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Jay Rick
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Let’s assume you’re correct, unvaxxed should still stay home to reduce
their own risk of infection and hospitalization. So that they don’t overburden hospitals.
The vaccinated aren’t the ones filling the beds, so they don’t have to worry as much about getting infected.
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17 ICU patients died of COVID over the weekend in our ICU. One was a…
canofpicante
9/22/21 8:38am
In summation: Get vaccinated. Get healthy. In that order.
MarkWatney
9/22/21 8:40am
Love that 2nd point...COVID was an excellent opportunity to call more awareness
ordinary tri guy
9/22/21 11:13am
Imagine how great it would have been if Trump had said "This virus kills fat people, join me as I lose the weight I
HarlemCoug
9/22/21 11:18am
^^^like I said, people make it about politics^^^
ordinary tri guy
9/22/21 1:02pm
Or Fauci could have said it. The fact he didn’t is also telling.
BigEasyCougar
9/23/21 7:13am
While it is true that getting fit reduces your risk there are still too many
StalwartBraveTrue
9/22/21 11:36am
Show us your data to back up "there are still too many cases among the fit"
RUNBYU1
9/22/21 12:56pm
I’m not here to argue that being obese isn’t a risk factor.
StalwartBraveTrue
9/22/21 1:53pm
Obesity was and is the number one indicator of hospitalization and death
ordinary tri guy
9/22/21 1:02pm
Exactly. Your comment is so on point. Get healthy, lose weight, get vaccinated.
RUNBYU1
9/22/21 1:08pm
Exactly. Do both.
oryguncoug
9/23/21 11:48am
It may have been >70% at one point for overweight/obese, but it's consistently >90% unvaccinated. THAT is the single
unctoothman
9/22/21 1:13pm
I don't understand how people can ignore this simple fact regardless of obesity
oryguncoug
9/23/21 5:26pm
It’s about vaccination not political agendas.
StalwartBraveTrue
9/22/21 1:58pm
While obesity may be the number one indicator, the one thing someone can do
Littlerich
9/22/21 3:18pm
Where are you getting that information? Link?
canofpicante
9/23/21 6:23pm
This is not true at all. Best single intervention is the vaccine. Full stop
MDub1
9/22/21 2:04pm
Yep…and people aren’t dying at a high rate
byuguns55
9/22/21 8:09pm
Vaccine question for CB docs? Is there any data on protection for those who
TailgateU
9/22/21 2:07pm
Great question!
RUNBYU1
9/22/21 2:53pm
No. There is no good data. This has not been studied.
StalwartBraveTrue
9/22/21 4:13pm
We need stories like this shared all over social media CB etc. Hopefully they can see these tragedies and change.
Baron
9/22/21 8:43am
So sad
Blueto
9/22/21 8:43am
What hospital do you work at?
IDAHO 4 Y
9/22/21 8:44am
Magic Valley in Twin
canofpicante
9/22/21 8:52am
I think up in sun valley had the worst per capita
johnnycarson
9/22/21 8:56am
Last year. This year it’s worse here.
canofpicante
9/22/21 9:38am
Was this just in Twin or from all of the St Lukes network throughout Idaho?
IDAHO 4 Y
9/22/21 9:52am
All of Idaho is struggling right now.
canofpicante
9/22/21 10:16am
It seems Twin has consistently had near the highest rates in the state.
Joe Banks
9/22/21 2:17pm
It has a huge catchment (probably 300k people). Most rural and uneducated.
canofpicante
9/22/21 2:38pm
Boise area is getting rocked as well. 🙁
Big Daddy D
9/23/21 12:41am
A recently retired doctor I know came out of retirement to help with the COVID
Scratch
9/22/21 8:47am
This has (unfortunately) been a recurring tragedy of the pandemic.
goodcleanfun
9/22/21 9:09am
So vaccination doesn’t do anything to protect them…
pegushin
9/22/21 9:46am
Dumb post of the day right here - already proven to give 5x-6x protection
FallingRock
9/22/21 9:56am
Come on, man.
durandal
9/22/21 10:01am
Pegushin's middle school science teacher was handing back his tests upside down, but he's still here spreading false
Alpi Gusto
9/22/21 10:03am
Can’t blame the unvaccinated for his death, that’s dishonest
pegushin
9/22/21 10:16am
If the unvaccinated would get the vaccine, spread of the disease would decrease and the vaccinated would be far less
durandal
9/22/21 10:34am
Oh please. If the vast majority of this country were vaccinated he'd be alive.
Scratch
9/22/21 10:39am
In the words of Sherman Potter…horse hockey
pegushin
9/22/21 10:54am
Just because you don't understand something doesn't make you right.
Byron McNertney
9/22/21 11:13am
I dont understand that unvaxed didn’t kill this doctor?
pegushin
9/22/21 11:33am
No - you don't understand that with fewer unvaxxed people he would never have...
Eddie
9/22/21 11:40am
Based on your posts in this thread, you don't understand vaccines at all.
Byron McNertney
9/22/21 11:57am
So try and help those that agree that a vaccinated person shouldn’t need
bigbossbyu
9/22/21 11:59am
All of them! That's how vaccines protect the "herd." This has literally been
Byron McNertney
9/22/21 12:18pm
Literally every vaccine. That’s how they work.
Jay Rick
9/22/21 12:24pm
What about natural immunity as well? So if 60-70% of the pop is vaccinated, and
bigbossbyu
9/22/21 12:37pm
Generally speaking, the way vaccines work is by reducing the number of “hosts”
Jay Rick
9/22/21 12:48pm
Thanks for the level headed response. Genuinely appreciate it. Would it be
bigbossbyu
9/22/21 1:05pm
Idk. Here’s my guess though - the increase in numbers is just an overall
Jay Rick
9/22/21 3:07pm
This vaccine does not contain virus and therefore cannot be spread.
StalwartBraveTrue
9/22/21 3:48pm
Good questions!
libertycoug
9/22/21 4:42pm
I'd take those facts about the Pfizer vaccine to a doctor and see what he thinks
greatbam
9/22/21 11:23pm
Delta is a beast. Imagine the hospitals right now if 70% were not vaccinated.
Hill4Heisman
9/22/21 1:25pm
The decision seems pretty easy to me when you look at the numbers:
Mtbcoug
9/22/21 5:17pm
Important study regarding natural immunity versus double vaccination
BYUlum
9/22/21 8:42pm
This has got to be a joke. I’m worried it isn’t.
inutero
9/22/21 8:48pm
Seriously? What about this peer reviewed study about vaccines that don’t stop
bigbossbyu
9/22/21 11:56pm
Here’s what the lead author of that study is to say about the COVID vaccines
ebv
9/23/21 3:46am
Super interesting that's for sure!
RUNBYU1
9/23/21 4:24pm
You're right, bro. This doctor got himself sick and killed himself...
HoustonBYUCoug
9/22/21 2:23pm
the vast majority in this country are vaccinated or or have natural immunity
gilmerbuckeye
9/22/21 11:48am
Isn't most of the country vaxxed already? 62% I believe that is a majority.
CObluezone
9/22/21 12:49pm
Just over 50% fully vaccinated
inutero
9/22/21 8:51pm
Adults. Not total pop
CObluezone
9/23/21 4:50am
The dude came out of retirement to help care for COVID patients.
Eddie
9/22/21 10:40am
RE: Can’t blame the unvaccinated for his death, that’s dishonest
TailgateU
9/22/21 10:48am
In this case, I think you can.
Alpi Gusto
9/22/21 11:38am
If 90% of his community got vaccinated he would’ve been golfing and not working.
StalwartBraveTrue
9/22/21 11:40am
“Someone died while wearing a seatbelt therefore seatbelts don’t save lives.”
Odysseus
9/22/21 10:17am
Pegushin, you eyeroll, but why?
(Private)
9/22/21 12:24pm
Ban him.
Lifer
9/22/21 11:23am
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bigbossbyu
9/22/21 12:45pm
The folks that run this board are anti vaccine sympathizers. He’s not getting
The Old Y
9/23/21 9:53am
RE: The folks that run this board are anti vaccine sympathizers. He’s not
SJS
9/23/21 9:58am
There are breakthrough cases and deaths. Here are the numbers in a good readable
canofpicante
9/22/21 3:01pm
That is the stupidest post of the day.
ditch
9/22/21 4:45pm
Again, how can anyone read this and shrug it off? I don't get it.
jkccoug
9/22/21 10:42am
Sad - people dying of COVID opens beds to care for more COVID patients.
Eddie
9/22/21 8:52am
Frankly, it comes down to selfishness. Had a woman I grew up with
beatnik
9/22/21 9:08am
Vaxxed people spread COVID as much as unvaxxed do.
HighHorse
9/22/21 9:15am
Symptomatic infected vaxxed people spread just as much. But it’s less likely to get infected, so no, you’re wrong.
zsmooth
9/22/21 9:18am
Don't try to bring facts to a battle of meme statements.
chago04
9/22/21 9:21am
Not quite true either. The vaccine doesn't make you less likely to get infected
Mtbcoug
9/22/21 9:23am
That's not true.
TN_Coug
9/22/21 9:25am
Further more
TN_Coug
9/22/21 9:26am
Antibodies fight the virus once the virus has entered your body.
Mtbcoug
9/22/21 9:40am
That's why they say you're not fully vaccinated until 2 wks after last dose.
beatnik
9/22/21 9:44am
Having the virus enter your body doesn't make you sick.
Eddie
9/22/21 9:45am
I never said "sick" in my post. I said infected. Confirmation bias is strong
Mtbcoug
9/22/21 9:59am
You are making a distinction between labeling claims from the manufacturer and what it does in the real world.
TN_Coug
9/22/21 9:54am
No, I'm making a distinction that what was said is not technically true.
Mtbcoug
9/22/21 10:09am
So are you changing your argument now?
TN_Coug
9/22/21 10:11am
Not in the slightest.
Mtbcoug
9/22/21 10:31am
There isn't an easy way to say this. You are 100% wrong.
TN_Coug
9/22/21 10:43am
I dunno - that seemed like a pretty easy way to say it.
Eddie
9/22/21 10:51am
Is there a difference between the virus and the disease, like HIV and AIDS? And
Jay Rick
9/22/21 10:54am
I don't think HIV/AIDS is a good comparison.
TN_Coug
9/22/21 11:31am
No, the vaccine is also effective at preventing infection. Between 4-8x less
chago04
9/22/21 9:25am
Actually - it does both.
Eddie
9/22/21 9:26am
Nope. It doesn't "prevent" it reduces.
Mtbcoug
9/22/21 9:51am
RE: Nope. It doesn't "prevent" it reduces.
TN_Coug
9/22/21 9:55am
Fluoride in water reduces tooth decay. It also prevents tooth decay. One is an epidemiological term, one is a mechanism.
unctoothman
9/22/21 11:18am
UNCtoother articulated it much better than I did. Thanks.
Mtbcoug
9/22/21 12:30pm
I keep seeing anti-vaxx people spread the same lies and half truths each day
WDaddy
9/22/21 9:25am
Shocking that the "do my own research" people misunderstand simple facts.
chago04
9/22/21 9:26am
Just like flat earthers.
Byron McNertney
9/22/21 9:28am
Hey. Don't bring up facts here. The earth is most definitely flat and vaccines are good.
letthewookieewin
9/22/21 9:33am
I live in central Indiana. I can confirm the earth's flatness.
TailgateU
9/22/21 9:38am
I know. I don’t know why i bothered.
zsmooth
9/22/21 9:39am
Is there actual proof of this or are you making it up? Did asymptomatic carriers
bigbossbyu
9/22/21 12:04pm
The studies show they do not shed the vaccine at the same rate as symptomatic.
chago04
9/22/21 1:31pm
Link?
Byron McNertney
9/22/21 9:19am
RE: Vaxxed people spread COVID as much as unvaxxed do.
dYrtbYkerYder
9/22/21 9:20am
Let’s assume you’re correct, unvaxxed should still stay home to reduce
Jay Rick
9/22/21 9:21am
There's more than just that to the story, however, isn't there?
Eddie
9/22/21 9:21am
Exactly. If there is a breakthrough case, the viral loads are similar, but that
dYrtbYkerYder
9/22/21 9:24am
The conservative talk show host must've left that part out.
dYrtbYkerYder
9/22/21 9:25am
This is the equivalent of bringing a knife to a gun fight.
Turnpike Lane
9/22/21 9:25am
A dull plastic butter knife.
chago04
9/22/21 9:35am
Not a single study out there supporting this.
Mtbcoug
9/22/21 9:57am
I'm getting real tired of anti-vaxx crap
FatThor
9/22/21 10:04am
False snd fraudulent. You should be banned for false info
Archaea
9/23/21 10:16pm
El Jefe and the mods are too weak for that. But, they'll suspend you for less.
beatnik
9/24/21 7:14am
It is the harsh truth
bluelands
9/22/21 11:29am
Wow, spoken like a true marxist!! Congrats Commrade.
CObluezone
9/22/21 12:54pm
My cousin just lost his FIL. My wife's best friend just lost her mom. A friend
TailgateU
9/22/21 9:26am
This week I lost my fifth friend to Covid. All of them unvaccinated.
(Private)
9/22/21 9:31am
Holy moly! Sorry, that has to be rough 🙁
jellyfish
9/22/21 9:46am
It is. This last one was a little harder.
(Private)
9/22/21 12:18pm
Is this true? I haven’t lost a single person, not just friend, that I actually
gilmerbuckeye
9/22/21 11:06pm
100% true. I am 42.
(Private)
9/23/21 12:07am
My neighbor is a 70+ obese diabetic and vaccinated.
StalwartBraveTrue
9/22/21 9:38am
This. You might still contract it, but at least you will likely survive.
jellyfish
9/22/21 9:49am
My wife is a respiratory therapist working in the ICU. More than 90% of all
Perseguir
9/22/21 9:49am
In Las Vegas ICU 95% are unvaccinated.
(Private)
9/22/21 10:23am
Sounds about right. What frustrates me most is yesterday we were going to lunch
Perseguir
9/22/21 11:11am
I thought we stopped intubation for covid because extubation rates were so bad?
EQD2
9/22/21 9:51am
Last resort
Turnpike Lane
9/22/21 9:52am
Well cut my life into pieces ...
MormonDevil
9/22/21 10:01am
Suffocation, no breathing
botticus
9/22/21 12:17pm
If a patient is gonna die and we have no other choice, then we give it a shot.
canofpicante
9/22/21 10:18am
Why? Better to die on a vent than off? Or do patients that sick still get off
EQD2
9/22/21 10:22am
Since March 2020 78% Intubated COVID patients have died. But in 22% it helped
canofpicante
9/22/21 2:34pm
So crazy, thanks so much for taking the time to post about this.
Blue for Life
9/22/21 10:02am
Eventually we need to adjust to the permanence of COVID. Healthcare needs to change.
Dr MoBYU
9/22/21 10:19am
I think we just need to respect the choice of the unvaccinated
StalwartBraveTrue
9/22/21 11:48am
Likewise those that have adverse reactions to the vaccine should be withheld
bigbossbyu
9/22/21 12:25pm
A true man of the left. Pathetic bro!! Denying healthcare to unvaxxed???
CObluezone
9/22/21 12:59pm
Uh...you're basically advocating for universal healthcare.
Byron McNertney
9/22/21 1:15pm
This is actually a conservative idea.
StalwartBraveTrue
9/22/21 2:10pm
You are talking about denying treatment based on the disease itself.
CObluezone
9/22/21 2:47pm
You just said what I said using different words.
StalwartBraveTrue
9/22/21 4:00pm
Such a bad idea. Do we refuse treatment for overweight people with diabetes?
BigEasyCougar
9/22/21 1:23pm
When was the last time hospitals ran out of space because hundreds of DKA
StalwartBraveTrue
9/22/21 2:15pm
Let’s do that with drug overdoses, DUIs, etc.
Blue Print
9/22/21 2:22pm
Finally, someone who gets it.
StalwartBraveTrue
9/22/21 4:02pm
So don’t treat them? Wow that’s a slippery slope
BYU '80
9/22/21 7:20pm
Idaho has gone to crisis standards of care because of a choice made by 50%
StalwartBraveTrue
9/22/21 9:51pm
I live in Idaho and denying care to people based on their choices
BYU '80
9/22/21 10:02pm
I get what you are saying.
jellyfish
9/23/21 9:02am
Is it tyrannical and inhumane?
StalwartBraveTrue
9/23/21 10:24am
Idaho is under crisis standards as of a week ago. We Quite literally do not have
canofpicante
9/23/21 11:43am
If we quit taking care of folks who didn’t take care of themselves then we
canofpicante
9/22/21 7:58pm
I completely agree.
StalwartBraveTrue
9/22/21 10:01pm
Yep. Lead by example. But I don’t see anyone telling those that are obese to be
bigbossbyu
9/22/21 10:26pm
Obesity is entirely different.
StalwartBraveTrue
9/23/21 11:02am
To your point, obesity is a far bigger health epidemic in the United States
I'mBatman
9/23/21 1:12pm
If you can read this and shrug it off, I honestly don't get you.
jkccoug
9/22/21 10:40am
Are you responding to the OP? (Edit)
BYU'01
9/22/21 12:20pm
I didn't see the unedited version, but yes I did mean that the OP should not be
jkccoug
9/22/21 1:32pm
And what percentage of those dying are vaccinated compared to unvaccinated?
vabeachcoug
9/22/21 12:01pm
We’ll since vax started we’ve had 1 death of a fully vaccinated lady. She had
canofpicante
9/22/21 2:47pm
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TailgateU
9/22/21 12:51pm
Just curious on the average age and general physical health of those that died?
Thrill
9/22/21 1:35pm
From the article
jellyfish
9/22/21 1:38pm
Not in Idaho, but we had 3 patients under 28 die in our hospital over the weekend. A 4th who was thirty died at home.
TN_Coug
9/22/21 2:16pm
That’s not the question he asked. Co-morbidities for the 30 yr old?
CObluezone
9/22/21 2:50pm
Yep. Almost all certainly had serious health issues or were overweight to obese
RUNBYU1
9/22/21 2:56pm
Do you suggest that they don’t need our help and protection because they’re
StalwartBraveTrue
9/22/21 4:08pm
He specifically asked if the people were generally young. I was answering that part of the question.
TN_Coug
9/22/21 3:38pm
Here’s the crazy thing. The effectiveness of the vaccine doesn’t change by age.
StalwartBraveTrue
9/22/21 4:11pm
I’m curious why you feel this matters?
StalwartBraveTrue
9/22/21 4:05pm
Not sure about the average. But it’s younger this year. At one point every…
canofpicante
9/23/21 9:16am
I also live in the Magic Valley. I keep hearing people say nurses and doctors
Forest Green
9/22/21 4:30pm
96% of doctors got the vaccine.
TN_Coug
9/22/21 4:35pm
Even if true,I don’t think it says anything about the dangers of the vaccine.
StalwartBraveTrue
9/22/21 4:41pm
I totally agree. I’m interested to know how many docs/nurses in MV are actually
Forest Green
9/22/21 8:58pm
Anyone saying this is adding on “and doctors” to make their story sound
Jay Rick
9/22/21 5:12pm
Good point.
Forest Green
9/22/21 8:58pm
It’s now mandated. If they’re working. They got it.
canofpicante
9/23/21 9:18am
Good. I though I heard they extended that though…
Forest Green
9/23/21 10:51am
Fat and old and immune compromised people die
Tsisquan
9/22/21 5:57pm
So why not let anti-vaxxers die of it too. No more admissions for them.
StalwartBraveTrue
9/22/21 6:21pm
Old like a 30 year old who just gave birth?
Northwest Cougar
9/22/21 6:31pm
Crazy part: It’s a different demographic this year. Lots of folks in 40s, 50s,
canofpicante
9/22/21 6:38pm
RE: 17 ICU patients died of COVID over the weekend in our ICU. One was a…
ffcougarfan
9/22/21 6:22pm
Before there were covid19 vaccines, it was an entirely different situation
Belboz
9/22/21 7:57pm
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Joe Banks
9/22/21 8:36pm
🙁
cougarmikey
9/22/21 11:09pm
I hear you man. I appreciate you and your efforts. I agree with everything you
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9/23/21 8:38am
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