But does it make it any less true if it comes from a UC Berkeley prof?

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May 16, 2022
12:26:33pm

TheWanderer Royalist

But does it make it any less true if it comes from a UC Berkeley prof?

I mean, we're pretty much saying that the best scenario is that BYU students never hear anything negative and remain aloof. Because, otherwise they might discover that there are challenging parts of Church history.

There is much fear over such a minuscule issue.

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BYU engineering is ranked 102 - my 17 year old is really smart and wants to be

dixdog

5/16/22 9:47am

go to a highly ranked grad school when the time comes.

Avery

5/16/22 9:48am

Agree. At least in my experience, grad school matters more.

Boring

5/16/22 10:09am

BYU engineering has on of the best post-grad placements

novacoug1

5/16/22 10:21am

There are good institutes at most schools these days, fwiw

OldFogey

5/16/22 9:48am

I don't agree with this. Very weak at most schools.

Lifer

5/16/22 11:16am

Um...okay. You're not right, but whatevs

OldFogey

5/16/22 1:23pm

Have you ever been east of the Rockies?

Lifer

5/16/22 7:15pm

Lol. How about east of Heber City?

Shore10

5/16/22 8:48pm

I've been east of Provo once...to Heber. Great institute in Heber

OldFogey

5/16/22 8:53pm

Lifer has been to all schools and seen them

5/16/22 1:46pm

Which state?

Shore10

5/16/22 2:42pm

My institute in MN had like 3 people.

Shore10

5/16/22 2:41pm

Those schools have Institute programs. BYU is great but other schools can be better for some kids.

5/16/22 9:50am

Unless she is going to MIT instead I wouldn't worry much about that ranking.

JuicyJam

5/16/22 9:51am

I question your belief that most BYU engineering student got 1570 on SAT

AggieWeekendCougar

5/16/22 9:55am

Is the upper limit still 1600 or is it higher now? If it's still 1600, then yeah....no way is that anywhere close to avg

SingleStrapBackpack

5/16/22 9:57am

I guess I'm not as familiar with SAT scores.

JuicyJam

5/16/22 9:59am

Yeah, 1570 is high-35/low-36.

AggieWeekendCougar

5/16/22 12:42pm

that's ridiculous given the workload engineering students at BYU are given

Mayor of Cougartown

5/16/22 9:52am

With a 1570 on the SAT, she will get into anywhere she wants. High 99th percenti

AggieWeekendCougar

5/16/22 9:54am

This is not true. There are many, many kids with that kind of score who don't get in where they want.

No touching

5/16/22 1:15pm

half of the kids who apply to Harvard with perfect SAT scores are rejected.

HarlemCoug

5/16/22 2:16pm

Some of those are because they racially profiled Asian applicants.

AggieWeekendCougar

5/16/22 2:53pm

This is why my daughter is feeling so down.

dixdog

5/16/22 2:55pm

IMO, it's kind of like law school in that the school ranking matters much more

gwalker

5/16/22 9:54am

I graduated from BYU with a civil eng degree. I think going to a so-called top school is way overrated in general for

SingleStrapBackpack

5/16/22 9:56am

I have hired many engineering students and have found that the school has little

Pangare

5/16/22 11:53am

By that criteria, I should make a terrible engineer 🙂

SingleStrapBackpack

5/16/22 12:55pm

Well, of course it isn't universally true. But I do think that most of the really good engineers come with a mindset

dilbert

5/17/22 3:23pm

I think if you are one of these sort of people, BYU isn't the best fit

novacoug1

5/17/22 3:29pm

I imagine it depends on the details. In EE (my major), I felt like I got plenty of hands on experience in labs.

dilbert

5/17/22 3:49pm

naw. an Engineering degree just adds tools to the toolbox of real engineers.

Pangare

5/17/22 4:38pm

My daughter was the same. 35 on the ACT, National Merit Scholar, etc.

Skeptical Optimist

5/16/22 9:56am

The discipline itself is challenging no matter where one studies it.

Archaea

5/16/22 10:47am

Yes, and an Engineering degree from BYU will get just as many job offers as

Skeptical Optimist

5/16/22 10:54am

That's a very generic declaration.

Archaea

5/16/22 11:46am

Same for my daughter- valedictorian, 35 ACT

WiCougarman

5/16/22 1:09pm

I may be wrong but I don't think the school makes a difference in likelihood

crazY

5/16/22 9:57am

As a HS student your world revolves around the ACT/SAT.

TheWanderer

5/16/22 9:58am

Okay, here's my experience as a byu ee grad. I've worked with MIT, RPI, Georgia

BlueTooth

5/16/22 9:59am

I agree and with very similar professional experience

justAnotherCoug

5/16/22 10:50am

As a BYU chemical engineering grad, this has been my observation as well.

j20

5/16/22 10:54am

Does it really matter? Isn't that a field

JOPE

5/16/22 9:59am

Plus woman? She could punch her card literally anywhere

kotacoug

5/16/22 10:00am

BYU has one of the best undergrad engineering programs.

3ngin33rCoug

5/16/22 10:04am

The industry regards BYU engineering better than academia, because they look at

Mitty

5/16/22 10:01am

This is true. My EE degree from BYU included much more practical courses and

Skeptical Optimist

5/16/22 10:07am

I did CompE at BYU. Always felt my schooling was at least as good as my

Mitty

5/16/22 12:34pm

Does she know what type of engineering or what she'd like to do as a career?

NarfUte

5/16/22 10:02am

This is true. The BYU chemical engineering department has

JuicyJam

5/16/22 10:11am

I don’t think that ranking is very relevant to the quality of a BYU

Doctor Rosenrosen

5/16/22 10:02am

BYU's engineering program is just fine. I understand that she has off the

cougarfan84

5/16/22 10:04am

What does she want to do with engineering?

MetaLearner

5/16/22 10:16am

If your household income is less than $150k, Stanford tuition is free. It’s the

DwigtA2RM

5/16/22 10:16am

That would kinda suck to be making $151k and disqualify for that 🙂

Avery

5/16/22 10:30am

Tell me about it. My oldest would have had a good chance at Stanford, but with

DwigtA2RM

5/16/22 10:50am

Does she WANT to go to BYU?

Shore10

5/16/22 10:20am

My son wants to be an engineer and this is his plan.

cruiserhead

5/16/22 10:33am

The aerospace program is top 50 I think.

Shore10

5/16/22 10:43am

I've known more people that went Ivy league from USU than BYU.

Shore10

5/16/22 10:47am

Ivy's aren't known for engineering. There are maybe 2 out of the top 20 PhD

jvquarterback

5/16/22 1:16pm

USU is really a good option, rivalry smack aside.

dilbert

5/17/22 5:44pm

I have a family of engineers.

Archaea

5/16/22 10:21am

Here is a list of their programs. LINK

Archaea

5/16/22 10:35am

You worry about her falling away from the church if she doesn’t go to BYU?

cruiserhead

5/16/22 10:32am

I went to a top 3 engineering program for 3 semesters then transferred to BYU.

jvquarterback

5/16/22 10:36am

South Dakota School of Mines and Technology

Somerluvr

5/16/22 10:37am

BYU’s engineering program is ranked lower because of research dollars. She’ll

WDaddy

5/16/22 10:47am

I see she's citing USnews which heavily weights research (so the PhD program).

jvquarterback

5/16/22 10:47am

Those are great points. There are rankings for individual undergraduate depart-

Archaea

5/16/22 10:49am

The USNews rank does not mean at all what people assume it does.

TheWanderer

5/16/22 10:57am

Great points

dilbert

5/17/22 3:40pm

BYU is highly competitive for many reasons other than academics.

Shore10

5/16/22 10:54am

Plenty of kids go to BYU and fall away. Let her go where she wants to.

LumberCoug

5/16/22 11:08am

I would hypothesize that the retention rates for BYU students are MUCH higher.

TheWanderer

5/16/22 11:18am

Without disagreeing much with what you said, I will say that a student going

gwalker

5/16/22 11:52am

But does it make it any less true if it comes from a UC Berkeley prof?

TheWanderer

5/16/22 12:26pm

She's probably gonna hear it anyway. Better to it framed by a BYU professor. I

Genghis Spreads

5/16/22 5:02pm

IMO there's a difference between a Susan Easton Black that tells you everything

gwalker

5/17/22 9:52am

You have an example of such perniciousness?

Genghis Spreads

5/17/22 9:57am

If BYU is not creating an environment these kids like, why not leave?

TheWanderer

5/17/22 10:35am

You assume we believe the conspiracy theory you just articulated.

Archaea

5/17/22 11:23am

This has to be a joke.

Genghis Spreads

5/17/22 1:07pm

If you are that fragile, work later in life will challenge you.

Archaea

5/17/22 10:43am

I'll tour you and your daughter through our BYU Engineering Facilities, then she

BritishCoug

5/16/22 11:26am

I am sure there other good options vs BYU.

Cougstreak

5/16/22 11:57am

Oklahoma State is a top-ranked engineering school & they have a good student

BleedCougarBlue2

5/16/22 12:01pm

If she goes to a state school, it’ll probably be University of Texas

dixdog

5/16/22 12:52pm

Great school. Texas (the state) has a good number of members and growing.

Cougstreak

5/16/22 1:02pm

UT is a great option. My daughter will consider Cal, UCLA, and some other

jvquarterback

5/16/22 1:07pm

Add to the list that BYU is dirt cheap. Also, I think you can do Jerusalem without being at BYU.

Cougstreak

5/16/22 1:13pm

Even the UC schools are >2x BYU tuition. COA is even higher. Jerusalem is only

jvquarterback

5/16/22 1:18pm

Are you sure about Jerusalem or has it changed?

Cougstreak

5/16/22 1:26pm

Yes. It's changed and you can't go until your 4th semester at the earliest now.

jvquarterback

5/16/22 2:31pm

Wow, I am out of the loop.

Cougstreak

5/16/22 2:35pm

What kind of engineering? If she's looking at computer, she should take a look at IS in the business school. It's

jaromp

5/16/22 12:03pm

IS is very different from engineering

MetaLearner

5/16/22 10:06pm

That depends. BYU's IS is highly technical compared to other schools. Most of those I know who have gone through

jaromp

5/16/22 10:30pm

Good to know. Has it changed much in the last decade+?

MetaLearner

5/17/22 11:11am

In my field (medicine) the only degree people care about is the last one you get

5/16/22 1:04pm

It is the same in engineering. No one cares at all about your undergrad degree if you got a masters or PhD.

dilbert

5/17/22 8:15pm

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