IMO there's a difference between a Susan Easton Black that tells you everything

May 17, 2022
9:52:38am

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about church history, warts and all, and does it in a way that doesn't destroy faith and some of the current BYU professors whose goal is to subtly hide their attempts to destroy the faith of their students.

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BYU engineering is ranked 102 - my 17 year old is really smart and wants to be

dixdog

5/16/22 9:47am

go to a highly ranked grad school when the time comes.

Avery

5/16/22 9:48am

Agree. At least in my experience, grad school matters more.

Boring

5/16/22 10:09am

BYU engineering has on of the best post-grad placements

novacoug1

5/16/22 10:21am

There are good institutes at most schools these days, fwiw

OldFogey

5/16/22 9:48am

I don't agree with this. Very weak at most schools.

Lifer

5/16/22 11:16am

Um...okay. You're not right, but whatevs

OldFogey

5/16/22 1:23pm

Have you ever been east of the Rockies?

Lifer

5/16/22 7:15pm

Lol. How about east of Heber City?

Shore10

5/16/22 8:48pm

I've been east of Provo once...to Heber. Great institute in Heber

OldFogey

5/16/22 8:53pm

Lifer has been to all schools and seen them

Swishfromdeep3

5/16/22 1:46pm

Which state?

Shore10

5/16/22 2:42pm

My institute in MN had like 3 people.

Shore10

5/16/22 2:41pm

Those schools have Institute programs. BYU is great but other schools can be better for some kids.

Turnpike Lane

5/16/22 9:50am

Unless she is going to MIT instead I wouldn't worry much about that ranking.

JuicyJam

5/16/22 9:51am

I question your belief that most BYU engineering student got 1570 on SAT

AggieWeekendCougar

5/16/22 9:55am

Is the upper limit still 1600 or is it higher now? If it's still 1600, then yeah....no way is that anywhere close to avg

SingleStrapBackpack

5/16/22 9:57am

I guess I'm not as familiar with SAT scores.

JuicyJam

5/16/22 9:59am

Yeah, 1570 is high-35/low-36.

AggieWeekendCougar

5/16/22 12:42pm

that's ridiculous given the workload engineering students at BYU are given

Mayor of Cougartown

5/16/22 9:52am

With a 1570 on the SAT, she will get into anywhere she wants. High 99th percenti

AggieWeekendCougar

5/16/22 9:54am

This is not true. There are many, many kids with that kind of score who don't get in where they want.

No touching

5/16/22 1:15pm

half of the kids who apply to Harvard with perfect SAT scores are rejected.

HarlemCoug

5/16/22 2:16pm

Some of those are because they racially profiled Asian applicants.

AggieWeekendCougar

5/16/22 2:53pm

This is why my daughter is feeling so down.

dixdog

5/16/22 2:55pm

IMO, it's kind of like law school in that the school ranking matters much more

gwalker

5/16/22 9:54am

I graduated from BYU with a civil eng degree. I think going to a so-called top school is way overrated in general for

SingleStrapBackpack

5/16/22 9:56am

I have hired many engineering students and have found that the school has little

Pangare

5/16/22 11:53am

By that criteria, I should make a terrible engineer 🙂

SingleStrapBackpack

5/16/22 12:55pm

Well, of course it isn't universally true. But I do think that most of the really good engineers come with a mindset

dilbert

5/17/22 3:23pm

I think if you are one of these sort of people, BYU isn't the best fit

novacoug1

5/17/22 3:29pm

I imagine it depends on the details. In EE (my major), I felt like I got plenty of hands on experience in labs.

dilbert

5/17/22 3:49pm

naw. an Engineering degree just adds tools to the toolbox of real engineers.

Pangare

5/17/22 4:38pm

My daughter was the same. 35 on the ACT, National Merit Scholar, etc.

Skeptical Optimist

5/16/22 9:56am

The discipline itself is challenging no matter where one studies it.

Archaea

5/16/22 10:47am

Yes, and an Engineering degree from BYU will get just as many job offers as

Skeptical Optimist

5/16/22 10:54am

That's a very generic declaration.

Archaea

5/16/22 11:46am

Same for my daughter- valedictorian, 35 ACT

WiCougarman

5/16/22 1:09pm

I may be wrong but I don't think the school makes a difference in likelihood

crazY

5/16/22 9:57am

As a HS student your world revolves around the ACT/SAT.

TheWanderer

5/16/22 9:58am

Okay, here's my experience as a byu ee grad. I've worked with MIT, RPI, Georgia

BlueTooth

5/16/22 9:59am

I agree and with very similar professional experience

justAnotherCoug

5/16/22 10:50am

As a BYU chemical engineering grad, this has been my observation as well.

j20

5/16/22 10:54am

Does it really matter? Isn't that a field

JOPE

5/16/22 9:59am

Plus woman? She could punch her card literally anywhere

kotacoug

5/16/22 10:00am

BYU has one of the best undergrad engineering programs.

3ngin33rCoug

5/16/22 10:04am

The industry regards BYU engineering better than academia, because they look at

Mitty

5/16/22 10:01am

This is true. My EE degree from BYU included much more practical courses and

Skeptical Optimist

5/16/22 10:07am

I did CompE at BYU. Always felt my schooling was at least as good as my

Mitty

5/16/22 12:34pm

Does she know what type of engineering or what she'd like to do as a career?

NarfUte

5/16/22 10:02am

This is true. The BYU chemical engineering department has

JuicyJam

5/16/22 10:11am

I don’t think that ranking is very relevant to the quality of a BYU

Doctor Rosenrosen

5/16/22 10:02am

BYU's engineering program is just fine. I understand that she has off the

cougarfan84

5/16/22 10:04am

What does she want to do with engineering?

MetaLearner

5/16/22 10:16am

If your household income is less than $150k, Stanford tuition is free. It’s the

DwigtA2RM

5/16/22 10:16am

That would kinda suck to be making $151k and disqualify for that 🙂

Avery

5/16/22 10:30am

Tell me about it. My oldest would have had a good chance at Stanford, but with

DwigtA2RM

5/16/22 10:50am

Does she WANT to go to BYU?

Shore10

5/16/22 10:20am

My son wants to be an engineer and this is his plan.

cruiserhead

5/16/22 10:33am

The aerospace program is top 50 I think.

Shore10

5/16/22 10:43am

I've known more people that went Ivy league from USU than BYU.

Shore10

5/16/22 10:47am

Ivy's aren't known for engineering. There are maybe 2 out of the top 20 PhD

jvquarterback

5/16/22 1:16pm

USU is really a good option, rivalry smack aside.

dilbert

5/17/22 5:44pm

I have a family of engineers.

Archaea

5/16/22 10:21am

Here is a list of their programs. LINK

Archaea

5/16/22 10:35am

You worry about her falling away from the church if she doesn’t go to BYU?

cruiserhead

5/16/22 10:32am

I went to a top 3 engineering program for 3 semesters then transferred to BYU.

jvquarterback

5/16/22 10:36am

South Dakota School of Mines and Technology

Somerluvr

5/16/22 10:37am

BYU’s engineering program is ranked lower because of research dollars. She’ll

WDaddy

5/16/22 10:47am

I see she's citing USnews which heavily weights research (so the PhD program).

jvquarterback

5/16/22 10:47am

Those are great points. There are rankings for individual undergraduate depart-

Archaea

5/16/22 10:49am

The USNews rank does not mean at all what people assume it does.

TheWanderer

5/16/22 10:57am

Great points

dilbert

5/17/22 3:40pm

BYU is highly competitive for many reasons other than academics.

Shore10

5/16/22 10:54am

Plenty of kids go to BYU and fall away. Let her go where she wants to.

LumberCoug

5/16/22 11:08am

I would hypothesize that the retention rates for BYU students are MUCH higher.

TheWanderer

5/16/22 11:18am

Without disagreeing much with what you said, I will say that a student going

gwalker

5/16/22 11:52am

But does it make it any less true if it comes from a UC Berkeley prof?

TheWanderer

5/16/22 12:26pm

She's probably gonna hear it anyway. Better to it framed by a BYU professor. I

Genghis Spreads

5/16/22 5:02pm

IMO there's a difference between a Susan Easton Black that tells you everything

gwalker

5/17/22 9:52am

You have an example of such perniciousness?

Genghis Spreads

5/17/22 9:57am

If BYU is not creating an environment these kids like, why not leave?

TheWanderer

5/17/22 10:35am

You assume we believe the conspiracy theory you just articulated.

Archaea

5/17/22 11:23am

This has to be a joke.

Genghis Spreads

5/17/22 1:07pm

If you are that fragile, work later in life will challenge you.

Archaea

5/17/22 10:43am

I'll tour you and your daughter through our BYU Engineering Facilities, then she

BritishCoug

5/16/22 11:26am

I am sure there other good options vs BYU.

Cougstreak

5/16/22 11:57am

Oklahoma State is a top-ranked engineering school & they have a good student

BleedCougarBlue2

5/16/22 12:01pm

If she goes to a state school, it’ll probably be University of Texas

dixdog

5/16/22 12:52pm

Great school. Texas (the state) has a good number of members and growing.

Cougstreak

5/16/22 1:02pm

UT is a great option. My daughter will consider Cal, UCLA, and some other

jvquarterback

5/16/22 1:07pm

Add to the list that BYU is dirt cheap. Also, I think you can do Jerusalem without being at BYU.

Cougstreak

5/16/22 1:13pm

Even the UC schools are >2x BYU tuition. COA is even higher. Jerusalem is only

jvquarterback

5/16/22 1:18pm

Are you sure about Jerusalem or has it changed?

Cougstreak

5/16/22 1:26pm

Yes. It's changed and you can't go until your 4th semester at the earliest now.

jvquarterback

5/16/22 2:31pm

Wow, I am out of the loop.

Cougstreak

5/16/22 2:35pm

What kind of engineering? If she's looking at computer, she should take a look at IS in the business school. It's

jaromp

5/16/22 12:03pm

IS is very different from engineering

MetaLearner

5/16/22 10:06pm

That depends. BYU's IS is highly technical compared to other schools. Most of those I know who have gone through

jaromp

5/16/22 10:30pm

Good to know. Has it changed much in the last decade+?

MetaLearner

5/17/22 11:11am

In my field (medicine) the only degree people care about is the last one you get

SouthernCoug

5/16/22 1:04pm

It is the same in engineering. No one cares at all about your undergrad degree if you got a masters or PhD.

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