If they want a D1 football team then do it right

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Dec 9, 2017
7:31:55am

Horacio Caine Starter

If they want a D1 football team then do it right - go all in, or get out footbal

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Horacio Caine

Previous username: ExCougar
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Last login: Dec 26, 2022
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All these posts suggesting that the Church should do more

a priori

12/8/17 7:38am

BYU fans are cheap and the cc doesn’t take care of its members unless you’re the

franklyvulgar

12/8/17 7:42am

Yep. BYU fans are cheap.

a priori

12/8/17 7:43am

This^^^^^

vaquero

12/8/17 8:49am

Would you throw money into a poorly performing investment fund? No.

CharlottesvilleCoug

12/8/17 10:36am

I certainly would if I had an interest in seeing it succeed. And a down time might be when I would contribute the most.

HarlemCoug

12/8/17 10:37am

Buy low.

TailgateU

12/8/17 10:57am

Actually, that is exactly the one you would invest in, especially if you had a

Mr Blue

12/8/17 3:23pm

I think this is true, BUT

MAcc15Coug

12/8/17 11:22am

^^^ This. It's not being cheap, it's being frugal.

BluebloodOR

12/8/17 11:35am

Yep -- BYU fans have different priorities.

a priori

12/8/17 11:36am

Exactly! Which is why while I'd love to tailgate before every game, I simply

ManicBlue

12/8/17 12:15pm

Same. My problem is I have to get my stuff done on Saturday, others use Sunday

jaredm

12/8/17 12:48pm

Quit having large Mormon families and invest in fb instead of your kids

Cosmo4life

12/8/17 10:20am

I have been only a gold or siliver for years and they treat me very well

pappabear246

12/8/17 12:11pm

Yep.

Dr MoBYU

12/8/17 11:53pm

Meh, it's a drop in the bucket compared to

Cougarealist

12/8/17 7:46am

It's the drop in the bucket attitude that gets my wife in trouble at Target

swimbro

12/8/17 7:48am

That's a non sequitur, right there

Cougarealist

12/8/17 7:49am

Go to a 2 hour block. Put more units in buildings,

johnnycarson

12/8/17 7:49am

The church doesn’t have full time janitors anymore they’re saving there

franklyvulgar

12/8/17 7:52am

Yup, and 90% of our ward members never show for scheduled building cleaning.

CougarThug

12/8/17 7:54am

#Derailed

a priori

12/8/17 7:55am

Could you please

warp

12/8/17 9:37am

The churches looked cleaner when they had professionals taking care of them

franklyvulgar

12/8/17 7:59am

And smelled better

Cougarealist

12/8/17 8:12am

Skidmark Patrol

Tsisquan

12/8/17 6:46pm

THIS!

Kerbouchard

12/8/17 10:52am

Which is a joke too.

Kerbouchard

12/8/17 10:51am

Why not just live with your parents and have only one child so that you can save

byuod

12/8/17 10:33am

Give the money to the U and I'd still go for that.

runningfoo

12/8/17 8:49pm

The Church spends more than "drop in the bucket" to keep the schools operating.

a priori

12/8/17 7:53am

It's definitely treated like a marginal benefit

Cougarealist

12/8/17 7:56am

You need to define what you mean by compete...because BYU has been a top 30-35

a priori

12/8/17 7:58am

Fans can't just "pony up" at BYU. Often BYU will say "thanks but no thanks"

Kajdin

12/8/17 8:42am

I think that this is a good thing. Meddling by donors is often a HUGE

a priori

12/8/17 8:46am

You can't have it both ways

CarolinaCoug

12/8/17 9:56am

Where are you getting top 30-35? It's been 7 years of somewhere in the 80-90

UNLVcougar

12/8/17 10:29am

He's still in the 20th century when it comes

Cougarealist

12/8/17 10:33am

No way. This year was terrible, but here's BYU's performance (by year)

a priori

12/8/17 11:35am

One of the best metrics? Which one is that?

UNLVcougar

12/8/17 12:11pm

F/+ is the metric. For attendance, you just look at rankings--BYU is regularly

a priori

12/8/17 1:27pm

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East1999

12/8/17 8:02am

It's more than just teaching someone "about your religion" it's about helping

a priori

12/8/17 8:07am

Where does this thinking even come from? Stop already.

RealityCheck

12/8/17 8:44am

I'd compare it to money spent on City Creek (which I also support)

Ulysses14

12/8/17 9:13am

Agreed.

TayPower

12/8/17 9:24am

City Creek was also a defensive move. By controlling more of downtown the

thecthdox

12/8/17 9:38am

KS could use some of that...

coug almighty

12/8/17 10:02am

Saying it was to improve the area and get the homeless out isn’t helping

Paul Hewson

12/8/17 12:35pm

Amen.

CharlottesvilleCoug

12/8/17 10:37am

Let's see... win a game or support a thousand missionaries. Tough choice.

TailgateU

12/8/17 10:58am

Huh?

Cougarealist

12/8/17 11:04am

To be fair, other programs don’t have fans that already pay 10%

2FarGone

12/8/17 8:00am

The only reason that this is relevant to the discussion is because it's an

a priori

12/8/17 8:03am

You're a great apologist

Cougarealist

12/8/17 8:06am

Well, I'm also a member of the Cougar Club and I want to

a priori

12/8/17 8:18am

I don't get this type of thinking.

lilpenny

12/8/17 10:00am

hmm I think you misunderstand the scripture or misinterpret it.

CarolinaCoug

12/8/17 10:17am

1,000,000,000 annual tithing to BYU Provo is plenty

ALUF 1990

12/8/17 8:08am

You should write a letter to your Stake President.

a priori

12/8/17 8:13am

It's this kind of hubris that's gonna

Cougarealist

12/8/17 8:17am

What part of my message is hubris?

a priori

12/8/17 8:20am

Look, its pretty simple

Cougarealist

12/8/17 8:37am

Agreed, it is really simple.

a priori

12/8/17 8:43am

yes I do, because on one hand, there are virtually unlimited, tax sheltered mountains of cash

Cougarealist

12/8/17 8:47am

You get 10,000 Jeff Christensens donating a little money to BYU and then mix in

a priori

12/8/17 8:52am

I think we should all practice MB = MC with having kids and make BYU FB our

coug almighty

12/8/17 10:16am

Not to mention the church has stewardship for 7B people.

StalwartBraveTrue

12/8/17 5:10pm

RE: yes I do, because on one hand, there are virtually unlimited, tax sheltered

messi

12/8/17 8:44pm

There's a thing called throwing good money after bad

cajuncoug

12/8/17 9:16am

There are so many things to unwind in your comment.

a priori

12/8/17 9:26am

All extremely subjective points

cajuncoug

12/8/17 10:45am

I'm not trying to convince people to start writing checks, I'm trying to help

a priori

12/8/17 1:47pm

I missed the part where you asked for solutions

cajuncoug

12/9/17 10:25pm

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Lug Nut

12/8/17 10:30am

We Do know what God commanded it to be spent on though.

CarolinaCoug

12/8/17 3:14pm

Where did you get that figure?

warp

12/8/17 9:43am

Maybe the church is (and should be) happy with what BYU football currently is.

CrimsonCardinal

12/8/17 11:06am

Bookmarked as the irrelevant opinion of every ALUF

Cougarealist

12/8/17 11:13am

A convincing rebuttal, indeed.

CrimsonCardinal

12/9/17 12:48pm

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trjohnson007

12/9/17 8:56am

I agree with your comment that the church puts out enough each year to support

TrueBlue67

12/8/17 11:16am

if it were half that amount it would be a raise for everyone that works there

Nat Gas Man

12/8/17 11:36am

The for profit arm of the church that funded City Creek can also

RockyBalboa

12/8/17 8:24am

The Church 'could' take money from an assortment of different activities or

a priori

12/8/17 8:28am

I agree fans ought to pony up. 100% on board with that. The Church should also

RockyBalboa

12/8/17 9:06am

Why do you think that the Church hasn't ponied up?

a priori

12/8/17 9:09am

Because most of $$ for athletic facilities comes from donors, not the for profit

RockyBalboa

12/8/17 9:57am

While these statements may be factual, they aren't out of line with

a priori

12/8/17 10:04am

They aren't a top 30-35 program. Not even close right now

RockyBalboa

12/8/17 10:34am

Agreed. If the Church wants a top-tier (Note I didn't say national champion)

TrueBlue67

12/8/17 11:20am

This is simply not true. For the last decade, BYU has absolutely been

a priori

12/8/17 11:38am

It is true. By a rather easy margin.

RockyBalboa

12/8/17 3:47pm

Links? Cites? Quotes?

a priori

12/8/17 3:58pm

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trjohnson007

12/9/17 9:00am

Nothing like a murky finger pointing post to move the dialogue forward.

a priori

12/9/17 10:59am

Why should fans contribute more if the perception is that the administration

joelvandyne

12/8/17 10:28am

Yep, I am repeating myself a lot...because it's really simple.

a priori

12/9/17 11:01am

unless another 5% of Florida comes available

Cougarealist

12/8/17 8:38am

Y'all are forgetting that Coca-Cola is worth $74 billion. The Church could clearly use some of that to fund football

IceBlueCoug

12/8/17 8:55am

BYU probably spent more on a season of Granite Flats

pygmalion

12/8/17 8:56am

I didn't say it was strictly a financial cost/benefit.

a priori

12/8/17 9:07am

BYUTV pays at least guild minimums to everybody involved

pygmalion

12/8/17 9:18am

Is there a way to know the number of viewers that watch Granite Flats compared

byuod

12/8/17 10:39am

I read somewhere it cost $800K per episode.

Delicate Genius

12/8/17 1:10pm

Zoobies in the Admin are what drive decisions like that

Cougarealist

12/8/17 9:08am

You talking about the BoT?

a priori

12/8/17 9:10am

Since the Athletic Department is required to be self sustaining, maybe they

Rocketman

12/9/17 9:15am

Do more by doing less, you mean? As in, letting our FB industry self-govern.

mantis mutu

12/8/17 9:08am

I agree. Most on this board don't understand the "opportunity cost of money."

lilpenny

12/8/17 9:52am

That's already a hard conversation to have with them when malls and planned

joelvandyne

12/8/17 10:37am

Church

JJacob

12/8/17 9:58am

The Russian bots join the thread ^^

a priori

12/8/17 10:05am

A few fans do give 10% of their income to someone tho

Y4LYFE

12/8/17 10:02am

RE: All these posts suggesting that the Church should do more

JuanitaCougar

12/8/17 10:25am

It sure does. Also there are plenty in the church that aren’t paying tithes.

Lolo

12/8/17 10:30am

What is your impression of the extent to which

foosman

12/8/17 10:27am

Reminds me of both Judas and Satan...

Lolo

12/8/17 10:29am

Just make football tickets 5 bucks more. That's an extra 250k to 300k per game.

General Calrissian

12/8/17 10:32am

I'd be happy if the church would just get out of the way and let the team aggressively fundraise. Not giving funds to

HarlemCoug

12/8/17 10:42am

Then let’s never call it a missionary tool again.

shimmy

12/8/17 10:53am

Truth.

mindzeYe

12/8/17 10:54am

Agree with the OP - but i sure hope the BoT doesnt read threads like this.

HowardH

12/8/17 11:16am

I don't think the BoT is that fragile or ignorant that reading

DirtyWater

12/8/17 11:27am

RE: All these posts suggesting that the Church should do more

holyyewtbatman

12/8/17 11:24am

It's not on the church, it's on the school.

TouchdownCougars

12/8/17 11:29am

RE: All these posts suggesting that the Church should do more

mkscougar

12/8/17 11:32am

I tend to agree agree with this from a financial perspective. However, every

ZooBlue

12/8/17 11:42am

Not the most well thought out post. Some skeptical thoughts to 'a priori'.

Blue streak

12/8/17 12:21pm

And malls and high prices condos and development.

Paul Hewson

12/8/17 12:26pm

Just cancel all of the sports programs that don't financially break even.

Bee Chunder

12/8/17 12:36pm

doesn't the athletic department break even every year? As in, the church doesnt

Blue streak

12/8/17 12:37pm

That is what I have heard, too

Bee Chunder

12/8/17 2:18pm

Have you ever heard of Title IX?

warp

12/8/17 12:45pm

I was kidding. I actually like the variety of sports we have, despite that most

Bee Chunder

12/8/17 2:20pm

Why would I be an "athletics booster" if I can't even trust what they're

Lip Gallagher

12/8/17 12:36pm

I disagree....

CoachSpeak

12/8/17 12:47pm

Tithing and FO funds do not exist for the purpose of running a football

vaquero

12/8/17 12:53pm

Tithing & FO funds do exist for running a multi-billion commercial real estate

Blue streak

12/8/17 2:00pm

Church investments are only done because it is the wise thing to do. You make a

TailgateU

12/8/17 2:09pm

They’ve won plenty over the last 45 years....

CoachSpeak

12/8/17 3:34pm

Then don’t have one....

CoachSpeak

12/8/17 3:25pm

Nothing like the Republican BYU fan base

StalwartBraveTrue

12/8/17 2:25pm

That’s a pretty lame analogy....

CoachSpeak

12/8/17 3:46pm

Methinks I struck a nerve...

StalwartBraveTrue

12/8/17 4:47pm

Oh and the fact you got a “post of the day” vote....

CoachSpeak

12/8/17 3:49pm

What can I say, I enjoy a little Irony...and a good pun here and there...

StalwartBraveTrue

12/8/17 4:49pm

Maybe make CC donation = tithing deduction

ditch

12/8/17 11:15pm

If they want a D1 football team then do it right - go all in, or get out footbal

Horacio Caine

12/9/17 7:31am

Supporting it halfway is a bigger waste of money than spending more the rightway

Horacio Caine

12/9/17 7:33am

it still bugs me that the church gave $4m to the u of u law school...

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