BYU Enrollment by Ethnicity - Native Americans, Pacific Islanders short-shrifted

Jun 30, 2016
12:40:28am

jomo All-American

BYU has had a long and established special relationship with Native Americans and with the peoples of the Pacific.

There are over 35,000 Pacific Islanders in Utah. There are now at least 29 Tongan Wards in Utah, and 3 Tongan Stakes. Roughly 1 in 4 of all Tongans call Utah home.

BYU has at least verbally committed to being dedicated to widening its net racially... and it has made some strides, particularly with Asians.

However, the numbers in the graphic below indicate that BYU is in reality "whiter" than the US LDS population (which is roughly 85% white), nevermind that the worldwide LDS ethnic makeup is more ethnically diverse than that.

The American Indian and especially the Pacific Islander enrollment numbers are discouraging.

I very much appreciate our coaching staff being more focused on recruiting Pacific Islanders.

It's time for BYU Admissions to give more than lip-service to doing the same.

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BYU Enrollment by Ethnicity - Native Americans, Pacific Islanders short-shrifted

jomo

6/30/16 12:40am

Wow! No white people?

Choke

6/30/16 1:00am

There's a 6 foot tall version of the graph we make.

mantis mutu

6/30/16 1:04am

Not sure 6 feet would do it.

Choke

6/30/16 1:05am

Black admissions are up though

OU Cougar

6/30/16 3:18am

More complicated than lip service

BringYourUltimate

6/30/16 4:04am

That's my point

jomo

6/30/16 8:27am

You need to show this compared to applicants...

whiteninja

6/30/16 4:58am

Makes too much sense. Let's disregard this approach

cougarmanguy

6/30/16 6:01am

But also they could look for ways to encourage qualified ones to apply

spinner

6/30/16 7:24am

BYU is making *some* effort to do this, it's not enough

jomo

6/30/16 7:58am

How do you know? Your graphic only shows enrollment, not recruitment efforts.

bretonnia

6/30/16 9:34am

I don't claim to know how they run things -- just looking at results

jomo

7/1/16 10:42am

No data on applications, but that's a bit of problem anyway. Research shows you

DrBYU

6/30/16 7:28am

^^^ THIS ^^^

jomo

6/30/16 7:57am

I am not sure you quite know what you're talking about. BYU has bent over

Bob Vance

6/30/16 6:15am

This is a common attitude/opinion... it's flawed in general

jomo

6/30/16 8:11am

I'm a little curious about where you're getting your info about how the BYU

Extra Biscuits

6/30/16 8:34am

Same with my Rez buddy. Got into BYU with very mediocre qualifications.

JAGA97

6/30/16 8:44am

I think you are looking at some results, and making some pretty wild assumptions

Bob Vance

6/30/16 1:01pm

I see where you are going, but another factor is this--with the increased standards

thaws

6/30/16 1:05pm

Not a complete picture

Shawarma

6/30/16 6:43am

RE: Not a complete picture

jomo

6/30/16 8:21am

You clearly don't know all the parameters of the discussion

CougarVikingSeaSider

6/30/16 9:14am

You clearly don't understand the abysmal reality of enrollment now...

jomo

6/30/16 9:31am

I agree. The projections are really head swimming, but if they

CougarVikingSeaSider

6/30/16 12:53pm

Great post... I would just say that I have never heard

jomo

6/30/16 1:53pm

I don't administrators say this per se, but it's probably

CougarVikingSeaSider

6/30/16 3:32pm

I agree this is what has happened, I believe in many ways it's a good thing..

jomo

7/1/16 1:58pm

If anyone was even remotely familiar with the Pathways program

kalifi

6/30/16 3:07pm

Bingo!

CougarVikingSeaSider

6/30/16 3:25pm

Can either of you explain more about pathways and how it might help

jomo

7/1/16 10:44am

Link below.

El Fuego

7/1/16 10:56am

It makes a difference for ALL youth/members. ANYONE can benefit from it

kalifi

7/2/16 11:21am

Are we not concerned about why the numbers are declining? BYU should just add

WDaddy

6/30/16 6:46am

We should absolutely concerned with why the numbers are declining

jomo

6/30/16 8:26am

I am one of the data points in your table so I understand your point very well.

WDaddy

6/30/16 8:32am

I think we agree more than we disagree

jomo

6/30/16 8:40am

Tell me where I said SOAR is solving the problem & that it's enough. You need to

WDaddy

6/30/16 8:47am

Yeah the affirmative action approach has worked so well elsewhere

CougarThug

6/30/16 7:05am

Well, in fact, it has done a lot of good

jomo

6/30/16 9:06am

let the people with the best scores in. Don't even look at race.

sgriff

6/30/16 7:13am

It's often less about race and more about circumstances. A kid who grew up in a

Byron McNertney

6/30/16 7:28am

So since we are getting into stereotypes, then....

byu1

6/30/16 7:53am

Does admitting a kid from a tough situation with poor scores fix stuff?

CosmoK

6/30/16 8:41am

More whites are poor than any other race. No help for them?

sgriff

6/30/16 8:42am

BYU admissions takes as much info as they can gather into consideration.

Byron McNertney

6/30/16 9:52am

But the reports/stats are by race. . .

CosmoK

6/30/16 9:54am

This. Hits the nail on the head

CougarVikingSeaSider

6/30/16 9:18am

I feel the same way

WorfoSAUR

6/30/16 7:43am

AA is about the fact that not everybody starts with the same advantages

spinner

6/30/16 7:49am

This is an excellent observation. We can't

CougarVikingSeaSider

6/30/16 8:34am

Ok. But there are more whites on welfare than anyone else. No help for them?

sgriff

6/30/16 8:41am

Maybe whites on welfare REALLY ARE lazy and unqualified?

CosmoK

6/30/16 9:29am

I'm pretty sure that exact argument gets advanced on CB on the regular. People

TaiJuan

6/30/16 9:39am

More by proportion or by sheer numbers?

spinner

6/30/16 11:59am

Does admitting disadvantaged students some how remove their disadvantage?

CosmoK

6/30/16 8:55am

No, but success with graduation rates of football players at

jomo

6/30/16 8:59am

I don't know that I would have picked Fball players to make the point. . .

CosmoK

6/30/16 9:27am

I wasn't picking on football players, just those who are admitted

jomo

6/30/16 9:47am

It can help, yes. You know, giving the underdog a chance and such

spinner

6/30/16 12:01pm

Exactly

jomo

6/30/16 8:56am

It's total guesswork and doesn't work.

Y'zFan

6/30/16 9:22am

I disagree. This thoughtful post I think does a good job rebutting:

jomo

6/30/16 12:43pm

The guesswork I am referring to is your guesss that

Y'zFan

6/30/16 1:21pm

Not working? Why?

jomo

6/30/16 2:20pm

We need to do something, but those things are the opposite of

Y'zFan

6/30/16 6:00pm

Not wanting to argue -- seriously curious as to what real solutions you see

jomo

7/1/16 11:00am

If one is serious about helping people succeed, then we have to get

Y'zFan

7/1/16 5:11pm

Thanks for the post...

jomo

7/1/16 10:39pm

I can appreciate economic disadvantage, but race does not necessarily show

Roadrunner70

6/30/16 9:35am

This sounds fair...on the surface

MormonThug

6/30/16 8:15am

This is pretty much what we are doing... it's not working

jomo

6/30/16 8:48am

Citation? If you are saying URMs aren't given preferential admissions, I need a

TaiJuan

6/30/16 8:50am

If BYU *is* lowering the bar for minorities...

jomo

6/30/16 9:14am

Don't editorialize. Show the numbers. Link them. Conclusory assertions are not

TaiJuan

6/30/16 9:24am

Apparently Natural-Gas-Man has something to say to you...

jomo

6/30/16 10:00am

So your reference is message board poster that you derisively mocked in the last

TaiJuan

6/30/16 10:06am

You pretty much made my point...

sgriff

6/30/16 12:38pm

It's as if it correlates with when Utah football got better.

TaiJuan

6/30/16 7:33am

Part of it has to do with the CES and their current setup

Seasider

6/30/16 7:49am

Healthy number of transfers to Provo every year

Shawarma

6/30/16 8:21am

How does BYU-Hawaii effect these numbers?

CougarinOZ

6/30/16 7:50am

It doesn't seem to be a factor at all.

jomo

6/30/16 8:33am

This just in.... most colleges are whiter than the general populous they pull from

HarlemCoug

6/30/16 8:21am

This simply isn't true. Just look at Pac-10 Institutions.

jomo

6/30/16 8:29am

Most. Yes, the UC schools are unique. They are significantly more Asian than

TaiJuan

6/30/16 8:46am

You'll also find that Asian students are passed up in the UC system for less

WDaddy

6/30/16 8:51am

Hence, why we call UCLA

JOPE

6/30/16 9:07am

totally disagree, BYU is to serve the best students, not anyone less. BYU -I and

Nat Gas Man

6/30/16 8:30am

Spot on! They have different, but overlapping aims

CougarVikingSeaSider

6/30/16 9:20am

Look at how silly what you are saying is...

jomo

6/30/16 9:43am

just give up, you have no idea what you are talking about. I spent years on the

Nat Gas Man

6/30/16 9:51am

Apparently JAGA97 and JohnnyComeLately disagree...

jomo

6/30/16 10:04am

A football team is not improved by diversity. It's improved by good players.

OPINIONS

6/30/16 8:30am

I'll make you a deal, implement affirmative action in pro sports first, then

kcca

6/30/16 8:37am

^^^BINGO^^^

CougarThug

6/30/16 9:16am

My experience as a Native American at BYU

JohnnyComeLately

6/30/16 8:44am

Just out of curiosity... what years were you a student?

jomo

6/30/16 8:53am

Graduated 2007, started in 2001, took time off for mission.

JohnnyComeLately

6/30/16 9:23am

RE: Graduated 2007, started in 2001, took time off for mission.

WDaddy

6/30/16 9:31am

LOL yes but in my defense i did serve a mission trip

JohnnyComeLately

6/30/16 9:51am

It's the years just after you were admitted

jomo

6/30/16 9:36am

UNC had a pretty effective intervention for football players

Diepkloof

6/30/16 10:43am

Your approach would be the best, but it would be a nightmare to implement.

El Fuego

6/30/16 10:50am

I did the mentoring and the doctor I worked under published the study

JohnnyComeLately

6/30/16 11:21am

If you want to introduce BYU admissions to a hundred Tongan friends of yours

HenderCoug

6/30/16 8:52am

The nursing program is stupid hard to get into, my wife did not get in

JOPE

6/30/16 10:27am

Lies, damned lies, and statistics...

Jasbo

6/30/16 10:01am

Bravo. Nice fact checking.

sgriff

6/30/16 10:16am

Damn lies indeed. The numbers came from BYU.

jomo

6/30/16 10:21am

But this analysis is all you:

TaiJuan

6/30/16 10:46am

That doesn't change the fact that your analysis is wrong.

Jasbo

6/30/16 11:05am

Not any more incorrect than your bogus interpretation... let's go

jomo

6/30/16 11:32am

Not a BYU alum nor have ever lived in Utah or other LDS enclave. Your comment

Jasbo

6/30/16 11:41am

Read

jomo

6/30/16 12:27pm

Pretty sad and disappointed at the responses here... no wonder things are bad

jomo

6/30/16 11:02am

Why? Because the facts don't support your distorted analysis?

Jasbo

6/30/16 11:07am

This is the secular equivalent of "at least I am going to Heaven." When you cant

TaiJuan

6/30/16 11:26am

You have an agenda in what you are hearing... sorry I can't help you

jomo

6/30/16 11:33am

Your agenda seems to be to condemn BYU though you can't back it up.

Jasbo

6/30/16 11:35am

Not condemning BYU. Love BYU. We can do better.

jomo

6/30/16 11:50am

Keep up name calling. You've already conceded that you didn't have numbers to

TaiJuan

6/30/16 11:46am

Name calling? Wow, what reality distortion field are you living in?

jomo

6/30/16 12:12pm

Let me talk to you about facts. The only trend that actually indicates a

TaiJuan

6/30/16 12:48pm

Finally a reasonable response...

jomo

6/30/16 12:54pm

OK. I gave you some very credible data for the last 5 years. I invited you to

TaiJuan

6/30/16 1:02pm

Ah, so you just want to nitpick at a tertiary point...

jomo

6/30/16 1:21pm

It's not turnabout. It's called burden shifting. You made a proposition. I asked

TaiJuan

6/30/16 1:46pm

What do you propose? Because if you have nothing to add, you should keep quiet

Dissenter

6/30/16 12:38pm

Read your own advice... follow... repeat

jomo

6/30/16 12:55pm

Jeez man, you are on one.

Dissenter

6/30/16 12:58pm

Why, because of how easy it is to show you are out to lunch?

Bob Vance

6/30/16 1:10pm

The inconvenient truth...

kcca

6/30/16 1:16pm

An unfortunate opinion.. I'll call your thinktank and raise you a supreme court

jomo

6/30/16 1:36pm

This is great... I give you conclusions drawn from actual data/research

kcca

6/30/16 3:21pm

Whats funny, is he uses the Supreme Court...

Dissenter

6/30/16 4:41pm

You've obviously never read Supreme Court decisions on social issues

jomo

7/1/16 10:49am

Valid point, but don't mistake think-tanks for science

jomo

7/1/16 10:48am

I agree, be skeptical of them, be skeptical of peer reviewed material.

kcca

7/1/16 12:49pm

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