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Apr 18, 2017
7:09:50pm

unctoothman All-American

Jimmer perfectly fit Rose's ad lib, free-flowing shoot at will

system. But only b/c Jimmer was a once a generation shooter who could succeed doing what he did against who he did in college. And b/c Jackson and Davies cleaned up on the defensive end.

Rose and his "system" didn't make Jimmer; ironically Jimmer's atypical play coupled with a few guys who actually got after it in the defensive end masked Rose's problem-ladened system and made it appear viable.

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Beo response to the Harmon article.

4/18/17 3:18pm

Expected more? BYU did of him too. Also, His schollie was a 1=year commitment, so BYU met it.

4/18/17 3:20pm

I disagree that "there is nothing wrong with it".

Lance71

4/18/17 3:24pm

I disagree that there is "nothing wrong with it." It is common, but common

reagan21

4/18/17 3:24pm

HACK!

reagan21

4/18/17 3:24pm

So there is no accountability on the player for his performance?

jigidajrit

4/18/17 3:26pm

That's quite the logic leap from "nothing wrong with it". It's not all or nothin

Lance71

4/18/17 3:29pm

That's fair. Just noticed that you two were disagreeing with

jigidajrit

4/18/17 3:30pm

Some schools are moving to the 4 year guaranteed scholorship i.e. USC

DK-

4/18/17 3:29pm

Sure wish someone would give me money so that I could claim it was my investment

CougarThug

4/19/17 11:08am

Do you think that accurately depicts Beo? No way. By your standard

reagan21

4/18/17 3:30pm

I wish there were more scholarships available

jigidajrit

4/18/17 3:35pm

NOMINATED!!

4/18/17 4:21pm

The power conferences no longer pull scholarships for performance issues.

Everyman

4/18/17 3:37pm

Or, he can stay in school and pay his own way to graduate like 98% of the rest of the student body,

4/18/17 3:31pm

No. It sucks. There is something wrong with it, and it shows freshmen

reagan21

4/18/17 3:34pm

It is a 1-year offer. He got his 1 year. THe next was not renewed per the contract.

4/18/17 3:38pm

We don't really know that's the case.

Lance71

4/18/17 3:39pm

What in that statement is unknown?

dratax

4/19/17 10:53am

We don't know if he is being offered to stay on the team as a walk on.

Lance71

4/19/17 10:56am

Yes, and BYU has limited his options by pulling a scholarship in April.

reagan21

4/18/17 3:43pm

You do realize April is when this happens for hoops right? After the season is over.

4/18/17 3:48pm

you do realize that AAU coaches will pawn lower level kids on coaches for

reagan21

4/18/17 3:57pm

So because UNLV kept that kid even through a string of run ins with the law, it means BYU

RoaroftheCougartails

4/18/17 5:13pm

Probably. It's part of the recruiting game.

reagan21

4/19/17 10:29am

RE: Yes, and BYU has limited his options by pulling a scholarship in April.

Bullrider

4/20/17 11:44am

This isnt football

Shteve

4/18/17 3:47pm

Doesn't have to be. It is that way for all NCAA sports. Unless the school offers says 4-years. Most are 1 year.

4/18/17 3:51pm

Referring to FCS, not scholarships. Yes, all scholarships are 1 yr.

Shteve

4/18/17 3:57pm

What a load.

Prickly Heat

4/20/17 8:33am

What if the athlete was not offered a scholarship and came as a walk on. Due to circumstances

RoaroftheCougartails

4/18/17 5:11pm

What do school do with Academic Scholarships that do not

pappabear246

4/19/17 8:29am

Or the school simply runs out of scholarships. The line has to be drawn some place.

soupie

4/19/17 8:36am

My family has had basketball scholorships from two different schools

DK-

4/18/17 3:26pm

Bull crap. Chasing away freshmen is just stupid

GeauxCougs

4/18/17 3:31pm

Part of the game, but how this part of it happens varies

Gustav

4/18/17 3:48pm

Like they said, "there's a lot more to" it. Maybe it wasn't all about the

mantis mutu

4/18/17 3:56pm

we yearned for more of his ball handling? you realize one of his only games

LEHI cougar

4/18/17 4:28pm

That was a bad NIT performance, but his stats don't tell the full story.

mantis mutu

4/18/17 4:39pm

hard to say since his only meaningful stretch of minutes on the season came

LEHI cougar

4/18/17 5:11pm

I disagree that BYU expected more of him

teancum

4/18/17 4:13pm

BYU expected more out of a freshman? I really doubt that.

4/18/17 6:04pm

Turnpike Lane is absolutely spot on here. Not sure why people can't get that.

RdF3

4/19/17 8:06am

Tell them we will miss him and wish him the best

byusc23

4/18/17 3:21pm

Personally I would have kept him on scholarship (if that was the issue). He

Dangerous

4/18/17 3:21pm

Depends on the scholarship situation. He came as a walk-on. Thought he was used way more than expected.

soupie

4/18/17 3:24pm

Is it just me, or does it seem like this type of thing is happening more than

inertiaman

4/18/17 3:21pm

No. Signs of a division 1 basketball team. It's not just happening at BYU.

reagan21

4/18/17 3:22pm

More than usual for BYU recently, but in normal amounts for most programs.

4/18/17 3:22pm

I don't think it's a normal amount for successful programs. I'm not advocating

gwalker

4/18/17 3:34pm

It happens at the big programs quite a bit, they often pull in

califcougar

4/18/17 3:51pm

Doesn't the linked article track 10 guys over a 15 year period? We're hitting a

gwalker

4/18/17 3:59pm

How many of the guys are leaving because they don't want to be part of the

califcougar

4/18/17 4:48pm

Not so sure about the last 3 on your list. Pretty sure Toolson & Guinn would have been welcomed back. No idea

soupie

4/18/17 4:59pm

Sidnt we lose a disgruntled player to Ok st? Pretty sure FB 3 was digruntled too

4/19/17 12:55pm

Yup

teancum

4/18/17 4:09pm

Asked to step aside for another scholarship? Bad for Beo family, but it's just

reagan21

4/18/17 3:21pm

It's really tough when you were really a preferred walk-on all along

Indy Coug

4/18/17 3:23pm

That's a pretty big departure from this

donnerstag

4/18/17 3:24pm

Thanks for sharing. Please tell Sister Beo and Cougar Nation wishes her son the

4/18/17 3:25pm

All of these really hurt, especially this one. I thought Beo showed real promise

LegitCoug

4/18/17 3:25pm

I thought he'd be a nice role player for years to come

donnerstag

4/18/17 3:27pm

He was a level-headed player who didn't make many mistakes.

4/18/17 3:32pm

The sad thing is that it's only a business for the school not for the kids

thebruce

4/18/17 3:29pm

Not only is this common for D1 sports ... it's common for schollies PERIOD.

runnincoug

4/18/17 3:30pm

The tough thing here is that we will probably never see the other side of the story.

TheWanderer

4/18/17 3:31pm

He should still be on the roster even if he's not on scholarship. I don't have

ayfan

4/18/17 3:32pm

my bet, he was offered to go back to walk-on status and felt slighted by that.

LEHI cougar

4/18/17 3:37pm

Tell him he will be treated like family at SUU

GeauxCougs

4/18/17 3:32pm

Was he given the chance to play as a walk-on next year?

Greg Kite's 'stache

4/18/17 3:33pm

We lose LJ Rose. If Aytes and Kaufusi are gone, I don't see why

gwalker

4/18/17 3:33pm

Kaufusi is a football schollie, not hoops, per NCAA rules.

4/18/17 3:35pm

True. Switch in Davis leaving too and you get to the same place in terms of

gwalker

4/18/17 3:36pm

Corbin was already counted as FB this last season so he's out of the mix anyway.

soupie

4/18/17 3:40pm

Rumor i heard IN February said beo might be leaving. I doubt rose is asking

BYUheaven

4/18/17 3:34pm

Interesting. Beo was a frosh and played like it. Small, not quick

Coogar2

4/18/17 9:13pm

hard to complain that you were promised a pref. walk-on spot and got a

LEHI cougar

4/18/17 3:35pm

What did he do that showed anything worth the scholarship?

IronPotato

4/18/17 3:44pm

This is distressing. Too much of this has been occurring

dixdog

4/18/17 3:51pm

Work on those dribbling and passing skills

dizthewiz

4/18/17 4:07pm

I don't necessarily think airing the grievance publicly is the right way to

Iman23

4/18/17 4:09pm

George Costanza probably agrees.

Shteve

4/18/17 4:20pm

you mean Frank?

LEHI cougar

4/18/17 4:32pm

lol no, Frank would disagree.

Shteve

4/18/17 4:41pm

true

LEHI cougar

4/18/17 4:51pm

Who is airing grievances?

Remigius

4/18/17 4:37pm

Beo's mom asked this to be posted. I'd say Beo camp is airing grievances...

Iman23

4/18/17 4:48pm

This is your evidence of grievance:

Mises

4/18/17 4:54pm

That was not the intent. The original post has been edited.

4/18/17 4:57pm

Didn't seem to be airing grievance. Seemed pretty classy to me. Didn't throw an

Big Daddy D

4/18/17 4:59pm

original message was edited, you didn't see the whole thing

LEHI cougar

4/18/17 5:13pm

Oh, yes, I never saw the original. Late to the party, as usual.

Big Daddy D

4/18/17 5:19pm

gotta quit that job and surf CB constantly all day long.

LEHI cougar

4/18/17 5:23pm

No doubt. I would be so much more in the know living out of my car!

Big Daddy D

4/18/17 7:57pm

The second part of the message was deleted.

4/18/17 5:14pm

This is the truth.

roseyscenario

4/19/17 7:32am

Why is it Beo's fault that Emery plays poorly?

4/18/17 4:20pm

What on earth does Emery have to do with this?

4/18/17 4:52pm

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Abe Froman

4/20/17 8:21am

Based on her text it sounds like he's leaving this world.

Thug Mormons

4/18/17 4:33pm

I literally LOL d

DumpsterFire

4/18/17 11:41pm

why did you delete the second part of her text?

LEHI cougar

4/18/17 4:34pm

THIS WHOLE THREAD SHOULD NOW BE DELETED

Shteve

4/18/17 5:29pm

why? no one has personally attacked Beo or the coaching staff

LEHI cougar

4/18/17 5:38pm

Maybe Rose can't coach players up and so getting rid of someone who needs a bit

84 Grad

4/18/17 5:15pm

he did "coach up" a National Player of the Year from a barely recruited

LEHI cougar

4/18/17 5:29pm

I miss Dave Rice. BYU basketball hasn't been the same since he left.

84 Grad

4/18/17 5:40pm

what did he do specifically to coach them up?

icecougar

4/18/17 6:43pm

lol, so he gets 0 credit for the successes but all the blame for the failures?

LEHI cougar

4/18/17 6:55pm

No, the credit he gets is different. Not for developing him but recognizing...

icecougar

4/20/17 12:33am

Jimmer perfectly fit Rose's ad lib, free-flowing shoot at will

unctoothman

4/18/17 7:09pm

Rose's system absolutely made Jimmer. If Jimmer hadn't had the massive

LEHI cougar

4/18/17 7:15pm

So your definition of Coaching Up is Do What You Want?

84 Grad

4/18/17 7:19pm

You can't be that obtuse? Jimmer didn't get better from his

LEHI cougar

4/19/17 7:33am

Your words: "Massive green light and 0 accountability."

84 Grad

4/19/17 7:56am

BINGO!

icecougar

4/20/17 12:34am

tell them we're sad to see him leave

icecougar

4/18/17 6:39pm

My take? This blows.

byujdmba

4/18/17 10:19pm

I don't think he was ever going to be a star, but I don't think that matters

Epileptic Beagle

4/18/17 11:27pm

May sound harsh but you can get a million kids like him anytime. He's probably a good kid but in all

The Dude Abides

4/18/17 11:46pm

Sure but there is value in retention and not having to retrain everyone every

Epileptic Beagle

4/19/17 12:08am

I definitely see your point and with guys like Chatman, Bartley, Neilson, etc I 100% agree. I just don't think

The Dude Abides

4/19/17 8:01am

Totally agree. Great kid, maybe a hard worker, not really a D1 player. Definitely not worth a scholarship

RoaroftheCougartails

4/19/17 9:07am

While I doubt he'd ever be a starter

donnerstag

4/19/17 9:19am

It's Even more sad than when Joanie Loves Chachi was cancelled.

Belboz

4/18/17 11:45pm

Maybe he'll start lobbing law bombs or start a law blog

mcnasty

4/20/17 11:21am

RE: Beo response to the Harmon article.

visitor

4/19/17 12:57pm

Sad that we have totally put our eggs into the LP3.

4/19/17 6:16pm

It's the reality of college basketball right now. Unless you are a perrenial top

Lance71

4/19/17 6:24pm

I think Steven is a Great kid! Would have loved for him to stay. Agree with some of what you said.

RoaroftheCougartails

4/19/17 6:44pm

Was aware of some of this but not all. Personally I was hoping he would stay and develop. Thought he did well

soupie

4/19/17 8:28pm

I agree. It's poor form and bad karma to

bigjohn

4/20/17 7:33am

Not sure you got out of my message what I meant, but okay.

soupie

4/20/17 8:35am

I got your message and agree. Juggling scholarships is not easy in basketball

LV Mike

4/20/17 9:06am

Exactly. I'm more concerned about "how" things are handled than the actual actions. Those

soupie

4/20/17 9:50am

Frankly this was my take, too

byujdmba

4/19/17 10:58pm

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