RE: Can’t blame the unvaccinated for his death, that’s dishonest

In summation: Get vaccinated. Get healthy. In that order.

MarkWatney

9/22/21 8:40am

Love that 2nd point...COVID was an excellent opportunity to call more awareness

ordinary tri guy

9/22/21 11:13am

Imagine how great it would have been if Trump had said "This virus kills fat people, join me as I lose the weight I

HarlemCoug

9/22/21 11:18am

^^^like I said, people make it about politics^^^

ordinary tri guy

9/22/21 1:02pm

Or Fauci could have said it. The fact he didn’t is also telling.

BigEasyCougar

9/23/21 7:13am

While it is true that getting fit reduces your risk there are still too many

StalwartBraveTrue

9/22/21 11:36am

Show us your data to back up "there are still too many cases among the fit"

RUNBYU1

9/22/21 12:56pm

I’m not here to argue that being obese isn’t a risk factor.

StalwartBraveTrue

9/22/21 1:53pm

Obesity was and is the number one indicator of hospitalization and death

ordinary tri guy

9/22/21 1:02pm

Exactly. Your comment is so on point. Get healthy, lose weight, get vaccinated.

RUNBYU1

9/22/21 1:08pm

Exactly. Do both.

oryguncoug

9/23/21 11:48am

It may have been >70% at one point for overweight/obese, but it's consistently >90% unvaccinated. THAT is the single

unctoothman

9/22/21 1:13pm

I don't understand how people can ignore this simple fact regardless of obesity

oryguncoug

9/23/21 5:26pm

It’s about vaccination not political agendas.

StalwartBraveTrue

9/22/21 1:58pm

While obesity may be the number one indicator, the one thing someone can do

Littlerich

9/22/21 3:18pm

Where are you getting that information? Link?

canofpicante

9/23/21 6:23pm

This is not true at all. Best single intervention is the vaccine. Full stop

MDub1

9/22/21 2:04pm

Yep…and people aren’t dying at a high rate

byuguns55

9/22/21 8:09pm

Vaccine question for CB docs? Is there any data on protection for those who

TailgateU

9/22/21 2:07pm

Great question!

RUNBYU1

9/22/21 2:53pm

No. There is no good data. This has not been studied.

StalwartBraveTrue

9/22/21 4:13pm

We need stories like this shared all over social media CB etc. Hopefully they can see these tragedies and change.

Baron

9/22/21 8:43am

So sad

Blueto

9/22/21 8:43am

What hospital do you work at?

IDAHO 4 Y

9/22/21 8:44am

Magic Valley in Twin

canofpicante

9/22/21 8:52am

I think up in sun valley had the worst per capita

johnnycarson

9/22/21 8:56am

Last year. This year it’s worse here.

canofpicante

9/22/21 9:38am

Was this just in Twin or from all of the St Lukes network throughout Idaho?

IDAHO 4 Y

9/22/21 9:52am

All of Idaho is struggling right now.

canofpicante

9/22/21 10:16am

It seems Twin has consistently had near the highest rates in the state.

Joe Banks

9/22/21 2:17pm

It has a huge catchment (probably 300k people). Most rural and uneducated.

canofpicante

9/22/21 2:38pm

Boise area is getting rocked as well. 🙁

Big Daddy D

9/23/21 12:41am

A recently retired doctor I know came out of retirement to help with the COVID

Scratch

9/22/21 8:47am

This has (unfortunately) been a recurring tragedy of the pandemic.

goodcleanfun

9/22/21 9:09am

So vaccination doesn’t do anything to protect them…

pegushin

9/22/21 9:46am

Dumb post of the day right here - already proven to give 5x-6x protection

FallingRock

9/22/21 9:56am

Come on, man.

durandal

9/22/21 10:01am

Pegushin's middle school science teacher was handing back his tests upside down, but he's still here spreading false

Alpi Gusto

9/22/21 10:03am

Can’t blame the unvaccinated for his death, that’s dishonest

pegushin

9/22/21 10:16am

If the unvaccinated would get the vaccine, spread of the disease would decrease and the vaccinated would be far less

durandal

9/22/21 10:34am

Oh please. If the vast majority of this country were vaccinated he'd be alive.

Scratch

9/22/21 10:39am

In the words of Sherman Potter…horse hockey

pegushin

9/22/21 10:54am

Just because you don't understand something doesn't make you right.

Byron McNertney

9/22/21 11:13am

I dont understand that unvaxed didn’t kill this doctor?

pegushin

9/22/21 11:33am

No - you don't understand that with fewer unvaxxed people he would never have...

Eddie

9/22/21 11:40am

Based on your posts in this thread, you don't understand vaccines at all.

Byron McNertney

9/22/21 11:57am

So try and help those that agree that a vaccinated person shouldn’t need

bigbossbyu

9/22/21 11:59am

All of them! That's how vaccines protect the "herd." This has literally been

Byron McNertney

9/22/21 12:18pm

Literally every vaccine. That’s how they work.

Jay Rick

9/22/21 12:24pm

What about natural immunity as well? So if 60-70% of the pop is vaccinated, and

bigbossbyu

9/22/21 12:37pm

Generally speaking, the way vaccines work is by reducing the number of “hosts”

Jay Rick

9/22/21 12:48pm

Thanks for the level headed response. Genuinely appreciate it. Would it be

bigbossbyu

9/22/21 1:05pm

Idk. Here’s my guess though - the increase in numbers is just an overall

Jay Rick

9/22/21 3:07pm

This vaccine does not contain virus and therefore cannot be spread.

StalwartBraveTrue

9/22/21 3:48pm

Good questions!

libertycoug

9/22/21 4:42pm

I'd take those facts about the Pfizer vaccine to a doctor and see what he thinks

greatbam

9/22/21 11:23pm

Delta is a beast. Imagine the hospitals right now if 70% were not vaccinated.

Hill4Heisman

9/22/21 1:25pm

The decision seems pretty easy to me when you look at the numbers:

Mtbcoug

9/22/21 5:17pm

Important study regarding natural immunity versus double vaccination

BYUlum

9/22/21 8:42pm

This has got to be a joke. I’m worried it isn’t.

inutero

9/22/21 8:48pm

Seriously? What about this peer reviewed study about vaccines that don’t stop

bigbossbyu

9/22/21 11:56pm

Here’s what the lead author of that study is to say about the COVID vaccines

ebv

9/23/21 3:46am

Super interesting that's for sure!

RUNBYU1

9/23/21 4:24pm

You're right, bro. This doctor got himself sick and killed himself...

HoustonBYUCoug

9/22/21 2:23pm

the vast majority in this country are vaccinated or or have natural immunity

gilmerbuckeye

9/22/21 11:48am

Isn't most of the country vaxxed already? 62% I believe that is a majority.

CObluezone

9/22/21 12:49pm

Just over 50% fully vaccinated

inutero

9/22/21 8:51pm

Adults. Not total pop

CObluezone

9/23/21 4:50am

The dude came out of retirement to help care for COVID patients.

Eddie

9/22/21 10:40am

RE: Can’t blame the unvaccinated for his death, that’s dishonest

TailgateU

9/22/21 10:48am

In this case, I think you can.

Alpi Gusto

9/22/21 11:38am

If 90% of his community got vaccinated he would’ve been golfing and not working.

StalwartBraveTrue

9/22/21 11:40am

“Someone died while wearing a seatbelt therefore seatbelts don’t save lives.”

Odysseus

9/22/21 10:17am

Pegushin, you eyeroll, but why?

(Private)

9/22/21 12:24pm

Ban him.

Lifer

9/22/21 11:23am

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bigbossbyu

9/22/21 12:45pm

The folks that run this board are anti vaccine sympathizers. He’s not getting

The Old Y

9/23/21 9:53am

RE: The folks that run this board are anti vaccine sympathizers. He’s not

SJS

9/23/21 9:58am

There are breakthrough cases and deaths. Here are the numbers in a good readable

canofpicante

9/22/21 3:01pm

That is the stupidest post of the day.

ditch

9/22/21 4:45pm

Again, how can anyone read this and shrug it off? I don't get it.

jkccoug

9/22/21 10:42am

Sad - people dying of COVID opens beds to care for more COVID patients.

Eddie

9/22/21 8:52am

Frankly, it comes down to selfishness. Had a woman I grew up with

beatnik

9/22/21 9:08am

Vaxxed people spread COVID as much as unvaxxed do.

HighHorse

9/22/21 9:15am

Symptomatic infected vaxxed people spread just as much. But it’s less likely to get infected, so no, you’re wrong.

zsmooth

9/22/21 9:18am

Don't try to bring facts to a battle of meme statements.

chago04

9/22/21 9:21am

Not quite true either. The vaccine doesn't make you less likely to get infected

Mtbcoug

9/22/21 9:23am

That's not true.

TN_Coug

9/22/21 9:25am

Further more

TN_Coug

9/22/21 9:26am

Antibodies fight the virus once the virus has entered your body.

Mtbcoug

9/22/21 9:40am

That's why they say you're not fully vaccinated until 2 wks after last dose.

beatnik

9/22/21 9:44am

Having the virus enter your body doesn't make you sick.

Eddie

9/22/21 9:45am

I never said "sick" in my post. I said infected. Confirmation bias is strong

Mtbcoug

9/22/21 9:59am

You are making a distinction between labeling claims from the manufacturer and what it does in the real world.

TN_Coug

9/22/21 9:54am

No, I'm making a distinction that what was said is not technically true.

Mtbcoug

9/22/21 10:09am

So are you changing your argument now?

TN_Coug

9/22/21 10:11am

Not in the slightest.

Mtbcoug

9/22/21 10:31am

There isn't an easy way to say this. You are 100% wrong.

TN_Coug

9/22/21 10:43am

I dunno - that seemed like a pretty easy way to say it.

Eddie

9/22/21 10:51am

Is there a difference between the virus and the disease, like HIV and AIDS? And

Jay Rick

9/22/21 10:54am

I don't think HIV/AIDS is a good comparison.

TN_Coug

9/22/21 11:31am

No, the vaccine is also effective at preventing infection. Between 4-8x less

chago04

9/22/21 9:25am

Actually - it does both.

Eddie

9/22/21 9:26am

Nope. It doesn't "prevent" it reduces.

Mtbcoug

9/22/21 9:51am

RE: Nope. It doesn't "prevent" it reduces.

TN_Coug

9/22/21 9:55am

Fluoride in water reduces tooth decay. It also prevents tooth decay. One is an epidemiological term, one is a mechanism.

unctoothman

9/22/21 11:18am

UNCtoother articulated it much better than I did. Thanks.

Mtbcoug

9/22/21 12:30pm

I keep seeing anti-vaxx people spread the same lies and half truths each day

WDaddy

9/22/21 9:25am

Shocking that the "do my own research" people misunderstand simple facts.

chago04

9/22/21 9:26am

Just like flat earthers.

Byron McNertney

9/22/21 9:28am

Hey. Don't bring up facts here. The earth is most definitely flat and vaccines are good.

letthewookieewin

9/22/21 9:33am

I live in central Indiana. I can confirm the earth's flatness.

TailgateU

9/22/21 9:38am

I know. I don’t know why i bothered.

zsmooth

9/22/21 9:39am

Is there actual proof of this or are you making it up? Did asymptomatic carriers

bigbossbyu

9/22/21 12:04pm

The studies show they do not shed the vaccine at the same rate as symptomatic.

chago04

9/22/21 1:31pm

Link?

Byron McNertney

9/22/21 9:19am

RE: Vaxxed people spread COVID as much as unvaxxed do.

dYrtbYkerYder

9/22/21 9:20am

Let’s assume you’re correct, unvaxxed should still stay home to reduce

Jay Rick

9/22/21 9:21am

There's more than just that to the story, however, isn't there?

Eddie

9/22/21 9:21am

Exactly. If there is a breakthrough case, the viral loads are similar, but that

dYrtbYkerYder

9/22/21 9:24am

The conservative talk show host must've left that part out.

dYrtbYkerYder

9/22/21 9:25am

This is the equivalent of bringing a knife to a gun fight.

Turnpike Lane

9/22/21 9:25am

A dull plastic butter knife.

chago04

9/22/21 9:35am

Not a single study out there supporting this.

Mtbcoug

9/22/21 9:57am

I'm getting real tired of anti-vaxx crap

FatThor

9/22/21 10:04am

False snd fraudulent. You should be banned for false info

Archaea

9/23/21 10:16pm

El Jefe and the mods are too weak for that. But, they'll suspend you for less.

beatnik

9/24/21 7:14am

It is the harsh truth

bluelands

9/22/21 11:29am

Wow, spoken like a true marxist!! Congrats Commrade.

CObluezone

9/22/21 12:54pm

My cousin just lost his FIL. My wife's best friend just lost her mom. A friend

TailgateU

9/22/21 9:26am

This week I lost my fifth friend to Covid. All of them unvaccinated.

(Private)

9/22/21 9:31am

Holy moly! Sorry, that has to be rough 🙁

jellyfish

9/22/21 9:46am

It is. This last one was a little harder.

(Private)

9/22/21 12:18pm

Is this true? I haven’t lost a single person, not just friend, that I actually

gilmerbuckeye

9/22/21 11:06pm

100% true. I am 42.

(Private)

9/23/21 12:07am

My neighbor is a 70+ obese diabetic and vaccinated.

StalwartBraveTrue

9/22/21 9:38am

This. You might still contract it, but at least you will likely survive.

jellyfish

9/22/21 9:49am

My wife is a respiratory therapist working in the ICU. More than 90% of all

Perseguir

9/22/21 9:49am

In Las Vegas ICU 95% are unvaccinated.

(Private)

9/22/21 10:23am

Sounds about right. What frustrates me most is yesterday we were going to lunch

Perseguir

9/22/21 11:11am

I thought we stopped intubation for covid because extubation rates were so bad?

EQD2

9/22/21 9:51am

Last resort

Turnpike Lane

9/22/21 9:52am

Well cut my life into pieces ...

MormonDevil

9/22/21 10:01am

Suffocation, no breathing

botticus

9/22/21 12:17pm

If a patient is gonna die and we have no other choice, then we give it a shot.

canofpicante

9/22/21 10:18am

Why? Better to die on a vent than off? Or do patients that sick still get off

EQD2

9/22/21 10:22am

Since March 2020 78% Intubated COVID patients have died. But in 22% it helped

canofpicante

9/22/21 2:34pm

So crazy, thanks so much for taking the time to post about this.

Blue for Life

9/22/21 10:02am

Eventually we need to adjust to the permanence of COVID. Healthcare needs to change.

Dr MoBYU

9/22/21 10:19am

I think we just need to respect the choice of the unvaccinated

StalwartBraveTrue

9/22/21 11:48am

Likewise those that have adverse reactions to the vaccine should be withheld

bigbossbyu

9/22/21 12:25pm

A true man of the left. Pathetic bro!! Denying healthcare to unvaxxed???

CObluezone

9/22/21 12:59pm

Uh...you're basically advocating for universal healthcare.

Byron McNertney

9/22/21 1:15pm

This is actually a conservative idea.

StalwartBraveTrue

9/22/21 2:10pm

You are talking about denying treatment based on the disease itself.

CObluezone

9/22/21 2:47pm

You just said what I said using different words.

StalwartBraveTrue

9/22/21 4:00pm

Such a bad idea. Do we refuse treatment for overweight people with diabetes?

BigEasyCougar

9/22/21 1:23pm

When was the last time hospitals ran out of space because hundreds of DKA

StalwartBraveTrue

9/22/21 2:15pm

Let’s do that with drug overdoses, DUIs, etc.

Blue Print

9/22/21 2:22pm

Finally, someone who gets it.

StalwartBraveTrue

9/22/21 4:02pm

So don’t treat them? Wow that’s a slippery slope

BYU '80

9/22/21 7:20pm

Idaho has gone to crisis standards of care because of a choice made by 50%

StalwartBraveTrue

9/22/21 9:51pm

I live in Idaho and denying care to people based on their choices

BYU '80

9/22/21 10:02pm

I get what you are saying.

jellyfish

9/23/21 9:02am

Is it tyrannical and inhumane?

StalwartBraveTrue

9/23/21 10:24am

Idaho is under crisis standards as of a week ago. We Quite literally do not have

canofpicante

9/23/21 11:43am

If we quit taking care of folks who didn’t take care of themselves then we

canofpicante

9/22/21 7:58pm

I completely agree.

StalwartBraveTrue

9/22/21 10:01pm

Yep. Lead by example. But I don’t see anyone telling those that are obese to be

bigbossbyu

9/22/21 10:26pm

Obesity is entirely different.

StalwartBraveTrue

9/23/21 11:02am

To your point, obesity is a far bigger health epidemic in the United States

I'mBatman

9/23/21 1:12pm

If you can read this and shrug it off, I honestly don't get you.

jkccoug

9/22/21 10:40am

Are you responding to the OP? (Edit)

BYU'01

9/22/21 12:20pm

I didn't see the unedited version, but yes I did mean that the OP should not be

jkccoug

9/22/21 1:32pm

And what percentage of those dying are vaccinated compared to unvaccinated?

vabeachcoug

9/22/21 12:01pm

We’ll since vax started we’ve had 1 death of a fully vaccinated lady. She had

canofpicante

9/22/21 2:47pm

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TailgateU

9/22/21 12:51pm

Just curious on the average age and general physical health of those that died?

Thrill

9/22/21 1:35pm

From the article

jellyfish

9/22/21 1:38pm

Not in Idaho, but we had 3 patients under 28 die in our hospital over the weekend. A 4th who was thirty died at home.

TN_Coug

9/22/21 2:16pm

That’s not the question he asked. Co-morbidities for the 30 yr old?

CObluezone

9/22/21 2:50pm

Yep. Almost all certainly had serious health issues or were overweight to obese

RUNBYU1

9/22/21 2:56pm

Do you suggest that they don’t need our help and protection because they’re

StalwartBraveTrue

9/22/21 4:08pm

He specifically asked if the people were generally young. I was answering that part of the question.

TN_Coug

9/22/21 3:38pm

Here’s the crazy thing. The effectiveness of the vaccine doesn’t change by age.

StalwartBraveTrue

9/22/21 4:11pm

I’m curious why you feel this matters?

StalwartBraveTrue

9/22/21 4:05pm

Not sure about the average. But it’s younger this year. At one point every…

canofpicante

9/23/21 9:16am

I also live in the Magic Valley. I keep hearing people say nurses and doctors

Forest Green

9/22/21 4:30pm

96% of doctors got the vaccine.

TN_Coug

9/22/21 4:35pm

Even if true,I don’t think it says anything about the dangers of the vaccine.

StalwartBraveTrue

9/22/21 4:41pm

I totally agree. I’m interested to know how many docs/nurses in MV are actually

Forest Green

9/22/21 8:58pm

Anyone saying this is adding on “and doctors” to make their story sound

Jay Rick

9/22/21 5:12pm

Good point.

Forest Green

9/22/21 8:58pm

It’s now mandated. If they’re working. They got it.

canofpicante

9/23/21 9:18am

Good. I though I heard they extended that though…

Forest Green

9/23/21 10:51am

Fat and old and immune compromised people die

Tsisquan

9/22/21 5:57pm

So why not let anti-vaxxers die of it too. No more admissions for them.

StalwartBraveTrue

9/22/21 6:21pm

Old like a 30 year old who just gave birth?

Northwest Cougar

9/22/21 6:31pm

Crazy part: It’s a different demographic this year. Lots of folks in 40s, 50s,

canofpicante

9/22/21 6:38pm

RE: 17 ICU patients died of COVID over the weekend in our ICU. One was a…

ffcougarfan

9/22/21 6:22pm

Before there were covid19 vaccines, it was an entirely different situation

Belboz

9/22/21 7:57pm

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Joe Banks

9/22/21 8:36pm

🙁

cougarmikey

9/22/21 11:09pm

I hear you man. I appreciate you and your efforts. I agree with everything you

fiberpost

9/23/21 8:38am

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