RE: Tenure is "continuing status" @ BYU. At Utah it's like other public

Jan 9, 2013
8:24:05am

Lynk

They are functionally the same thing. Having seen the process at multiple institutions and been a reviewer for dozens of files, anybody who claims they are different things because they have different names does not understand how universities work.

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Utah football to make $40 million in revenue within 2 years?

Medute

1/9/13 6:37am

I wonder if it is sustainable

kccougar

1/9/13 6:40am

Already in 60 million homes - very sustainable

Medute

1/9/13 6:46am

from what I understand it may be "available" to that many but not actually in

BYUFam1

1/9/13 9:51am

Yeah, I am not sure about that

Medute

1/9/13 10:54am

Too bad all that money couldn't buy them a bowl game.

BluePete

1/9/13 6:41am

Word

Medute

1/9/13 6:41am

no one can argue that Utes are benefit greatly from the PAC12 gravy train

bald man

1/9/13 6:47am

Still can't believe how lucky you guys are. Seriously. The PAC has a chance to

Iman23

1/9/13 6:56am

Everyone knows it. Which is precisely why you see so much "Fully Invited" PAC12

kccougar

1/9/13 6:59am

That is pretty funny, haven't seen those up here.

MatthiasG

1/9/13 5:18pm

I think there were 3 reasonable selections for PAC expansion

Medute

1/9/13 7:03am

Just surprises me b/c Larry Scott was supposed to be this innovative rain maker

Iman23

1/9/13 7:12am

You have to be careful with that growth

Medute

1/9/13 7:16am

Fit in academically. What a crock.

kccougar

1/9/13 7:14am

BYU is very different even than other religious schools

fleaman

1/9/13 7:20am

Religious requirements are not the same as academics.

kccougar

1/9/13 7:23am

The lack of academic freedom is academic, and the way BYU is run

fleaman

1/9/13 7:26am

RE: BYU is very different even than other religious schools

Lynk

1/9/13 8:00am

If you oppose Church policy, you can be fired

fleaman

1/9/13 9:45am

Try to see clearly through your hatred

Medute

1/9/13 7:25am

That's the funny thing. People talk about fitting in the PAC12

kccougar

1/9/13 7:28am

What conference doesn't have bottom feeder schools academically speaking.

MatthiasG

1/9/13 5:21pm

They should also take advantage of USC's continuous meltdown and have a good

Downtown

1/9/13 7:05am

Byu should be in a big conference, no question

jdart

1/9/13 7:06am

Tell the truth, you have a Pac12 sticker on your car, don't you?

kccougar

1/9/13 7:16am

Yes, along with an Under Armour sticker and 12 Utah logos

jdart

1/9/13 7:17am

I'll give you a slight advantage in academics, with the med school, and research

Iman23

1/9/13 7:19am

I see as much research coming out of BYU as I do Utah, med school excepted.

kccougar

1/9/13 7:22am

Most educational conversations are about graduate schools

jdart

1/9/13 7:27am

Convince me that science grad programs at the U put out more research.

kccougar

1/9/13 7:29am

Per Pac12, a researcher that prays is not really a researcher.

Hoosier Coug

1/9/13 7:31am

BYU's research budget: $29.5 million Utah's: $370 million+

fleaman

1/9/13 7:42am

LOL.

kccougar

1/9/13 7:45am

What are the P&T standards at each school?

Hoosier Coug

1/9/13 7:48am

-chirp, chirp-

Hoosier Coug

1/9/13 7:55am

Tenure is "continuing status" @ BYU. At Utah it's like other public research

fleaman

1/9/13 8:14am

RE: Tenure is "continuing status" @ BYU. At Utah it's like other public

Lynk

1/9/13 8:24am

If it is the same why not call it tenure?

fleaman

1/9/13 8:51am

It is the same

Lynk

1/9/13 9:11am

Process the same but reasons very different

fleaman

1/9/13 9:30am

Define

Lynk

1/9/13 9:52am

For math & physics, I'm sure BYU has academic freedom

fleaman

1/9/13 9:59am

Define

Lynk

1/9/13 10:15am

Research at BYU cannot lead to the conclusion that the LDS Church is not true

fleaman

1/9/13 10:33am

Disagree

Lynk

1/9/13 4:48pm

Those figures are from 2009. Utah's research budget is now north of $430 million

Corsica

5/2/14 11:04am

It's relatively easy to get into many of Utah's grad programs as well.

Bro

1/9/13 7:31am

ALL of Utah's National Academy of Sciences members are at Utah

fleaman

1/9/13 7:30am

Lincoln hated Mormons!

BlueFrog

1/9/13 7:33am

The enrollment advantage is more a reflection of religion and cost than quality

Medute

1/9/13 7:41am

Not sure I followed your logic.

CougarEyes

1/9/13 7:55am

That's not what I was debating

Medute

1/9/13 7:57am

Academic Programs

Lynk

1/9/13 8:17am

You won't hear me cut on BYU's academics anywhere

Medute

1/9/13 8:23am

RE: You won't hear me cut on BYU's academics anywhere

Lynk

1/9/13 8:30am

I think they get a great education

Medute

1/9/13 8:43am

Listen, you are biased, and so am I....

idacoug

1/9/13 7:35am

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jdart

1/9/13 7:43am

Do you think it has to do specifically with Mormonism or just religion

Medute

1/9/13 7:56am

Right. When given the choice, always go with the Yes man.

kccougar

1/9/13 7:58am

Again, researchers and students who pray really aren't academic at all.

Hoosier Coug

1/9/13 7:58am

Would the Pac take

MHOP

1/9/13 8:04am

They already give ND

MHOP

1/9/13 8:08am

Notre Dame is less like BYU than you think

Medute

1/9/13 8:12am

And at least now we're coming round to the real issues

kccougar

1/9/13 8:07am

Two words - Prop 8

TeeKaa

1/9/13 8:47am

I certainly disagree with several things you posted

Medute

1/9/13 9:01am

kccougar

1/9/13 9:11am

Exactly what I thought when I read the post.

Y Mountain

1/9/13 10:35am

I think potential, if we look at best case for all

TeeKaa

1/9/13 12:04pm

Let's look at football closer

Medute

1/9/13 12:52pm

I agree the series has been close the last 10 years

TeeKaa

1/9/13 2:32pm

I don't think it's as lopsided as you think

Medute

1/9/13 5:13pm

Research budgets at P12 schools:

fleaman

1/9/13 9:52am

Bunch of bigots

Hoosier Coug

1/9/13 6:59am

The hard part is that Utah's now competing with teams that make twice that

hansel

1/9/13 7:01am

Very true...Texas $150 million revenue last I saw

Medute

1/9/13 7:06am

It is crazy the difference between conferences. It's still tough for Utah to

Bro

1/9/13 7:14am

Utah is going to have to find their niche

Medute

1/9/13 7:28am

You can't expect anything better than the AZ schools

TXSmith

1/9/13 7:43am

Their niche could be in basketball...

Y Mountain

1/9/13 10:15am

You make great points

Medute

1/9/13 10:56am

Why does any fan care about revenue for the school?

Swiadomy

1/9/13 7:36am

Athletic revenue matters because it means new facilities

jdart

1/9/13 7:41am

Look at what has happened since the announcement

Medute

1/9/13 7:48am

So they hired BJ as OC bc they had more money?

TN_Coug

1/9/13 7:51am

Money to burn, apparently.

kccougar

1/9/13 7:56am

Weird hire if you ask me

Medute

1/9/13 8:02am

I hope he keeps seeing this "something" there with him and other hires.

bald man

1/9/13 8:13am

Well, those higher coaching salaries have a great early return.

bald man

1/9/13 7:53am

The money from the MWC was worthless.

spugeddy24

1/9/13 7:44am

This is the exact reason why Utah must pay its own way going forward. Not $1 of

Rocketman

1/9/13 8:19am

Care to outline how much of the last expansion was tax funded?

Tokolosh

1/9/13 8:23am

Rocketman never relies on facts to form his opinions.

HSprauge

1/9/13 8:30pm

It is always clear when a nerve has been struck with Baltic Ave, HSprauge shows

Rocketman

1/9/13 8:59pm

Uncle Larry is more than happy to help with stadium expansion. Meawhile...

HSprauge

1/9/13 9:06pm

Oh, and Rocketman... do you have a response to the question posed by Tokolosh?

HSprauge

1/9/13 9:10pm

Help with it? How about all of it.

Rocketman

1/9/13 9:12pm

Still waiting for an answer to the Tokolosh question... hmmmm?

HSprauge

1/9/13 9:13pm

Only someone with access to the Olympic books could give provide the quantitativ

Rocketman

1/9/13 9:25pm

So if you have no evidence that a single dime of state money was used for...

HSprauge

1/9/13 9:33pm

Can you or any U administrators provide the evidence (accounting records) that

Rocketman

1/9/13 9:47pm

So your entire basis for concern that Utah stadium expansion might be funded...

HSprauge

1/9/13 9:59pm

I am bothered that Dr. Hill is already exploring ways for taxpayers to pay for

Rocketman

1/9/13 10:04pm

You have zero evidence that Dr. Hill is exploring state funding for stadium...

HSprauge

1/9/13 10:13pm

Let me say it a little more clearly. I read a newspaper article several months

Rocketman

1/9/13 10:19pm

Actually, the article you refer to was published July 12, 2012...

HSprauge

1/9/13 10:35pm

Check it... July 3, 2012.

HSprauge

1/9/13 10:39pm

Exploration committee = no state money? Interesting deduction....

Rocketman

1/9/13 10:44pm

Exploration committee = state money? Interesting deduction.

HSprauge

1/9/13 10:49pm

The SLOC issues weren't realted to sketchy accounting. It was bribes and gifts.

Tokolosh

1/10/13 12:00pm

If they are planning on using it for an Olympic bid

Medute

1/9/13 8:25am

I don't think any state money should be used on olympics.

bald man

1/9/13 8:28am

A couple of flaws in your story

ManicBlue

1/9/13 9:09am

Ok, allow me to correct then

Medute

1/9/13 9:42am

I'm not suggesting

ManicBlue

1/9/13 9:59am

Just thinking about football falling to those levels makes me sick

Medute

1/9/13 10:57am

I wonder when the law of diminishing returns starts to occur.

CougarPilot

1/9/13 11:26am

My opinion of Utah's recruiting strategy

Medute

1/9/13 11:48am

Utah has massive facility needs though for the PAC. $$ goes there first

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