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Jan 9, 2013
7:57:38am

Medute

That's not what I was debating

BYU has a larger pool to choose from because of their religious affiliation and cheap cost. This enables them to be more selective with their acceptance standards and will therefore result in students with higher GPAs and test scores. But Utah's actual undergrad programs are very much on par with BYU's from a national rankings perspective.

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Medute

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Utah football to make $40 million in revenue within 2 years?

Medute

1/9/13 6:37am

I wonder if it is sustainable

kccougar

1/9/13 6:40am

Already in 60 million homes - very sustainable

Medute

1/9/13 6:46am

from what I understand it may be "available" to that many but not actually in

BYUFam1

1/9/13 9:51am

Yeah, I am not sure about that

Medute

1/9/13 10:54am

Too bad all that money couldn't buy them a bowl game.

BluePete

1/9/13 6:41am

Word

Medute

1/9/13 6:41am

no one can argue that Utes are benefit greatly from the PAC12 gravy train

bald man

1/9/13 6:47am

Still can't believe how lucky you guys are. Seriously. The PAC has a chance to

Iman23

1/9/13 6:56am

Everyone knows it. Which is precisely why you see so much "Fully Invited" PAC12

kccougar

1/9/13 6:59am

That is pretty funny, haven't seen those up here.

MatthiasG

1/9/13 5:18pm

I think there were 3 reasonable selections for PAC expansion

Medute

1/9/13 7:03am

Just surprises me b/c Larry Scott was supposed to be this innovative rain maker

Iman23

1/9/13 7:12am

You have to be careful with that growth

Medute

1/9/13 7:16am

Fit in academically. What a crock.

kccougar

1/9/13 7:14am

BYU is very different even than other religious schools

fleaman

1/9/13 7:20am

Religious requirements are not the same as academics.

kccougar

1/9/13 7:23am

The lack of academic freedom is academic, and the way BYU is run

fleaman

1/9/13 7:26am

RE: BYU is very different even than other religious schools

Lynk

1/9/13 8:00am

If you oppose Church policy, you can be fired

fleaman

1/9/13 9:45am

Try to see clearly through your hatred

Medute

1/9/13 7:25am

That's the funny thing. People talk about fitting in the PAC12

kccougar

1/9/13 7:28am

What conference doesn't have bottom feeder schools academically speaking.

MatthiasG

1/9/13 5:21pm

They should also take advantage of USC's continuous meltdown and have a good

Downtown

1/9/13 7:05am

Byu should be in a big conference, no question

jdart

1/9/13 7:06am

Tell the truth, you have a Pac12 sticker on your car, don't you?

kccougar

1/9/13 7:16am

Yes, along with an Under Armour sticker and 12 Utah logos

jdart

1/9/13 7:17am

I'll give you a slight advantage in academics, with the med school, and research

Iman23

1/9/13 7:19am

I see as much research coming out of BYU as I do Utah, med school excepted.

kccougar

1/9/13 7:22am

Most educational conversations are about graduate schools

jdart

1/9/13 7:27am

Convince me that science grad programs at the U put out more research.

kccougar

1/9/13 7:29am

Per Pac12, a researcher that prays is not really a researcher.

1/9/13 7:31am

BYU's research budget: $29.5 million Utah's: $370 million+

fleaman

1/9/13 7:42am

LOL.

kccougar

1/9/13 7:45am

What are the P&T standards at each school?

1/9/13 7:48am

-chirp, chirp-

1/9/13 7:55am

Tenure is "continuing status" @ BYU. At Utah it's like other public research

fleaman

1/9/13 8:14am

RE: Tenure is "continuing status" @ BYU. At Utah it's like other public

Lynk

1/9/13 8:24am

If it is the same why not call it tenure?

fleaman

1/9/13 8:51am

It is the same

Lynk

1/9/13 9:11am

Process the same but reasons very different

fleaman

1/9/13 9:30am

Define

Lynk

1/9/13 9:52am

For math & physics, I'm sure BYU has academic freedom

fleaman

1/9/13 9:59am

Define

Lynk

1/9/13 10:15am

Research at BYU cannot lead to the conclusion that the LDS Church is not true

fleaman

1/9/13 10:33am

Disagree

Lynk

1/9/13 4:48pm

Those figures are from 2009. Utah's research budget is now north of $430 million

Corsica

5/2/14 11:04am

It's relatively easy to get into many of Utah's grad programs as well.

Bro

1/9/13 7:31am

ALL of Utah's National Academy of Sciences members are at Utah

fleaman

1/9/13 7:30am

Lincoln hated Mormons!

BlueFrog

1/9/13 7:33am

The enrollment advantage is more a reflection of religion and cost than quality

Medute

1/9/13 7:41am

Not sure I followed your logic.

CougarEyes

1/9/13 7:55am

That's not what I was debating

Medute

1/9/13 7:57am

Academic Programs

Lynk

1/9/13 8:17am

You won't hear me cut on BYU's academics anywhere

Medute

1/9/13 8:23am

RE: You won't hear me cut on BYU's academics anywhere

Lynk

1/9/13 8:30am

I think they get a great education

Medute

1/9/13 8:43am

Listen, you are biased, and so am I....

idacoug

1/9/13 7:35am

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jdart

1/9/13 7:43am

Do you think it has to do specifically with Mormonism or just religion

Medute

1/9/13 7:56am

Right. When given the choice, always go with the Yes man.

kccougar

1/9/13 7:58am

Again, researchers and students who pray really aren't academic at all.

1/9/13 7:58am

Would the Pac take

MHOP

1/9/13 8:04am

They already give ND

MHOP

1/9/13 8:08am

Notre Dame is less like BYU than you think

Medute

1/9/13 8:12am

And at least now we're coming round to the real issues

kccougar

1/9/13 8:07am

Two words - Prop 8

TeeKaa

1/9/13 8:47am

I certainly disagree with several things you posted

Medute

1/9/13 9:01am

And related, PAC12 developing Utah's potential is why the Rivalry game is dead.

kccougar

1/9/13 9:11am

Exactly what I thought when I read the post.

Y Mountain

1/9/13 10:35am

I think potential, if we look at best case for all

TeeKaa

1/9/13 12:04pm

Let's look at football closer

Medute

1/9/13 12:52pm

I agree the series has been close the last 10 years

TeeKaa

1/9/13 2:32pm

I don't think it's as lopsided as you think

Medute

1/9/13 5:13pm

Research budgets at P12 schools:

fleaman

1/9/13 9:52am

Bunch of bigots

1/9/13 6:59am

The hard part is that Utah's now competing with teams that make twice that

hansel

1/9/13 7:01am

Very true...Texas $150 million revenue last I saw

Medute

1/9/13 7:06am

It is crazy the difference between conferences. It's still tough for Utah to

Bro

1/9/13 7:14am

Utah is going to have to find their niche

Medute

1/9/13 7:28am

You can't expect anything better than the AZ schools

TXSmith

1/9/13 7:43am

Their niche could be in basketball...

Y Mountain

1/9/13 10:15am

You make great points

Medute

1/9/13 10:56am

Why does any fan care about revenue for the school?

Swiadomy

1/9/13 7:36am

Athletic revenue matters because it means new facilities

jdart

1/9/13 7:41am

Look at what has happened since the announcement

Medute

1/9/13 7:48am

So they hired BJ as OC bc they had more money?

TN_Coug

1/9/13 7:51am

Money to burn, apparently.

kccougar

1/9/13 7:56am

Weird hire if you ask me

Medute

1/9/13 8:02am

I hope he keeps seeing this "something" there with him and other hires.

bald man

1/9/13 8:13am

Well, those higher coaching salaries have a great early return.

bald man

1/9/13 7:53am

The money from the MWC was worthless.

spugeddy24

1/9/13 7:44am

This is the exact reason why Utah must pay its own way going forward. Not $1 of

Rocketman

1/9/13 8:19am

Care to outline how much of the last expansion was tax funded?

Tokolosh

1/9/13 8:23am

Rocketman never relies on facts to form his opinions.

HSprauge

1/9/13 8:30pm

It is always clear when a nerve has been struck with Baltic Ave, HSprauge shows

Rocketman

1/9/13 8:59pm

Uncle Larry is more than happy to help with stadium expansion. Meawhile...

HSprauge

1/9/13 9:06pm

Oh, and Rocketman... do you have a response to the question posed by Tokolosh?

HSprauge

1/9/13 9:10pm

Help with it? How about all of it.

Rocketman

1/9/13 9:12pm

Still waiting for an answer to the Tokolosh question... hmmmm?

HSprauge

1/9/13 9:13pm

Only someone with access to the Olympic books could give provide the quantitativ

Rocketman

1/9/13 9:25pm

So if you have no evidence that a single dime of state money was used for...

HSprauge

1/9/13 9:33pm

Can you or any U administrators provide the evidence (accounting records) that

Rocketman

1/9/13 9:47pm

So your entire basis for concern that Utah stadium expansion might be funded...

HSprauge

1/9/13 9:59pm

I am bothered that Dr. Hill is already exploring ways for taxpayers to pay for

Rocketman

1/9/13 10:04pm

You have zero evidence that Dr. Hill is exploring state funding for stadium...

HSprauge

1/9/13 10:13pm

Let me say it a little more clearly. I read a newspaper article several months

Rocketman

1/9/13 10:19pm

Actually, the article you refer to was published July 12, 2012...

HSprauge

1/9/13 10:35pm

Check it... July 3, 2012.

HSprauge

1/9/13 10:39pm

Exploration committee = no state money? Interesting deduction....

Rocketman

1/9/13 10:44pm

Exploration committee = state money? Interesting deduction.

HSprauge

1/9/13 10:49pm

The SLOC issues weren't realted to sketchy accounting. It was bribes and gifts.

Tokolosh

1/10/13 12:00pm

If they are planning on using it for an Olympic bid

Medute

1/9/13 8:25am

I don't think any state money should be used on olympics.

bald man

1/9/13 8:28am

A couple of flaws in your story

ManicBlue

1/9/13 9:09am

Ok, allow me to correct then

Medute

1/9/13 9:42am

I'm not suggesting

ManicBlue

1/9/13 9:59am

Just thinking about football falling to those levels makes me sick

Medute

1/9/13 10:57am

I wonder when the law of diminishing returns starts to occur.

CougarPilot

1/9/13 11:26am

My opinion of Utah's recruiting strategy

Medute

1/9/13 11:48am

Utah has massive facility needs though for the PAC. $$ goes there first

lawboy

1/9/13 12:45pm

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