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Jul 11, 2018
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Cretin
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Most wont care, ignore if that’s you. The story of Utah to the PAC 12...
Tokolosh
7/11/18 9:27am
Is it called “Seeds of Betrayal?”
2FarGone
7/11/18 9:32am
Why would you be under the assumption Utah cares about BYU?
TNT
7/11/18 9:38am
Eh.I don't think many people were under the delusion that UofU would reciprocate
LeftOfNormal
7/11/18 9:39am
I agree, I just wanted to remind the Yewts of their treasonous behavior
2FarGone
7/11/18 9:44am
"treasonous behavior". 😹
Bluegoogles
7/11/18 10:00pm
Again, BYU was never taking any such stance:
Scratch
7/11/18 9:51am
Perhaps you could remind me of this act...
Tokolosh
7/11/18 9:48am
*Sigh* Can we please put this silly narrative to rest? Rondo Fehlberg, of all
Scratch
7/11/18 9:50am
This isn't true.
displacedute
7/11/18 10:08am
that must make you feel really good, it's always nice to rationalize
Cougarclaw
7/11/18 10:24am
Your point about others' involvement is important...
Tokolosh
7/11/18 10:33am
BYU actively tried to leave Utah behind and couldn't.
displacedute
7/11/18 10:36am
Not that there was anything wrong with BYU doing so; BYU was and should have
Scratch
7/11/18 10:39am
Agreed. It's just false to suggest otherwise.
displacedute
7/11/18 10:42am
I get it; that helps you guys feel okay about all of this. Human nature. I've
Extra Biscuits
7/11/18 11:00am
You need a hug buddy?
displacedute
7/11/18 11:04am
Says the guys who are fussy over one quote from the 90s
Extra Biscuits
7/11/18 11:11am
RE: Says the guys who are fussy over one quote from the 90s
displacedute
7/11/18 11:18am
RE: I get it; that helps you guys feel okay about all of this. Human nature.
Tokolosh
7/11/18 11:06am
Not true. Utah bent over backwards to get BYU in the WAC in 1962. And every
Scratch
7/11/18 10:38am
RE: that must make you feel really good, it's always nice to rationalize
Bluegoogles
7/11/18 6:27pm
Well that's on BYU then not Utah, they did it the right way
palangi
7/11/18 10:30am
Worse than that - they leveraged their plan for BYU, TCU, BSU, yew P5 inclusion
Choke
7/11/18 11:44am
I know this is from a Utah perspective but zero mention of BYU in the process
mudpupper
7/11/18 9:34am
Step 1: Ignore logical thought. Step 2: Invite Utah.
dYrtbYkerYder
7/11/18 9:36am
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Cretin
7/11/18 9:37am
A quick scan of the article tells me the P12 kind of blew it.
Cougar Insider
7/11/18 9:38am
Great point
TNT
7/11/18 9:39am
That scenario played out pretty publicly...
Tokolosh
7/11/18 9:46am
I think your memory is correct, but I think what made it seem like a long shot
Cougar Insider
7/11/18 9:57am
I'm trying to recall the timeline now...
Tokolosh
7/11/18 10:03am
Possible. As you said, it's been a while and my timeline could be fuzzy.
Cougar Insider
7/11/18 10:13am
But could USC, Oregon, or UCLA live with that imbalance?
Tokolosh
7/11/18 10:14am
Obviously not as the option was never on the table.
Cougar Insider
7/11/18 10:20am
There were a few problems with a P16. P10 presidents didn't want Ok St, TTech,
Scratch
7/11/18 10:16am
To get OU and UT you take whoever you need to.
Cougar Insider
7/11/18 10:26am
This NYT article seems to support that scenario.
Everyman
7/11/18 11:35am
The takeaway from this piece is how far apart the PAC and UT were
jrj84105
7/11/18 11:07am
They were never getting OU without OSU.
mudpupper
7/11/18 9:50am
And then the PAC declined the pair when they applied to join.
jrj84105
7/11/18 11:09am
A picture is worth a thousand words. Or just 2.
Ragnar Danneskjold
7/11/18 9:38am
So let me get this straight, not only does Utah help Colorado get in, but they
Extra Biscuits
7/11/18 9:39am
Actively work to keep BYU out? Huh? Where do you see that?
Scratch
7/11/18 9:54am
According to the article, and in Hill‘s own words, he was excited to keep the
Extra Biscuits
7/11/18 10:32am
Seriously? There was no way BYU was getting in no matter what; they would never
Scratch
7/11/18 10:41am
There's that justification I was talking about. Rather than believe the simplest
Extra Biscuits
7/11/18 10:54am
The P10 possibly taking 2 Utah teams is the most likely explanation? Plus,
Scratch
7/11/18 11:04am
Right, because the PAC never takes more than one team from a state.
Extra Biscuits
7/11/18 11:22am
You understand that things had changed since the last time the P10 had expanded
Scratch
7/11/18 11:29am
Okay, I'll agree that was a bad argument. I hadn't actually seen that Fehlberg
Extra Biscuits
7/11/18 11:39am
Hill recognized that it was unlikely, but with something like this you don't
Scratch
7/11/18 11:42am
What is the Feldberg quote?
OPINIONS
7/11/18 11:15am
Ask the Ute fans, they've been talking about it above. Must have been a doozy
Extra Biscuits
7/11/18 11:19am
RE: What is the Feldberg quote?
Scratch
7/11/18 11:22am
In your own words, "Fehlberg suggested Utah." Honest answer: do you think Hill
Extra Biscuits
7/11/18 11:26am
Probably not. Hill knew what was the most likely approach to get Utah in. It
Scratch
7/11/18 11:31am
Fair enough; I'm okay with that. But Ute fans could at least drop the argument
Extra Biscuits
7/11/18 11:32am
I have no reason to doubt what Fehlberg said.
Scratch
7/11/18 11:44am
I think we're going in circles now
Extra Biscuits
7/11/18 11:45am
Sorry, I thought I was clear. I have no reason to think Hill mentioned BYU to
Scratch
7/11/18 11:54am
My bad
Extra Biscuits
7/11/18 11:55am
Hill was already in cahoots with Colorado before he ever met with Scott.
OPINIONS
7/11/18 12:01pm
Hill was watching out for Utah and maximizing their chance of getting in.
OPINIONS
7/11/18 11:12am
Chris Hill is so smart
Doc Buff
7/11/18 4:48pm
lol. The two situations aren't even close to the same.
couldge
7/11/18 6:01pm
There wasn't any bad PR. The only people riled up were BYU fans. I thought
BigBrotherUte
7/12/18 12:19pm
There was plenty of bad PR. I guess you're too blind to see it.
couldge
7/12/18 12:38pm
A mailbag piece, a local article from a guy that rarely writes, and an
BigBrotherUte
7/12/18 12:57pm
Some national writers mentioned it...
Tokolosh
7/12/18 1:01pm
Ok you said NO BAD PR
couldge
7/12/18 3:45pm
To answer your question...
lilpenny
7/11/18 1:34pm
BYU was never mentioned in the article. Sunday play was.
Doc Buff
7/11/18 4:43pm
Sad that BYU was never considered when it was better than Utah in every way. Except the research university area.
Baron
7/11/18 9:44am
But BYU was not better in every way. BYU is a fine school and has a strong...
Tokolosh
7/11/18 9:53am
What reasons? That they have better than BYU?
Baron
7/11/18 9:55am
And here it is straight from Scott:
Baron
7/11/18 9:58am
BYU does not add more TV dollars. Those contracts were market based...
Tokolosh
7/11/18 10:11am
BYU would add more in each market. You can't say that it would have played no role. You know that BYU gets more
Baron
7/11/18 10:12am
But it was not eyeball based, it was market based.
Tokolosh
7/11/18 10:16am
Lol, BYU's athletic history was not superior. The more recent history, which
BigBrotherUte
7/11/18 11:55am
Recent football success, academic rankings in many disciplines, greater emphasis
Tokolosh
7/11/18 9:58am
Recent Football sucess played no role. Academic rankings? BYU is a better undergrad institution and
Baron
7/11/18 10:01am
Athletic success did play a role. Same Scott quote you posted above...
Tokolosh
7/11/18 10:13am
History of athletic achievement and that has BYU ahead.
Baron
7/11/18 10:17am
The 70s-80s were kind to BYU. But the separation between the schools
Tokolosh
7/11/18 10:20am
How do you figure? Utah had more recent success, and also has more long-term
Scratch
7/11/18 10:20am
Nope. I am talking all sports more than just football, which was a
Baron
7/11/18 10:24am
Football drives the bus.
displacedute
7/11/18 10:43am
Yewtah's brand had a strong enough flame that it was reasonable for the P10...
Cougar Insider
7/11/18 10:05am
Saying that BYU is better in every way is an overstatement. However,
Lynk
7/11/18 10:00am
There are many Utah departments far better than at BYU and it is not even close
Tokolosh
7/11/18 10:18am
You're right. BYU fans insist on quoting hard number metrics when making their point. So annoying.
kccougar
7/11/18 10:45am
No, they focus on the one or two hard numbers that benefit them...
Tokolosh
7/11/18 10:55am
Tell us again why you started this thread?
kccougar
7/11/18 11:01am
Because there is some interest in the Utes and/or how realignment went down
Tokolosh
7/11/18 11:10am
Lololol wut
immacougar
7/11/18 10:46am
And there are many BYU departments that are far better than U departments and it
Lynk
7/11/18 10:47am
RE: And there are many BYU departments that are far better than U departments
Tokolosh
7/11/18 10:57am
Like I said, the U has some fine programs, and there are some programs
Lynk
7/11/18 11:42am
Not trying to be hostile or offended...
Tokolosh
7/11/18 11:54am
You and I agree.
Lynk
7/11/18 12:03pm
Not buying it. Utah has a few solid programs, but on the whole BYU is stronger
unctoothman
7/11/18 11:26am
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Tokolosh
7/11/18 11:53am
If the reason for P10 expansion was money, BYU was a far better fit.
mudpupper
7/11/18 10:00am
Exactly, if BYU wasn't a religious school and a research institute, it would be in over Utah. No questions asked.
Baron
7/11/18 10:06am
TL;DR version
Gustav
7/11/18 9:55am
Here's the history:
Left Shark Coug
7/11/18 10:03am
This is what BYU should have said to the BIG XII:
sanitarium
7/11/18 10:04am
Unfortunately that door is now closed
TNT
7/11/18 10:31am
I see why the article is getting thumbs downs here, but that was good journalism
OPINIONS
7/11/18 10:06am
Utah or Kansas would be if ATM went to the SEC.
displacedute
7/11/18 10:13am
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Everyman
7/11/18 5:50pm
What I gleamed from it
Twin Roots
7/11/18 10:08am
*gleaned
Tokolosh
7/11/18 10:24am
Because that matters
Twin Roots
7/11/18 10:36am
It does. Unless you were telling us the info made you resemble Edward Cullen.
Tokolosh
7/11/18 10:56am
This line is great:
Cougarclaw
7/11/18 10:08am
If B School and Accounting were all that mattered you might have something
Tokolosh
7/11/18 10:25am
There are lots of other departments that are excellent departments beyond the B
Lynk
7/11/18 11:22am
Yes, lots of departments to compare...
Tokolosh
7/11/18 11:34am
Agreed, I do not think it was illogical for the U to be included.
Lynk
7/11/18 11:56am
BYU's a fine school but your blue goggles are on too tight. Keep in mind that
BigBrotherUte
7/12/18 1:24pm
My uneducated opinion
Choke
7/11/18 10:10am
So Hill and Young spent years laying the groundwork
CallingDingo
7/11/18 10:11am
Prop 8 would have killed any groundwork laid.
Cougar Insider
7/11/18 11:34am
This line from Hill stands out to me:
HBCoug
7/11/18 10:20am
Sadly, for far too many BYU fans, the lack of self awareness is terminal.
Bagger Vance
7/11/18 11:06am
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