A convincing rebuttal, indeed.

Dec 9, 2017
12:48:29pm

CrimsonCardinal 3rd String

But what do you disagree with? Specifically, what coaches out there would be at BYU right now were it not for the lower pay? Did you get stuck with ol' sucky, sucky Ty Detmer because there was literally no one else who would take the job? I would bet that if you increased the salary pool for coaches $1.5M, there wouldn't be a single change in Sitake's coaching staff.

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All these posts suggesting that the Church should do more

a priori

12/8/17 7:38am

BYU fans are cheap and the cc doesn’t take care of its members unless you’re the

franklyvulgar

12/8/17 7:42am

Yep. BYU fans are cheap.

a priori

12/8/17 7:43am

This^^^^^

vaquero

12/8/17 8:49am

Would you throw money into a poorly performing investment fund? No.

CharlottesvilleCoug

12/8/17 10:36am

I certainly would if I had an interest in seeing it succeed. And a down time might be when I would contribute the most.

HarlemCoug

12/8/17 10:37am

Buy low.

TailgateU

12/8/17 10:57am

Actually, that is exactly the one you would invest in, especially if you had a

Mr Blue

12/8/17 3:23pm

I think this is true, BUT

MAcc15Coug

12/8/17 11:22am

^^^ This. It's not being cheap, it's being frugal.

BluebloodOR

12/8/17 11:35am

Yep -- BYU fans have different priorities.

a priori

12/8/17 11:36am

Exactly! Which is why while I'd love to tailgate before every game, I simply

ManicBlue

12/8/17 12:15pm

Same. My problem is I have to get my stuff done on Saturday, others use Sunday

jaredm

12/8/17 12:48pm

Quit having large Mormon families and invest in fb instead of your kids

Cosmo4life

12/8/17 10:20am

I have been only a gold or siliver for years and they treat me very well

pappabear246

12/8/17 12:11pm

Yep.

Dr MoBYU

12/8/17 11:53pm

Meh, it's a drop in the bucket compared to

Cougarealist

12/8/17 7:46am

It's the drop in the bucket attitude that gets my wife in trouble at Target

swimbro

12/8/17 7:48am

That's a non sequitur, right there

Cougarealist

12/8/17 7:49am

Go to a 2 hour block. Put more units in buildings,

johnnycarson

12/8/17 7:49am

The church doesn’t have full time janitors anymore they’re saving there

franklyvulgar

12/8/17 7:52am

Yup, and 90% of our ward members never show for scheduled building cleaning.

CougarThug

12/8/17 7:54am

#Derailed

a priori

12/8/17 7:55am

Could you please

warp

12/8/17 9:37am

The churches looked cleaner when they had professionals taking care of them

franklyvulgar

12/8/17 7:59am

And smelled better

Cougarealist

12/8/17 8:12am

Skidmark Patrol

Tsisquan

12/8/17 6:46pm

THIS!

Kerbouchard

12/8/17 10:52am

Which is a joke too.

Kerbouchard

12/8/17 10:51am

Why not just live with your parents and have only one child so that you can save

byuod

12/8/17 10:33am

Give the money to the U and I'd still go for that.

runningfoo

12/8/17 8:49pm

The Church spends more than "drop in the bucket" to keep the schools operating.

a priori

12/8/17 7:53am

It's definitely treated like a marginal benefit

Cougarealist

12/8/17 7:56am

You need to define what you mean by compete...because BYU has been a top 30-35

a priori

12/8/17 7:58am

Fans can't just "pony up" at BYU. Often BYU will say "thanks but no thanks"

Kajdin

12/8/17 8:42am

I think that this is a good thing. Meddling by donors is often a HUGE

a priori

12/8/17 8:46am

You can't have it both ways

CarolinaCoug

12/8/17 9:56am

Where are you getting top 30-35? It's been 7 years of somewhere in the 80-90

UNLVcougar

12/8/17 10:29am

He's still in the 20th century when it comes

Cougarealist

12/8/17 10:33am

No way. This year was terrible, but here's BYU's performance (by year)

a priori

12/8/17 11:35am

One of the best metrics? Which one is that?

UNLVcougar

12/8/17 12:11pm

F/+ is the metric. For attendance, you just look at rankings--BYU is regularly

a priori

12/8/17 1:27pm

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East1999

12/8/17 8:02am

It's more than just teaching someone "about your religion" it's about helping

a priori

12/8/17 8:07am

Where does this thinking even come from? Stop already.

RealityCheck

12/8/17 8:44am

I'd compare it to money spent on City Creek (which I also support)

Ulysses14

12/8/17 9:13am

Agreed.

TayPower

12/8/17 9:24am

City Creek was also a defensive move. By controlling more of downtown the

thecthdox

12/8/17 9:38am

KS could use some of that...

coug almighty

12/8/17 10:02am

Saying it was to improve the area and get the homeless out isn’t helping

Paul Hewson

12/8/17 12:35pm

Amen.

CharlottesvilleCoug

12/8/17 10:37am

Let's see... win a game or support a thousand missionaries. Tough choice.

TailgateU

12/8/17 10:58am

Huh?

Cougarealist

12/8/17 11:04am

To be fair, other programs don’t have fans that already pay 10%

2FarGone

12/8/17 8:00am

The only reason that this is relevant to the discussion is because it's an

a priori

12/8/17 8:03am

You're a great apologist

Cougarealist

12/8/17 8:06am

Well, I'm also a member of the Cougar Club and I want to

a priori

12/8/17 8:18am

I don't get this type of thinking.

lilpenny

12/8/17 10:00am

hmm I think you misunderstand the scripture or misinterpret it.

CarolinaCoug

12/8/17 10:17am

1,000,000,000 annual tithing to BYU Provo is plenty

ALUF 1990

12/8/17 8:08am

You should write a letter to your Stake President.

a priori

12/8/17 8:13am

It's this kind of hubris that's gonna

Cougarealist

12/8/17 8:17am

What part of my message is hubris?

a priori

12/8/17 8:20am

Look, its pretty simple

Cougarealist

12/8/17 8:37am

Agreed, it is really simple.

a priori

12/8/17 8:43am

yes I do, because on one hand, there are virtually unlimited, tax sheltered mountains of cash

Cougarealist

12/8/17 8:47am

You get 10,000 Jeff Christensens donating a little money to BYU and then mix in

a priori

12/8/17 8:52am

I think we should all practice MB = MC with having kids and make BYU FB our

coug almighty

12/8/17 10:16am

Not to mention the church has stewardship for 7B people.

StalwartBraveTrue

12/8/17 5:10pm

RE: yes I do, because on one hand, there are virtually unlimited, tax sheltered

messi

12/8/17 8:44pm

There's a thing called throwing good money after bad

cajuncoug

12/8/17 9:16am

There are so many things to unwind in your comment.

a priori

12/8/17 9:26am

All extremely subjective points

cajuncoug

12/8/17 10:45am

I'm not trying to convince people to start writing checks, I'm trying to help

a priori

12/8/17 1:47pm

I missed the part where you asked for solutions

cajuncoug

12/9/17 10:25pm

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Lug Nut

12/8/17 10:30am

We Do know what God commanded it to be spent on though.

CarolinaCoug

12/8/17 3:14pm

Where did you get that figure?

warp

12/8/17 9:43am

Maybe the church is (and should be) happy with what BYU football currently is.

CrimsonCardinal

12/8/17 11:06am

Bookmarked as the irrelevant opinion of every ALUF

Cougarealist

12/8/17 11:13am

A convincing rebuttal, indeed.

CrimsonCardinal

12/9/17 12:48pm

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trjohnson007

12/9/17 8:56am

I agree with your comment that the church puts out enough each year to support

TrueBlue67

12/8/17 11:16am

if it were half that amount it would be a raise for everyone that works there

Nat Gas Man

12/8/17 11:36am

The for profit arm of the church that funded City Creek can also

RockyBalboa

12/8/17 8:24am

The Church 'could' take money from an assortment of different activities or

a priori

12/8/17 8:28am

I agree fans ought to pony up. 100% on board with that. The Church should also

RockyBalboa

12/8/17 9:06am

Why do you think that the Church hasn't ponied up?

a priori

12/8/17 9:09am

Because most of $$ for athletic facilities comes from donors, not the for profit

RockyBalboa

12/8/17 9:57am

While these statements may be factual, they aren't out of line with

a priori

12/8/17 10:04am

They aren't a top 30-35 program. Not even close right now

RockyBalboa

12/8/17 10:34am

Agreed. If the Church wants a top-tier (Note I didn't say national champion)

TrueBlue67

12/8/17 11:20am

This is simply not true. For the last decade, BYU has absolutely been

a priori

12/8/17 11:38am

It is true. By a rather easy margin.

RockyBalboa

12/8/17 3:47pm

Links? Cites? Quotes?

a priori

12/8/17 3:58pm

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trjohnson007

12/9/17 9:00am

Nothing like a murky finger pointing post to move the dialogue forward.

a priori

12/9/17 10:59am

Why should fans contribute more if the perception is that the administration

joelvandyne

12/8/17 10:28am

Yep, I am repeating myself a lot...because it's really simple.

a priori

12/9/17 11:01am

unless another 5% of Florida comes available

Cougarealist

12/8/17 8:38am

Y'all are forgetting that Coca-Cola is worth $74 billion. The Church could clearly use some of that to fund football

IceBlueCoug

12/8/17 8:55am

BYU probably spent more on a season of Granite Flats

pygmalion

12/8/17 8:56am

I didn't say it was strictly a financial cost/benefit.

a priori

12/8/17 9:07am

BYUTV pays at least guild minimums to everybody involved

pygmalion

12/8/17 9:18am

Is there a way to know the number of viewers that watch Granite Flats compared

byuod

12/8/17 10:39am

I read somewhere it cost $800K per episode.

Delicate Genius

12/8/17 1:10pm

Zoobies in the Admin are what drive decisions like that

Cougarealist

12/8/17 9:08am

You talking about the BoT?

a priori

12/8/17 9:10am

Since the Athletic Department is required to be self sustaining, maybe they

Rocketman

12/9/17 9:15am

Do more by doing less, you mean? As in, letting our FB industry self-govern.

mantis mutu

12/8/17 9:08am

I agree. Most on this board don't understand the "opportunity cost of money."

lilpenny

12/8/17 9:52am

That's already a hard conversation to have with them when malls and planned

joelvandyne

12/8/17 10:37am

Church

JJacob

12/8/17 9:58am

The Russian bots join the thread ^^

a priori

12/8/17 10:05am

A few fans do give 10% of their income to someone tho

Y4LYFE

12/8/17 10:02am

RE: All these posts suggesting that the Church should do more

JuanitaCougar

12/8/17 10:25am

It sure does. Also there are plenty in the church that aren’t paying tithes.

Lolo

12/8/17 10:30am

What is your impression of the extent to which

foosman

12/8/17 10:27am

Reminds me of both Judas and Satan...

Lolo

12/8/17 10:29am

Just make football tickets 5 bucks more. That's an extra 250k to 300k per game.

General Calrissian

12/8/17 10:32am

I'd be happy if the church would just get out of the way and let the team aggressively fundraise. Not giving funds to

HarlemCoug

12/8/17 10:42am

Then let’s never call it a missionary tool again.

shimmy

12/8/17 10:53am

Truth.

mindzeYe

12/8/17 10:54am

Agree with the OP - but i sure hope the BoT doesnt read threads like this.

HowardH

12/8/17 11:16am

I don't think the BoT is that fragile or ignorant that reading

DirtyWater

12/8/17 11:27am

RE: All these posts suggesting that the Church should do more

holyyewtbatman

12/8/17 11:24am

It's not on the church, it's on the school.

TouchdownCougars

12/8/17 11:29am

RE: All these posts suggesting that the Church should do more

mkscougar

12/8/17 11:32am

I tend to agree agree with this from a financial perspective. However, every

ZooBlue

12/8/17 11:42am

Not the most well thought out post. Some skeptical thoughts to 'a priori'.

Blue streak

12/8/17 12:21pm

And malls and high prices condos and development.

Paul Hewson

12/8/17 12:26pm

Just cancel all of the sports programs that don't financially break even.

Bee Chunder

12/8/17 12:36pm

doesn't the athletic department break even every year? As in, the church doesnt

Blue streak

12/8/17 12:37pm

That is what I have heard, too

Bee Chunder

12/8/17 2:18pm

Have you ever heard of Title IX?

warp

12/8/17 12:45pm

I was kidding. I actually like the variety of sports we have, despite that most

Bee Chunder

12/8/17 2:20pm

Why would I be an "athletics booster" if I can't even trust what they're

Lip Gallagher

12/8/17 12:36pm

I disagree....

CoachSpeak

12/8/17 12:47pm

Tithing and FO funds do not exist for the purpose of running a football

vaquero

12/8/17 12:53pm

Tithing & FO funds do exist for running a multi-billion commercial real estate

Blue streak

12/8/17 2:00pm

Church investments are only done because it is the wise thing to do. You make a

TailgateU

12/8/17 2:09pm

They’ve won plenty over the last 45 years....

CoachSpeak

12/8/17 3:34pm

Then don’t have one....

CoachSpeak

12/8/17 3:25pm

Nothing like the Republican BYU fan base

StalwartBraveTrue

12/8/17 2:25pm

That’s a pretty lame analogy....

CoachSpeak

12/8/17 3:46pm

Methinks I struck a nerve...

StalwartBraveTrue

12/8/17 4:47pm

Oh and the fact you got a “post of the day” vote....

CoachSpeak

12/8/17 3:49pm

What can I say, I enjoy a little Irony...and a good pun here and there...

StalwartBraveTrue

12/8/17 4:49pm

Maybe make CC donation = tithing deduction

ditch

12/8/17 11:15pm

If they want a D1 football team then do it right - go all in, or get out footbal

Horacio Caine

12/9/17 7:31am

Supporting it halfway is a bigger waste of money than spending more the rightway

Horacio Caine

12/9/17 7:33am

it still bugs me that the church gave $4m to the u of u law school...

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