Exactly. I'm more concerned about "how" things are handled than the actual actions. Those

Apr 20, 2017
9:50:45am

soupie Contributor

tough decisions will always have to be made and I'm certainly not in a position to second guess them. I do feel there are ways to handle it that are better than others. There may be situations where no way would be delicate enough but I'd hope BYU would get the delivery down as well as possible.

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Beo response to the Harmon article.

Dishonor Code

4/18/17 3:18pm

Expected more? BYU did of him too. Also, His schollie was a 1=year commitment, so BYU met it.

Turnpike Lane

4/18/17 3:20pm

I disagree that "there is nothing wrong with it".

Lance71

4/18/17 3:24pm

I disagree that there is "nothing wrong with it." It is common, but common

reagan21

4/18/17 3:24pm

HACK!

reagan21

4/18/17 3:24pm

So there is no accountability on the player for his performance?

jigidajrit

4/18/17 3:26pm

That's quite the logic leap from "nothing wrong with it". It's not all or nothin

Lance71

4/18/17 3:29pm

That's fair. Just noticed that you two were disagreeing with

jigidajrit

4/18/17 3:30pm

Some schools are moving to the 4 year guaranteed scholorship i.e. USC

DK-

4/18/17 3:29pm

Sure wish someone would give me money so that I could claim it was my investment

CougarThug

4/19/17 11:08am

Do you think that accurately depicts Beo? No way. By your standard

reagan21

4/18/17 3:30pm

I wish there were more scholarships available

jigidajrit

4/18/17 3:35pm

NOMINATED!!

CarolinaCoug

4/18/17 4:21pm

The power conferences no longer pull scholarships for performance issues.

Everyman

4/18/17 3:37pm

Or, he can stay in school and pay his own way to graduate like 98% of the rest of the student body,

Turnpike Lane

4/18/17 3:31pm

No. It sucks. There is something wrong with it, and it shows freshmen

reagan21

4/18/17 3:34pm

It is a 1-year offer. He got his 1 year. THe next was not renewed per the contract.

Turnpike Lane

4/18/17 3:38pm

We don't really know that's the case.

Lance71

4/18/17 3:39pm

What in that statement is unknown?

dratax

4/19/17 10:53am

We don't know if he is being offered to stay on the team as a walk on.

Lance71

4/19/17 10:56am

Yes, and BYU has limited his options by pulling a scholarship in April.

reagan21

4/18/17 3:43pm

You do realize April is when this happens for hoops right? After the season is over.

Turnpike Lane

4/18/17 3:48pm

you do realize that AAU coaches will pawn lower level kids on coaches for

reagan21

4/18/17 3:57pm

So because UNLV kept that kid even through a string of run ins with the law, it means BYU

RoaroftheCougartails

4/18/17 5:13pm

Probably. It's part of the recruiting game.

reagan21

4/19/17 10:29am

RE: Yes, and BYU has limited his options by pulling a scholarship in April.

Bullrider

4/20/17 11:44am

This isnt football

Shteve

4/18/17 3:47pm

Doesn't have to be. It is that way for all NCAA sports. Unless the school offers says 4-years. Most are 1 year.

Turnpike Lane

4/18/17 3:51pm

Referring to FCS, not scholarships. Yes, all scholarships are 1 yr.

Shteve

4/18/17 3:57pm

What a load.

Prickly Heat

4/20/17 8:33am

What if the athlete was not offered a scholarship and came as a walk on. Due to circumstances

RoaroftheCougartails

4/18/17 5:11pm

What do school do with Academic Scholarships that do not

pappabear246

4/19/17 8:29am

Or the school simply runs out of scholarships. The line has to be drawn some place.

soupie

4/19/17 8:36am

My family has had basketball scholorships from two different schools

DK-

4/18/17 3:26pm

Bull crap. Chasing away freshmen is just stupid

GeauxCougs

4/18/17 3:31pm

Part of the game, but how this part of it happens varies

Gustav

4/18/17 3:48pm

Like they said, "there's a lot more to" it. Maybe it wasn't all about the

mantis mutu

4/18/17 3:56pm

we yearned for more of his ball handling? you realize one of his only games

LEHI cougar

4/18/17 4:28pm

That was a bad NIT performance, but his stats don't tell the full story.

mantis mutu

4/18/17 4:39pm

hard to say since his only meaningful stretch of minutes on the season came

LEHI cougar

4/18/17 5:11pm

I disagree that BYU expected more of him

teancum

4/18/17 4:13pm

BYU expected more out of a freshman? I really doubt that.

Lip Gallagher

4/18/17 6:04pm

Turnpike Lane is absolutely spot on here. Not sure why people can't get that.

RdF3

4/19/17 8:06am

Tell them we will miss him and wish him the best

byusc23

4/18/17 3:21pm

Personally I would have kept him on scholarship (if that was the issue). He

Dangerous

4/18/17 3:21pm

Depends on the scholarship situation. He came as a walk-on. Thought he was used way more than expected.

soupie

4/18/17 3:24pm

Is it just me, or does it seem like this type of thing is happening more than

inertiaman

4/18/17 3:21pm

No. Signs of a division 1 basketball team. It's not just happening at BYU.

reagan21

4/18/17 3:22pm

More than usual for BYU recently, but in normal amounts for most programs.

Turnpike Lane

4/18/17 3:22pm

I don't think it's a normal amount for successful programs. I'm not advocating

gwalker

4/18/17 3:34pm

It happens at the big programs quite a bit, they often pull in

califcougar

4/18/17 3:51pm

Doesn't the linked article track 10 guys over a 15 year period? We're hitting a

gwalker

4/18/17 3:59pm

How many of the guys are leaving because they don't want to be part of the

califcougar

4/18/17 4:48pm

Not so sure about the last 3 on your list. Pretty sure Toolson & Guinn would have been welcomed back. No idea

soupie

4/18/17 4:59pm

Sidnt we lose a disgruntled player to Ok st? Pretty sure FB 3 was digruntled too

CarolinaCoug

4/19/17 12:55pm

Yup

teancum

4/18/17 4:09pm

Asked to step aside for another scholarship? Bad for Beo family, but it's just

reagan21

4/18/17 3:21pm

It's really tough when you were really a preferred walk-on all along

Indy Coug

4/18/17 3:23pm

That's a pretty big departure from this

donnerstag

4/18/17 3:24pm

Thanks for sharing. Please tell Sister Beo and Cougar Nation wishes her son the

BIG XII Coug

4/18/17 3:25pm

All of these really hurt, especially this one. I thought Beo showed real promise

LegitCoug

4/18/17 3:25pm

I thought he'd be a nice role player for years to come

donnerstag

4/18/17 3:27pm

He was a level-headed player who didn't make many mistakes.

Freddie Cougar

4/18/17 3:32pm

The sad thing is that it's only a business for the school not for the kids

thebruce

4/18/17 3:29pm

Not only is this common for D1 sports ... it's common for schollies PERIOD.

runnincoug

4/18/17 3:30pm

The tough thing here is that we will probably never see the other side of the story.

TheWanderer

4/18/17 3:31pm

He should still be on the roster even if he's not on scholarship. I don't have

ayfan

4/18/17 3:32pm

my bet, he was offered to go back to walk-on status and felt slighted by that.

LEHI cougar

4/18/17 3:37pm

Tell him he will be treated like family at SUU

GeauxCougs

4/18/17 3:32pm

Was he given the chance to play as a walk-on next year?

Greg Kite's 'stache

4/18/17 3:33pm

We lose LJ Rose. If Aytes and Kaufusi are gone, I don't see why

gwalker

4/18/17 3:33pm

Kaufusi is a football schollie, not hoops, per NCAA rules.

Turnpike Lane

4/18/17 3:35pm

True. Switch in Davis leaving too and you get to the same place in terms of

gwalker

4/18/17 3:36pm

Corbin was already counted as FB this last season so he's out of the mix anyway.

soupie

4/18/17 3:40pm

Rumor i heard IN February said beo might be leaving. I doubt rose is asking

BYUheaven

4/18/17 3:34pm

Interesting. Beo was a frosh and played like it. Small, not quick

Coogar2

4/18/17 9:13pm

hard to complain that you were promised a pref. walk-on spot and got a

LEHI cougar

4/18/17 3:35pm

What did he do that showed anything worth the scholarship?

IronPotato

4/18/17 3:44pm

This is distressing. Too much of this has been occurring

dixdog

4/18/17 3:51pm

Work on those dribbling and passing skills

dizthewiz

4/18/17 4:07pm

I don't necessarily think airing the grievance publicly is the right way to

Iman23

4/18/17 4:09pm

George Costanza probably agrees.

Shteve

4/18/17 4:20pm

you mean Frank?

LEHI cougar

4/18/17 4:32pm

lol no, Frank would disagree.

Shteve

4/18/17 4:41pm

true

LEHI cougar

4/18/17 4:51pm

Who is airing grievances?

Remigius

4/18/17 4:37pm

Beo's mom asked this to be posted. I'd say Beo camp is airing grievances...

Iman23

4/18/17 4:48pm

This is your evidence of grievance:

Mises

4/18/17 4:54pm

That was not the intent. The original post has been edited.

Dishonor Code

4/18/17 4:57pm

Didn't seem to be airing grievance. Seemed pretty classy to me. Didn't throw an

Big Daddy D

4/18/17 4:59pm

original message was edited, you didn't see the whole thing

LEHI cougar

4/18/17 5:13pm

Oh, yes, I never saw the original. Late to the party, as usual.

Big Daddy D

4/18/17 5:19pm

gotta quit that job and surf CB constantly all day long.

LEHI cougar

4/18/17 5:23pm

No doubt. I would be so much more in the know living out of my car!

Big Daddy D

4/18/17 7:57pm

The second part of the message was deleted.

BerkeleyCoug

4/18/17 5:14pm

This is the truth.

roseyscenario

4/19/17 7:32am

Why is it Beo's fault that Emery plays poorly?

CarolinaCoug

4/18/17 4:20pm

What on earth does Emery have to do with this?

Freddie Cougar

4/18/17 4:52pm

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Abe Froman

4/20/17 8:21am

Based on her text it sounds like he's leaving this world.

Thug Mormons

4/18/17 4:33pm

I literally LOL d

DumpsterFire

4/18/17 11:41pm

why did you delete the second part of her text?

LEHI cougar

4/18/17 4:34pm

THIS WHOLE THREAD SHOULD NOW BE DELETED

Shteve

4/18/17 5:29pm

why? no one has personally attacked Beo or the coaching staff

LEHI cougar

4/18/17 5:38pm

Maybe Rose can't coach players up and so getting rid of someone who needs a bit

84 Grad

4/18/17 5:15pm

he did "coach up" a National Player of the Year from a barely recruited

LEHI cougar

4/18/17 5:29pm

I miss Dave Rice. BYU basketball hasn't been the same since he left.

84 Grad

4/18/17 5:40pm

what did he do specifically to coach them up?

icecougar

4/18/17 6:43pm

lol, so he gets 0 credit for the successes but all the blame for the failures?

LEHI cougar

4/18/17 6:55pm

No, the credit he gets is different. Not for developing him but recognizing...

icecougar

4/20/17 12:33am

Jimmer perfectly fit Rose's ad lib, free-flowing shoot at will

unctoothman

4/18/17 7:09pm

Rose's system absolutely made Jimmer. If Jimmer hadn't had the massive

LEHI cougar

4/18/17 7:15pm

So your definition of Coaching Up is Do What You Want?

84 Grad

4/18/17 7:19pm

You can't be that obtuse? Jimmer didn't get better from his

LEHI cougar

4/19/17 7:33am

Your words: "Massive green light and 0 accountability."

84 Grad

4/19/17 7:56am

BINGO!

icecougar

4/20/17 12:34am

tell them we're sad to see him leave

icecougar

4/18/17 6:39pm

My take? This blows.

byujdmba

4/18/17 10:19pm

I don't think he was ever going to be a star, but I don't think that matters

Epileptic Beagle

4/18/17 11:27pm

May sound harsh but you can get a million kids like him anytime. He's probably a good kid but in all

The Dude Abides

4/18/17 11:46pm

Sure but there is value in retention and not having to retrain everyone every

Epileptic Beagle

4/19/17 12:08am

I definitely see your point and with guys like Chatman, Bartley, Neilson, etc I 100% agree. I just don't think

The Dude Abides

4/19/17 8:01am

Totally agree. Great kid, maybe a hard worker, not really a D1 player. Definitely not worth a scholarship

RoaroftheCougartails

4/19/17 9:07am

While I doubt he'd ever be a starter

donnerstag

4/19/17 9:19am

It's Even more sad than when Joanie Loves Chachi was cancelled.

Belboz

4/18/17 11:45pm

Maybe he'll start lobbing law bombs or start a law blog

mcnasty

4/20/17 11:21am

RE: Beo response to the Harmon article.

visitor

4/19/17 12:57pm

Sad that we have totally put our eggs into the LP3.

Blue for Life

4/19/17 6:16pm

It's the reality of college basketball right now. Unless you are a perrenial top

Lance71

4/19/17 6:24pm

I think Steven is a Great kid! Would have loved for him to stay. Agree with some of what you said.

RoaroftheCougartails

4/19/17 6:44pm

Was aware of some of this but not all. Personally I was hoping he would stay and develop. Thought he did well

soupie

4/19/17 8:28pm

I agree. It's poor form and bad karma to

bigjohn

4/20/17 7:33am

Not sure you got out of my message what I meant, but okay.

soupie

4/20/17 8:35am

I got your message and agree. Juggling scholarships is not easy in basketball

LV Mike

4/20/17 9:06am

Exactly. I'm more concerned about "how" things are handled than the actual actions. Those

soupie

4/20/17 9:50am

Frankly this was my take, too

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