I find that “higher standard” silly I guess.

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Feb 26, 2021
7:22:23am

StalwartBraveTrue All-American

I find that “higher standard” silly I guess.

And the kind of false idol worship that leads to the problems we see in church culture.

Judge the kids actions for what they are not for what his dad should do while at work. You want to judge it against Christ’s actions that’s fine but it has nothing to do with his dad.

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Occasionally Im reminded about the drastic change that has taken place in Utah regarding those who are BYU and Utah fans

Zach Morris True moderate

2/25/21 8:31am

Intense BYU fanhood is forged in the fires of adversity.

GilaHank

2/25/21 8:33am

40 years of struggle. books are written about stuff like this

2/25/21 8:35am

This is true, I know from experience

CougarLucas

2/25/21 12:57pm

So glad that there’s basketball

kC Cougar

2/25/21 8:34am

The 2020 11-1 season feels good, too.

Benfica1

2/25/21 11:02am

Where did the dad go to school...maybe he got rejected by BYU and chose to go

Don_Juan_El_Guapo

2/25/21 8:35am

I generally don’t understand the concept of feeling mandated to root for the school you attended. Having known several

Zach Morris

2/25/21 8:41am

When you went to high school did you root for another, rival, high school...it's

Don_Juan_El_Guapo

2/25/21 8:43am

^^^THIS^^^ don’t overthink it. really not that complicated.

2/25/21 2:46pm

Sure, not everyone does this and there's nothing that says you have to, but it

Tricky

2/25/21 1:06pm

I grew up a Utah fan. It all changed when after my freshman year at BYU

RipCityCougar

2/25/21 1:20pm

Echo this - Grew up a Utah fan, went to BYU, became a BYU fan

krindorr

2/25/21 3:16pm

Though I'll caveat that I didn't have this same experience when I went to USAFA

krindorr

2/25/21 5:41pm

Agree here. I love BYU and USC. Didn't go to either school.

ReggaeCoug

2/25/21 4:01pm

I agree. I love BYU and Utah's next opponent.

CougarThug

2/25/21 7:15pm

A friend of mine attended USU for undergrad and the U for med school. He has BYU

TailgateU

2/26/21 7:46am

Yep I always root against both Harvard and Yale. They suck!!!!

Q-grr

2/25/21 9:58pm

This used to bother me a lot. I've just accepted it now, and I proudly rep BYU.

DraperCoug22

2/25/21 8:39am

tell him 80K

BYU Grounds

2/25/21 8:44am

Winning solves all ills.

Bluforever

2/25/21 8:48am

This^^^^^^^^^^^^^

bald man

2/25/21 9:34am

Beating Utah repeatedly for several years is the only way to swing the pendulum

ptcougr

2/25/21 2:30pm

Football is King in Utah

moabmax

2/25/21 3:36pm

A large percentage are anti-BYU fans rather than Utah fans

2/25/21 8:49am

Ha.

Cougstreak

2/25/21 9:27am

I think it's just a part of the evolution. Sad, but it does happen.

TailgateU

2/25/21 9:31am

LOL

Regal Ute

2/25/21 1:26pm

Anti-church, axe-to-grinders. It's more about hating BYU than liking the yewts

shammy

2/25/21 4:05pm

Dang that sucks. These kinds of posts are also a good reminder to me that it’s

freekarl

2/25/21 8:52am

I've seen a slowing of that trend the last few years

kccougar

2/25/21 9:00am

A lot of truth here. It’s definitely slowed down over the last 2-3 years.

Zach Morris

2/25/21 9:00am

My boys love to wear their Y gear. They don't hear much smack any more...

Benfica1

2/25/21 9:03am

Interesting. As a school principal, that hasn't really been my experience-

Jomilo21

2/25/21 9:06am

It's certainly lost luster; both because of the imbalance and the lack of impact

krindorr

2/25/21 3:48pm

It's about wins and losses.

Forzaitalia

2/25/21 9:06am

Honestly I don’t think it’s changed that much from when I was a kid

USMCdad

2/25/21 9:21am

I agree with this, I experienced the same as a BYU fan growing up 80s and 90s

trueblue04

2/25/21 9:32am

I never noticed an imbalance in Davis county. I thought it was fairly even in

TailgateU

2/25/21 9:38am

Same. Even a slight BYU lean. Utah fans were fairly quiet, especially given they were bad in football.

Cougstreak

2/25/21 9:53am

If I were to guess, I'd say BYU lean in South Davis County

2/25/21 12:13pm

Say "Hi" to Rachel.

coolblue

2/25/21 12:17pm

Haha, will do.

2/25/21 12:53pm

Part of it is destination of BYU grads vs. Utah grads.

CosmoK

2/25/21 9:22am

This is so true. Kids grew up in UT County

Dbl Nickel

2/25/21 10:33am

Well, “none” and “ever” are a little extreme. I’m a case of someone who left

flyonawall

2/25/21 11:03am

HCBW can only pray you are right.

Dbl Nickel

2/25/21 11:08am

I moved away, got a nice-paying job, then was able to talk them into letting

flyonawall

2/25/21 8:03pm

My experience as a non-Utah Mormon is almost all the Utah Mormons from my

Fargo

2/25/21 2:41pm

Down here in St. George we probably have more BYU fans than U, but it's close

2/25/21 3:00pm

This is just further proof that orthodoxy mormon = wackjob.

2/25/21 9:25am

It's quite simple really. . .BYU enrollment is steady; everyone else is up and

notaboy

2/25/21 9:28am

We orthodox Mormons have been making fun of BYU fans since before I was born.

CrimsonCardinal

2/25/21 9:35am

Yes, make fun of your own church school and support a school who have a vocal

BlooCoog

2/25/21 11:57am

They don’t hate me.

CrimsonCardinal

2/25/21 12:38pm

Are you Mormon? If so, they may not like you either. I attended both Utah & BYU

BlooCoog

2/25/21 12:45pm

That sort of stuff never really bothered me much while I attended Utah. And

kos

2/25/21 1:54pm

Of course they do. You just refuse to acknowledge it

shammy

2/25/21 4:06pm

This is something I think about alot. And I don't think you are right.

Jwine09

2/25/21 9:38am

I was your 7 year old in the early 80s. I’ve lived

2/25/21 10:17am

it's not just about sports

run26

2/25/21 10:25am

It really isn’t about which team they like. I grew up in California. I graduated

RobDog

2/25/21 10:33am

Your son wasn't alive the last time BYU beat Utah...

reddead

2/25/21 10:40am

Ouch

TomPetty

2/25/21 10:42am

RE: Occasionally Im reminded about the drastic change that has taken place in

Ham

2/25/21 10:53am

Two things (CB won't like this). Utah winning and BYU indy -

Moops

2/25/21 11:10am

Nah. It's just about winning.

Benfica1

2/25/21 11:32am

This is where CB is very wrong.

Moops

2/25/21 12:07pm

RE: This is where CB is very wrong.

Benfica1

2/25/21 1:18pm

I also think AAC is our best route to potential P5 inclusion

krindorr

2/25/21 3:56pm

Meh. Tell your kid to punch the Ute in the face and say something to the effect

OldFogey

2/25/21 11:18am

Reality is, kids suck sometimes. They make fun of things they actually like...

Preppy

2/25/21 11:37am

I was a BYU fan in Sandy, Utah in the 80s. BYU rocked, uu sucked. Often I heard

Benfica1

2/25/21 11:47am

you lost me at "white mormons"

Pollster

2/25/21 11:43am

Looks like you're alone.

Brisco

2/25/21 3:48pm

Being an active LDS doesn't mean you should be a BYU fan, especially when it comes to sports

Alpi Gusto

2/25/21 11:50am

It should at least mean you don't spew hate and vitriol at us like yewt fans do

shammy

2/26/21 10:06am

This is the correct take. I also would like to not hate the U, and at times have

TailgateU

2/26/21 11:15am

Utah's elevation to the PAC-12 and Bronco & Kalani's difficulty beating Utah are

BlooCoog

2/25/21 11:55am

Tell him you cheer for your churches school and not for an anti-LDS school

SoValleyCOUG

2/25/21 12:01pm

I don't remember the "Bronco win drought years. I must have missed that.

coolblue

2/25/21 12:12pm

Buy him an Oregon shirt, problem solved

Hutch65

2/25/21 12:12pm

LIFE LESSON. KIDS MAKE FUN OF KIDS FOR EVERYTHING

lilpenny

2/25/21 12:43pm

RE: LIFE LESSON. KIDS MAKE FUN OF KIDS FOR EVERYTHING

2/25/21 1:08pm

it doesn't help that 90% of the kids who get accepted to BYU are nerds

2/25/21 12:46pm

I have a theory that is rooted in who BYU admits, and particularly where from.

cougrfan70

2/25/21 1:12pm

I could argue that it is easier to get into BYU vs certain parts of the country.

Cougstreak

2/25/21 1:59pm

My point is less about comparing acedemics, and more about the Church

cougrfan70

2/25/21 3:28pm

RE: My point is less about comparing acedemics, and more about the Church

Cougstreak

2/25/21 3:45pm

I've said it before and I will say it again...

2/25/21 1:33pm

As others have said, it has to do with where the students come from now

ogdencoug

2/25/21 2:00pm

anyone who doesn't know the difference between UU and U St. is frankly ignorant

run26

2/25/21 2:58pm

Agreed, my 2nd favorite school is the Oregon Beavers.

CougarThug

2/25/21 7:39pm

In the northeast....

Cougstreak

2/25/21 3:15pm

BYU 90 and Utah 147 according to this site.

cougrfan70

2/25/21 3:37pm

people look at US News and World Report generally: it's BYU 80 UU 97

run26

2/25/21 3:39pm

The gap between the two is much larger than USN@WR likes to rank.

cougrfan70

2/25/21 3:42pm

according to you. i guess we can believe you or US News

run26

2/25/21 3:46pm

Interesting.

Cougstreak

2/26/21 10:57am

Correct, except the Y thing.

Benfica1

2/26/21 10:59am

Kind of. BYU is not exactly a big brand name sports program.

Cougstreak

2/26/21 11:17am

And Yale is a no-name sports program. Underselling doesn't make

Benfica1

2/26/21 1:41pm

Yale is a brand name, maybe not in sports, but a global name....don't kid yourself.

Cougstreak

2/26/21 1:47pm

Did anyone say Yale wasn't? My experience: BYU academics/sports is known in NYC

Benfica1

2/26/21 2:14pm

Dishonest? Relax!

Cougstreak

2/26/21 3:26pm

Stop moving the goal posts.

Benfica1

2/26/21 3:55pm

Some of the logos (not necessarily stretch Y) are VERY similar

krindorr

2/26/21 4:17pm

Go Cougs! Yes it gets confused...not everyone knows BYU's logo and Yale is more known here thus confusion

Cougstreak

2/26/21 5:36pm

RE: In the northeast....

TailgateU

2/26/21 11:38am

I think in the 80's it was over 50% BYU students from Utah

cougrfan70

2/25/21 3:31pm

BYU kicks their trash in literally everything except women’s gymnastic and football. That’s it.

2/25/21 2:55pm

Your point is BYU is anything but a Football school...haaaa

Motherchucker

2/25/21 3:00pm

No, my point is BYU is much more than just a football school.

2/25/21 3:11pm

As they say, if you can’t, teach. If you can’t teach, work for the Church

BlackBart

2/25/21 4:12pm

Don't you live around Tooele? That seems to be part of it...

jwf

2/25/21 4:17pm

“Fools mock but they shall mourn.” And does it really matter who his dad is?

StalwartBraveTrue

2/25/21 5:30pm

A kid’s dad interacts with her quorum of the 12 nearly every single day — yet the kid acts like a jackass by poking fun

Zach Morris

2/25/21 7:48pm

Pokes fun at the school of sports teams?

Cougstreak

2/25/21 9:21pm

I find that “higher standard” silly I guess.

StalwartBraveTrue

2/26/21 7:22am

Influx of bandwagon Utah fans is due to far left....

2/25/21 6:51pm

Honestly, I don't see much talk at all about BYU on Utah message boards

krindorr

2/26/21 6:35am

Me either, I never visit there. I appreciate the Utes that come here and post.

Q-grr

2/26/21 7:48am

I'm a fan of both (which I know rubs some people wrong)

krindorr

2/26/21 8:06am

No man can serve 2 masters! It's in the scriptures. lol

OldFogey

2/26/21 10:56am

Somebody has been buying that goofy hat.

Q-grr

2/26/21 8:04pm

Band wagon fans Winning makes a difference but

1CougFan

2/25/21 7:22pm

I used to wear BYU hats and hoodies to work. I had to stop. (Self employed)

MrClark

2/26/21 12:02pm

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