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All these posts suggesting that the Church should do more
a priori
12/8/17 7:38am
BYU fans are cheap and the cc doesn’t take care of its members unless you’re the
franklyvulgar
12/8/17 7:42am
Yep. BYU fans are cheap.
a priori
12/8/17 7:43am
This^^^^^
vaquero
12/8/17 8:49am
Would you throw money into a poorly performing investment fund? No.
CharlottesvilleCoug
12/8/17 10:36am
I certainly would if I had an interest in seeing it succeed. And a down time might be when I would contribute the most.
HarlemCoug
12/8/17 10:37am
Buy low.
TailgateU
12/8/17 10:57am
Actually, that is exactly the one you would invest in, especially if you had a
Mr Blue
12/8/17 3:23pm
I think this is true, BUT
MAcc15Coug
12/8/17 11:22am
^^^ This. It's not being cheap, it's being frugal.
BluebloodOR
12/8/17 11:35am
Yep -- BYU fans have different priorities.
a priori
12/8/17 11:36am
Exactly! Which is why while I'd love to tailgate before every game, I simply
ManicBlue
12/8/17 12:15pm
Same. My problem is I have to get my stuff done on Saturday, others use Sunday
jaredm
12/8/17 12:48pm
Quit having large Mormon families and invest in fb instead of your kids
Cosmo4life
12/8/17 10:20am
I have been only a gold or siliver for years and they treat me very well
pappabear246
12/8/17 12:11pm
Yep.
Dr MoBYU
12/8/17 11:53pm
Meh, it's a drop in the bucket compared to
Cougarealist
12/8/17 7:46am
It's the drop in the bucket attitude that gets my wife in trouble at Target
swimbro
12/8/17 7:48am
That's a non sequitur, right there
Cougarealist
12/8/17 7:49am
Go to a 2 hour block. Put more units in buildings,
johnnycarson
12/8/17 7:49am
The church doesn’t have full time janitors anymore they’re saving there
franklyvulgar
12/8/17 7:52am
Yup, and 90% of our ward members never show for scheduled building cleaning.
CougarThug
12/8/17 7:54am
#Derailed
a priori
12/8/17 7:55am
Could you please
warp
12/8/17 9:37am
The churches looked cleaner when they had professionals taking care of them
franklyvulgar
12/8/17 7:59am
And smelled better
Cougarealist
12/8/17 8:12am
Skidmark Patrol
Tsisquan
12/8/17 6:46pm
THIS!
Kerbouchard
12/8/17 10:52am
Which is a joke too.
Kerbouchard
12/8/17 10:51am
Why not just live with your parents and have only one child so that you can save
byuod
12/8/17 10:33am
Give the money to the U and I'd still go for that.
runningfoo
12/8/17 8:49pm
The Church spends more than "drop in the bucket" to keep the schools operating.
a priori
12/8/17 7:53am
It's definitely treated like a marginal benefit
Cougarealist
12/8/17 7:56am
You need to define what you mean by compete...because BYU has been a top 30-35
a priori
12/8/17 7:58am
Fans can't just "pony up" at BYU. Often BYU will say "thanks but no thanks"
Kajdin
12/8/17 8:42am
I think that this is a good thing. Meddling by donors is often a HUGE
a priori
12/8/17 8:46am
You can't have it both ways
CarolinaCoug
12/8/17 9:56am
Where are you getting top 30-35? It's been 7 years of somewhere in the 80-90
UNLVcougar
12/8/17 10:29am
He's still in the 20th century when it comes
Cougarealist
12/8/17 10:33am
No way. This year was terrible, but here's BYU's performance (by year)
a priori
12/8/17 11:35am
One of the best metrics? Which one is that?
UNLVcougar
12/8/17 12:11pm
F/+ is the metric. For attendance, you just look at rankings--BYU is regularly
a priori
12/8/17 1:27pm
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East1999
12/8/17 8:02am
It's more than just teaching someone "about your religion" it's about helping
a priori
12/8/17 8:07am
Where does this thinking even come from? Stop already.
RealityCheck
12/8/17 8:44am
I'd compare it to money spent on City Creek (which I also support)
Ulysses14
12/8/17 9:13am
Agreed.
TayPower
12/8/17 9:24am
City Creek was also a defensive move. By controlling more of downtown the
thecthdox
12/8/17 9:38am
KS could use some of that...
coug almighty
12/8/17 10:02am
Saying it was to improve the area and get the homeless out isn’t helping
Paul Hewson
12/8/17 12:35pm
Amen.
CharlottesvilleCoug
12/8/17 10:37am
Let's see... win a game or support a thousand missionaries. Tough choice.
TailgateU
12/8/17 10:58am
Huh?
Cougarealist
12/8/17 11:04am
To be fair, other programs don’t have fans that already pay 10%
2FarGone
12/8/17 8:00am
The only reason that this is relevant to the discussion is because it's an
a priori
12/8/17 8:03am
You're a great apologist
Cougarealist
12/8/17 8:06am
Well, I'm also a member of the Cougar Club and I want to
a priori
12/8/17 8:18am
I don't get this type of thinking.
lilpenny
12/8/17 10:00am
hmm I think you misunderstand the scripture or misinterpret it.
CarolinaCoug
12/8/17 10:17am
1,000,000,000 annual tithing to BYU Provo is plenty
ALUF 1990
12/8/17 8:08am
You should write a letter to your Stake President.
a priori
12/8/17 8:13am
It's this kind of hubris that's gonna
Cougarealist
12/8/17 8:17am
What part of my message is hubris?
a priori
12/8/17 8:20am
Look, its pretty simple
Cougarealist
12/8/17 8:37am
Agreed, it is really simple.
a priori
12/8/17 8:43am
yes I do, because on one hand, there are virtually unlimited, tax sheltered mountains of cash
Cougarealist
12/8/17 8:47am
You get 10,000 Jeff Christensens donating a little money to BYU and then mix in
a priori
12/8/17 8:52am
I think we should all practice MB = MC with having kids and make BYU FB our
coug almighty
12/8/17 10:16am
Not to mention the church has stewardship for 7B people.
StalwartBraveTrue
12/8/17 5:10pm
RE: yes I do, because on one hand, there are virtually unlimited, tax sheltered
messi
12/8/17 8:44pm
There's a thing called throwing good money after bad
cajuncoug
12/8/17 9:16am
There are so many things to unwind in your comment.
a priori
12/8/17 9:26am
All extremely subjective points
cajuncoug
12/8/17 10:45am
I'm not trying to convince people to start writing checks, I'm trying to help
a priori
12/8/17 1:47pm
I missed the part where you asked for solutions
cajuncoug
12/9/17 10:25pm
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Lug Nut
12/8/17 10:30am
We Do know what God commanded it to be spent on though.
CarolinaCoug
12/8/17 3:14pm
Where did you get that figure?
warp
12/8/17 9:43am
Maybe the church is (and should be) happy with what BYU football currently is.
CrimsonCardinal
12/8/17 11:06am
Bookmarked as the irrelevant opinion of every ALUF
Cougarealist
12/8/17 11:13am
A convincing rebuttal, indeed.
CrimsonCardinal
12/9/17 12:48pm
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trjohnson007
12/9/17 8:56am
I agree with your comment that the church puts out enough each year to support
TrueBlue67
12/8/17 11:16am
if it were half that amount it would be a raise for everyone that works there
Nat Gas Man
12/8/17 11:36am
The for profit arm of the church that funded City Creek can also
RockyBalboa
12/8/17 8:24am
The Church 'could' take money from an assortment of different activities or
a priori
12/8/17 8:28am
I agree fans ought to pony up. 100% on board with that. The Church should also
RockyBalboa
12/8/17 9:06am
Why do you think that the Church hasn't ponied up?
a priori
12/8/17 9:09am
Because most of $$ for athletic facilities comes from donors, not the for profit
RockyBalboa
12/8/17 9:57am
While these statements may be factual, they aren't out of line with
a priori
12/8/17 10:04am
They aren't a top 30-35 program. Not even close right now
RockyBalboa
12/8/17 10:34am
Agreed. If the Church wants a top-tier (Note I didn't say national champion)
TrueBlue67
12/8/17 11:20am
This is simply not true. For the last decade, BYU has absolutely been
a priori
12/8/17 11:38am
It is true. By a rather easy margin.
RockyBalboa
12/8/17 3:47pm
Links? Cites? Quotes?
a priori
12/8/17 3:58pm
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trjohnson007
12/9/17 9:00am
Nothing like a murky finger pointing post to move the dialogue forward.
a priori
12/9/17 10:59am
Why should fans contribute more if the perception is that the administration
joelvandyne
12/8/17 10:28am
Yep, I am repeating myself a lot...because it's really simple.
a priori
12/9/17 11:01am
unless another 5% of Florida comes available
Cougarealist
12/8/17 8:38am
Y'all are forgetting that Coca-Cola is worth $74 billion. The Church could clearly use some of that to fund football
IceBlueCoug
12/8/17 8:55am
BYU probably spent more on a season of Granite Flats
pygmalion
12/8/17 8:56am
I didn't say it was strictly a financial cost/benefit.
a priori
12/8/17 9:07am
BYUTV pays at least guild minimums to everybody involved
pygmalion
12/8/17 9:18am
Is there a way to know the number of viewers that watch Granite Flats compared
byuod
12/8/17 10:39am
I read somewhere it cost $800K per episode.
Delicate Genius
12/8/17 1:10pm
Zoobies in the Admin are what drive decisions like that
Cougarealist
12/8/17 9:08am
You talking about the BoT?
a priori
12/8/17 9:10am
Since the Athletic Department is required to be self sustaining, maybe they
Rocketman
12/9/17 9:15am
Do more by doing less, you mean? As in, letting our FB industry self-govern.
mantis mutu
12/8/17 9:08am
I agree. Most on this board don't understand the "opportunity cost of money."
lilpenny
12/8/17 9:52am
That's already a hard conversation to have with them when malls and planned
joelvandyne
12/8/17 10:37am
Church
JJacob
12/8/17 9:58am
The Russian bots join the thread ^^
a priori
12/8/17 10:05am
A few fans do give 10% of their income to someone tho
Y4LYFE
12/8/17 10:02am
RE: All these posts suggesting that the Church should do more
JuanitaCougar
12/8/17 10:25am
It sure does. Also there are plenty in the church that aren’t paying tithes.
Lolo
12/8/17 10:30am
What is your impression of the extent to which
foosman
12/8/17 10:27am
Reminds me of both Judas and Satan...
Lolo
12/8/17 10:29am
Just make football tickets 5 bucks more. That's an extra 250k to 300k per game.
General Calrissian
12/8/17 10:32am
I'd be happy if the church would just get out of the way and let the team aggressively fundraise. Not giving funds to
HarlemCoug
12/8/17 10:42am
Then let’s never call it a missionary tool again.
shimmy
12/8/17 10:53am
Truth.
mindzeYe
12/8/17 10:54am
Agree with the OP - but i sure hope the BoT doesnt read threads like this.
HowardH
12/8/17 11:16am
I don't think the BoT is that fragile or ignorant that reading
DirtyWater
12/8/17 11:27am
RE: All these posts suggesting that the Church should do more
holyyewtbatman
12/8/17 11:24am
It's not on the church, it's on the school.
TouchdownCougars
12/8/17 11:29am
RE: All these posts suggesting that the Church should do more
mkscougar
12/8/17 11:32am
I tend to agree agree with this from a financial perspective. However, every
ZooBlue
12/8/17 11:42am
Not the most well thought out post. Some skeptical thoughts to 'a priori'.
Blue streak
12/8/17 12:21pm
And malls and high prices condos and development.
Paul Hewson
12/8/17 12:26pm
Just cancel all of the sports programs that don't financially break even.
Bee Chunder
12/8/17 12:36pm
doesn't the athletic department break even every year? As in, the church doesnt
Blue streak
12/8/17 12:37pm
That is what I have heard, too
Bee Chunder
12/8/17 2:18pm
Have you ever heard of Title IX?
warp
12/8/17 12:45pm
I was kidding. I actually like the variety of sports we have, despite that most
Bee Chunder
12/8/17 2:20pm
Why would I be an "athletics booster" if I can't even trust what they're
Lip Gallagher
12/8/17 12:36pm
I disagree....
CoachSpeak
12/8/17 12:47pm
Tithing and FO funds do not exist for the purpose of running a football
vaquero
12/8/17 12:53pm
Tithing & FO funds do exist for running a multi-billion commercial real estate
Blue streak
12/8/17 2:00pm
Church investments are only done because it is the wise thing to do. You make a
TailgateU
12/8/17 2:09pm
They’ve won plenty over the last 45 years....
CoachSpeak
12/8/17 3:34pm
Then don’t have one....
CoachSpeak
12/8/17 3:25pm
Nothing like the Republican BYU fan base
StalwartBraveTrue
12/8/17 2:25pm
That’s a pretty lame analogy....
CoachSpeak
12/8/17 3:46pm
Methinks I struck a nerve...
StalwartBraveTrue
12/8/17 4:47pm
Oh and the fact you got a “post of the day” vote....
CoachSpeak
12/8/17 3:49pm
What can I say, I enjoy a little Irony...and a good pun here and there...
StalwartBraveTrue
12/8/17 4:49pm
Maybe make CC donation = tithing deduction
ditch
12/8/17 11:15pm
If they want a D1 football team then do it right - go all in, or get out footbal
Horacio Caine
12/9/17 7:31am
Supporting it halfway is a bigger waste of money than spending more the rightway
Horacio Caine
12/9/17 7:33am
it still bugs me that the church gave $4m to the u of u law school...
ds7
12/10/17 5:57pm
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