm
Nope...Empey and Katoa were not offered early
byukarl
11/14/19 7:40pm
I get that they have 1 full time guy on staff
stansburycoug
11/14/19 2:22pm
Ask Coachspeak. His son was a recent recruit, now playing for Hawaii
antiyewt
11/14/19 4:58pm
I don't know about exact allocations or staffing, but BYU spends more than 2x
Gustav
11/14/19 5:08pm
I don't think it is just local. The Gentrys thought the same thing
kimdaddy35
11/14/19 1:35pm
Local and/or LDS is the real definition...
CoachSpeak
11/14/19 1:40pm
Oddly enough, they seem to do better with Poly kids
kimdaddy35
11/14/19 1:46pm
I am sure some of it is sour grapes on the part of kids and families that...
CoachSpeak
11/14/19 1:50pm
Isn't Gentry from Colorado?
BYUALWAYSNUM1
11/14/19 7:46pm
yes, I think he goes to Columbine HS in Littleton?
SingleStrapBackpack
11/14/19 8:51pm
Yep
puntersarepeople
11/14/19 8:52pm
You’re right has no local kids in their roster!
gww687
11/14/19 2:28pm
Typical blindness to reality...
CoachSpeak
11/14/19 4:58pm
To answer your 1st question
gww687
11/14/19 5:23pm
Actually you just confirmed what I said...
CoachSpeak
11/14/19 5:31pm
RE: Actually you just confirmed what I said...
Lip Gallagher
11/14/19 5:48pm
If Gentry is getting that attention then that is good...
CoachSpeak
11/14/19 7:16pm
What I’m saying is people, including media and family, say their kid isn’t being
gww687
11/14/19 7:17pm
If this staff recruits the right kids the right way, then why is our recruiting
kimdaddy35
11/15/19 4:42pm
I don't know if I believe that. I think he's been P5 bound regardless.
Lip Gallagher
11/14/19 7:30pm
This is one of the saddest commentaries I have heard on recruiting
kimdaddy35
11/15/19 4:22pm
Also Dayan was signed by Bronco
jkccoug
11/14/19 11:06pm
Is he beong wowed because they recruit better thoigh?
CarolinaCoug
11/15/19 6:22pm
RE: Is he beong wowed because they recruit better thoigh?
gww687
11/16/19 7:45am
RE: Standard BYU MO with local kids...
UberDeek
11/14/19 6:52pm
LOL. If BYU is "Late" at all, then they don't have a chance. If they are the
cougaman
11/14/19 1:36pm
It would happen to any staff when the kid is in your backyard
kimdaddy35
11/14/19 1:37pm
Then this staff is guaranteed to be late with anyone. Those relationships start
LaserCoug
11/14/19 3:35pm
If a scholarship is offered, why is "lack of attention" a problem?
cougarnw
11/14/19 2:30pm
The "dating and courtship" build up to the "marriage"
groy
11/14/19 2:39pm
Doman was excellent at this portion. Who are the best recruiters on this staff?
stansburycoug
11/14/19 2:41pm
Steward went really hard after RBs, seemed to do well
puntersarepeople
11/14/19 2:48pm
Love Steward
stansburycoug
11/14/19 2:52pm
A lot? He hasn’t been at BYU for two years
puntersarepeople
11/14/19 2:58pm
Fesi has done some work to at WR
puntersarepeople
11/14/19 3:00pm
Millennial babies.....
LDTemplar
11/14/19 4:03pm
Ok Boomer.
scootsy
11/14/19 4:22pm
I'm not a Boomer...
LDTemplar
11/15/19 10:55am
Those graduating and in HS currently aren’t even Millennials, Cliche Response
akmewg
11/14/19 7:58pm
I was referring to the parents....
LDTemplar
11/15/19 10:54am
So if a company gave you an offer...
CoachSpeak
11/14/19 5:01pm
Personally I'd probably be annoyed by constant contact after a job offer
cougarnw
11/14/19 6:01pm
Especially in the current environment where schools over offer
Dr T-bone
11/14/19 6:18pm
Verbal commitment is just the beginning. Other schools don’t just roll over - especially on a BYU recruit.
antiyewt
11/14/19 5:03pm
How can we blame this on Anae?
ag4cougs
11/14/19 2:38pm
Or Mendenhall....
LDTemplar
11/14/19 4:03pm
This story has been around a while. And if the family feels that way, it is true. Simple as that.
Turnpike Lane
11/14/19 2:53pm
I think this is a frequent excuse families use in order to justify big timing BYU. If you don’t want to play here, fine.
YIsForBrigham
11/14/19 4:55pm
I think you need to actually go through the process to really get it...
CoachSpeak
11/14/19 5:08pm
The thing that bugs me is it seems its the parents who are miffed... not the kid
Cougforgood
11/14/19 5:10pm
That’s because the parents are the long time fans...
CoachSpeak
11/14/19 5:23pm
The reason I would believe you are right is that Roberts still signed with BYU
puntersarepeople
11/14/19 5:10pm
He did still sign...
CoachSpeak
11/14/19 5:25pm
I have not seen Roberts or Ritchie play. IYO, who is better? Or about same?
Yohy
11/14/19 6:10pm
I know you aren't asking me, but one is a WR and the other is an LB so comparisons might be tough 🙂
SingleStrapBackpack
11/14/19 6:28pm
Ritchie is Safety
Romex
11/14/19 6:39pm
OK. Is he a safety now that is being recruited as an LB prospect? Thought I remembered an LB in this discussion
SingleStrapBackpack
11/14/19 8:54pm
recruited as safety
Romex
11/14/19 10:03pm
Hard to say...
CoachSpeak
11/14/19 8:38pm
I don't fully understand this
Cougforgood
11/14/19 5:08pm
we don't fully understand it because we haven't been recruited. People get
Idahofallsblue
11/14/19 5:12pm
While I didn't get recruited playing D1 athletics, I've gone through several
Cougforgood
11/15/19 10:20am
Your last paragraph - Right on! We gotta win.
Yohy
11/14/19 5:58pm
Ehhh if he is a real "die hard fan" then he would've comitted already,
CougarLucas
11/14/19 5:57pm
Not that easy man. Lots of things to consider if you are being recruited at that
Romex
11/14/19 6:41pm
Kids who turn down scholarships to walk on at BYU might disagree with you.
DraperCoug22
11/14/19 8:01pm
Yea I know that it's different when it comes to recruiting,
CougarLucas
11/14/19 8:45pm
I agree with this. If a kid “loves” BYU, they’re going to commit.
DraperCoug22
11/14/19 8:00pm
That is the sort of thing an non athlete fan would say...
CoachSpeak
11/14/19 8:42pm
I think Gurney is wrong
Mot
11/14/19 6:37pm
Nate is a really good kid...and yes, it was the recruiting.
Romex
11/14/19 6:43pm
Then why are we keeping this coaching staff. When hired, everyone believed
Yohy
11/14/19 6:50pm
My Biggest concern with this Staff
stansburycoug
11/14/19 8:01pm
Time for BYU fans who believe this to be fair about the situation.
Lip Gallagher
11/14/19 9:39pm
You reminded me of something I've posted before...
So it goes...
11/14/19 10:20pm
Then clearly he doesn’t really want to attend BYU in the first place.
DraperCoug22
11/14/19 7:42pm
I don’t think that’s the case...
CoachSpeak
11/14/19 8:51pm
If Nate supposedly grew up “loving” BYU and they’re not in his top 3
DraperCoug22
11/14/19 9:25pm
"But BYU coaches didn't kiss my rear end every chance they got"
HONOMO
11/14/19 11:28pm
This is my thing. I would kill to play at BYU.
HONOMO
11/14/19 11:27pm
I get it but this is a fan way of looking at it...
CoachSpeak
11/15/19 9:34am
A kid like Ritchie literally has millions of dollars riding on this decision.
BrobaFett
11/15/19 11:37am
Except the risk is FAAAR greater that you get buried on the depth chart
jkccoug
11/15/19 11:47am
Not always. Not at all.
BrobaFett
11/15/19 12:03pm
You have to evaluate every situation. Which is my point. It is not always better
jkccoug
11/15/19 12:58pm
Any player worth his while thinks he is the best one...
CoachSpeak
11/15/19 4:03pm
It's true. All good players think they are the best. As they should.
jkccoug
11/15/19 4:32pm
And Utah is telling him they’ll make him into another Weddle...
CoachSpeak
11/15/19 1:25pm
I think he is good enough to be another Weddle.
BrobaFett
11/18/19 9:45am
He could be, that’s why that is such a powerful recruiting pitch for Utah to use
CoachSpeak
11/18/19 3:09pm
You're not sure Utah, who Weddle played for, can make him another
BrobaFett
11/18/19 4:07pm
Not to speak for CS but every player is different and things happen.
Soupie
11/18/19 4:09pm
No you read me correctly...
CoachSpeak
11/18/19 4:16pm
Fair enough. I guess I just see him in the "Weddle Role"
BrobaFett
11/19/19 12:21pm
Based on how he played today he’s got a ways to go if he wants to play Sundays.
DraperCoug22
11/15/19 9:40pm
Yeah I can appreciate that
HONOMO
11/15/19 3:42pm
Yup. These guys havent gone through the process and dont understand.
CarolinaCoug
11/15/19 6:29pm
Like others... i have gone through this process (3 times actually)
TheLost
11/14/19 6:57pm
This sounds like a very reasonable take...
So it goes...
11/14/19 7:11pm
Where did your kids go?
Sandy Lyle
11/14/19 7:26pm
Yep, to all of it...
CoachSpeak
11/14/19 8:54pm
Sounds like BYU already knew they lost him. Move on.
DraperCoug22
11/14/19 7:38pm
Feel this is the case a lot of times. Sometimes BYU makes the "finalist" list out of respect or to please Mom & Dad
Soupie
11/14/19 8:31pm
That was pretty close to how it was...
CoachSpeak
11/14/19 9:04pm
And I doubt any here would criticize that. But Nate has a schollie offer.
DraperCoug22
11/14/19 9:35pm
He also has one to Stanford...
CoachSpeak
11/14/19 9:43pm
I understand, it is doubly impressive. It’s an undergrad degree tho; nothing to
Yohy
11/14/19 9:50pm
Ask Taysom
stansburycoug
11/14/19 10:01pm
That's not a very good example. He WAS going there if they didn't
Lip Gallagher
11/14/19 10:08pm
That’s exactly it...
CoachSpeak
11/14/19 10:08pm
Maybe they don’t want to be in a hyper liberal environment
BYU '80
11/14/19 11:22pm
PAC-12 .. guaranteed 4 year scholarship.. better insurance..
TheLost
11/15/19 9:32am
seems like so many members want BYU to be first and most aggressive for
palangi
11/15/19 8:33am
Gurney knows a lot about recruiting. Been reporting on it for nearly 20 years
jkccoug
11/15/19 9:50am
^^This^^
mellomike
11/15/19 12:44pm
Here's the problem I have with stuff like this. Had BYU been the first to offer,
cougaman
11/15/19 10:33am
Interesting is that everyone keeps mentioning Stanford in this thread
BayUte
11/15/19 2:10pm
If it's Utah, I would say it's an indictment on the staff
stansburycoug
11/15/19 2:26pm
Well Stanford is a school that has come on after the fact and stole recruits
cougaman
11/15/19 2:30pm
I think that's a pretty accurate analysis minus the UCLA part. I have no idea
BayUte
11/16/19 12:44pm
So you disagree that UCLA has better weather?
cougaman
11/16/19 12:46pm
I was making a joke... or at least trying to make a joke.
BayUte
11/16/19 6:34pm
The only people saying this are Ute fans...
CoachSpeak
11/15/19 4:09pm
I think pretty much all the recruiting service analysts are saying it.
BayUte
11/16/19 12:47pm
Links?
CoachSpeak
11/16/19 1:59pm
Not sure if you can see these.
BayUte
11/16/19 6:39pm
Well I know they are putting in the work on him...
CoachSpeak
11/16/19 6:41pm
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