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BYU Enrollment by Ethnicity - Native Americans, Pacific Islanders short-shrifted
jomo
6/30/16 12:40am
Wow! No white people?
Choke
6/30/16 1:00am
There's a 6 foot tall version of the graph we make.
mantis mutu
6/30/16 1:04am
Not sure 6 feet would do it.
Choke
6/30/16 1:05am
Black admissions are up though
OU Cougar
6/30/16 3:18am
More complicated than lip service
BringYourUltimate
6/30/16 4:04am
That's my point
jomo
6/30/16 8:27am
You need to show this compared to applicants...
whiteninja
6/30/16 4:58am
Makes too much sense. Let's disregard this approach
cougarmanguy
6/30/16 6:01am
But also they could look for ways to encourage qualified ones to apply
spinner
6/30/16 7:24am
BYU is making *some* effort to do this, it's not enough
jomo
6/30/16 7:58am
How do you know? Your graphic only shows enrollment, not recruitment efforts.
bretonnia
6/30/16 9:34am
I don't claim to know how they run things -- just looking at results
jomo
7/1/16 10:42am
No data on applications, but that's a bit of problem anyway. Research shows you
DrBYU
6/30/16 7:28am
^^^ THIS ^^^
jomo
6/30/16 7:57am
I am not sure you quite know what you're talking about. BYU has bent over
Bob Vance
6/30/16 6:15am
This is a common attitude/opinion... it's flawed in general
jomo
6/30/16 8:11am
I'm a little curious about where you're getting your info about how the BYU
Extra Biscuits
6/30/16 8:34am
Same with my Rez buddy. Got into BYU with very mediocre qualifications.
JAGA97
6/30/16 8:44am
I think you are looking at some results, and making some pretty wild assumptions
Bob Vance
6/30/16 1:01pm
I see where you are going, but another factor is this--with the increased standards
thaws
6/30/16 1:05pm
Not a complete picture
Shawarma
6/30/16 6:43am
RE: Not a complete picture
jomo
6/30/16 8:21am
You clearly don't know all the parameters of the discussion
CougarVikingSeaSider
6/30/16 9:14am
You clearly don't understand the abysmal reality of enrollment now...
jomo
6/30/16 9:31am
I agree. The projections are really head swimming, but if they
CougarVikingSeaSider
6/30/16 12:53pm
Great post... I would just say that I have never heard
jomo
6/30/16 1:53pm
I don't administrators say this per se, but it's probably
CougarVikingSeaSider
6/30/16 3:32pm
I agree this is what has happened, I believe in many ways it's a good thing..
jomo
7/1/16 1:58pm
If anyone was even remotely familiar with the Pathways program
kalifi
6/30/16 3:07pm
Bingo!
CougarVikingSeaSider
6/30/16 3:25pm
Can either of you explain more about pathways and how it might help
jomo
7/1/16 10:44am
Link below.
El Fuego
7/1/16 10:56am
It makes a difference for ALL youth/members. ANYONE can benefit from it
kalifi
7/2/16 11:21am
Are we not concerned about why the numbers are declining? BYU should just add
WDaddy
6/30/16 6:46am
We should absolutely concerned with why the numbers are declining
jomo
6/30/16 8:26am
I am one of the data points in your table so I understand your point very well.
WDaddy
6/30/16 8:32am
I think we agree more than we disagree
jomo
6/30/16 8:40am
Tell me where I said SOAR is solving the problem & that it's enough. You need to
WDaddy
6/30/16 8:47am
Yeah the affirmative action approach has worked so well elsewhere
CougarThug
6/30/16 7:05am
Well, in fact, it has done a lot of good
jomo
6/30/16 9:06am
let the people with the best scores in. Don't even look at race.
sgriff
6/30/16 7:13am
It's often less about race and more about circumstances. A kid who grew up in a
Byron McNertney
6/30/16 7:28am
So since we are getting into stereotypes, then....
byu1
6/30/16 7:53am
Does admitting a kid from a tough situation with poor scores fix stuff?
CosmoK
6/30/16 8:41am
More whites are poor than any other race. No help for them?
sgriff
6/30/16 8:42am
BYU admissions takes as much info as they can gather into consideration.
Byron McNertney
6/30/16 9:52am
But the reports/stats are by race. . .
CosmoK
6/30/16 9:54am
This. Hits the nail on the head
CougarVikingSeaSider
6/30/16 9:18am
I feel the same way
WorfoSAUR
6/30/16 7:43am
AA is about the fact that not everybody starts with the same advantages
spinner
6/30/16 7:49am
This is an excellent observation. We can't
CougarVikingSeaSider
6/30/16 8:34am
Ok. But there are more whites on welfare than anyone else. No help for them?
sgriff
6/30/16 8:41am
Maybe whites on welfare REALLY ARE lazy and unqualified?
CosmoK
6/30/16 9:29am
I'm pretty sure that exact argument gets advanced on CB on the regular. People
TaiJuan
6/30/16 9:39am
More by proportion or by sheer numbers?
spinner
6/30/16 11:59am
Does admitting disadvantaged students some how remove their disadvantage?
CosmoK
6/30/16 8:55am
No, but success with graduation rates of football players at
jomo
6/30/16 8:59am
I don't know that I would have picked Fball players to make the point. . .
CosmoK
6/30/16 9:27am
I wasn't picking on football players, just those who are admitted
jomo
6/30/16 9:47am
It can help, yes. You know, giving the underdog a chance and such
spinner
6/30/16 12:01pm
Exactly
jomo
6/30/16 8:56am
It's total guesswork and doesn't work.
Y'zFan
6/30/16 9:22am
I disagree. This thoughtful post I think does a good job rebutting:
jomo
6/30/16 12:43pm
The guesswork I am referring to is your guesss that
Y'zFan
6/30/16 1:21pm
Not working? Why?
jomo
6/30/16 2:20pm
We need to do something, but those things are the opposite of
Y'zFan
6/30/16 6:00pm
Not wanting to argue -- seriously curious as to what real solutions you see
jomo
7/1/16 11:00am
If one is serious about helping people succeed, then we have to get
Y'zFan
7/1/16 5:11pm
Thanks for the post...
jomo
7/1/16 10:39pm
I can appreciate economic disadvantage, but race does not necessarily show
Roadrunner70
6/30/16 9:35am
This sounds fair...on the surface
MormonThug
6/30/16 8:15am
This is pretty much what we are doing... it's not working
jomo
6/30/16 8:48am
Citation? If you are saying URMs aren't given preferential admissions, I need a
TaiJuan
6/30/16 8:50am
If BYU *is* lowering the bar for minorities...
jomo
6/30/16 9:14am
Don't editorialize. Show the numbers. Link them. Conclusory assertions are not
TaiJuan
6/30/16 9:24am
Apparently Natural-Gas-Man has something to say to you...
jomo
6/30/16 10:00am
So your reference is message board poster that you derisively mocked in the last
TaiJuan
6/30/16 10:06am
You pretty much made my point...
sgriff
6/30/16 12:38pm
It's as if it correlates with when Utah football got better.
TaiJuan
6/30/16 7:33am
Part of it has to do with the CES and their current setup
Seasider
6/30/16 7:49am
Healthy number of transfers to Provo every year
Shawarma
6/30/16 8:21am
How does BYU-Hawaii effect these numbers?
CougarinOZ
6/30/16 7:50am
It doesn't seem to be a factor at all.
jomo
6/30/16 8:33am
This just in.... most colleges are whiter than the general populous they pull from
HarlemCoug
6/30/16 8:21am
This simply isn't true. Just look at Pac-10 Institutions.
jomo
6/30/16 8:29am
Most. Yes, the UC schools are unique. They are significantly more Asian than
TaiJuan
6/30/16 8:46am
You'll also find that Asian students are passed up in the UC system for less
WDaddy
6/30/16 8:51am
Hence, why we call UCLA
JOPE
6/30/16 9:07am
totally disagree, BYU is to serve the best students, not anyone less. BYU -I and
Nat Gas Man
6/30/16 8:30am
Spot on! They have different, but overlapping aims
CougarVikingSeaSider
6/30/16 9:20am
Look at how silly what you are saying is...
jomo
6/30/16 9:43am
just give up, you have no idea what you are talking about. I spent years on the
Nat Gas Man
6/30/16 9:51am
Apparently JAGA97 and JohnnyComeLately disagree...
jomo
6/30/16 10:04am
A football team is not improved by diversity. It's improved by good players.
OPINIONS
6/30/16 8:30am
I'll make you a deal, implement affirmative action in pro sports first, then
kcca
6/30/16 8:37am
^^^BINGO^^^
CougarThug
6/30/16 9:16am
My experience as a Native American at BYU
JohnnyComeLately
6/30/16 8:44am
Just out of curiosity... what years were you a student?
jomo
6/30/16 8:53am
Graduated 2007, started in 2001, took time off for mission.
JohnnyComeLately
6/30/16 9:23am
RE: Graduated 2007, started in 2001, took time off for mission.
WDaddy
6/30/16 9:31am
LOL yes but in my defense i did serve a mission trip
JohnnyComeLately
6/30/16 9:51am
It's the years just after you were admitted
jomo
6/30/16 9:36am
UNC had a pretty effective intervention for football players
Diepkloof
6/30/16 10:43am
Your approach would be the best, but it would be a nightmare to implement.
El Fuego
6/30/16 10:50am
I did the mentoring and the doctor I worked under published the study
JohnnyComeLately
6/30/16 11:21am
If you want to introduce BYU admissions to a hundred Tongan friends of yours
HenderCoug
6/30/16 8:52am
The nursing program is stupid hard to get into, my wife did not get in
JOPE
6/30/16 10:27am
Lies, damned lies, and statistics...
Jasbo
6/30/16 10:01am
Bravo. Nice fact checking.
sgriff
6/30/16 10:16am
Damn lies indeed. The numbers came from BYU.
jomo
6/30/16 10:21am
But this analysis is all you:
TaiJuan
6/30/16 10:46am
That doesn't change the fact that your analysis is wrong.
Jasbo
6/30/16 11:05am
Not any more incorrect than your bogus interpretation... let's go
jomo
6/30/16 11:32am
Not a BYU alum nor have ever lived in Utah or other LDS enclave. Your comment
Jasbo
6/30/16 11:41am
Read
jomo
6/30/16 12:27pm
Pretty sad and disappointed at the responses here... no wonder things are bad
jomo
6/30/16 11:02am
Why? Because the facts don't support your distorted analysis?
Jasbo
6/30/16 11:07am
This is the secular equivalent of "at least I am going to Heaven." When you cant
TaiJuan
6/30/16 11:26am
You have an agenda in what you are hearing... sorry I can't help you
jomo
6/30/16 11:33am
Your agenda seems to be to condemn BYU though you can't back it up.
Jasbo
6/30/16 11:35am
Not condemning BYU. Love BYU. We can do better.
jomo
6/30/16 11:50am
Keep up name calling. You've already conceded that you didn't have numbers to
TaiJuan
6/30/16 11:46am
Name calling? Wow, what reality distortion field are you living in?
jomo
6/30/16 12:12pm
Let me talk to you about facts. The only trend that actually indicates a
TaiJuan
6/30/16 12:48pm
Finally a reasonable response...
jomo
6/30/16 12:54pm
OK. I gave you some very credible data for the last 5 years. I invited you to
TaiJuan
6/30/16 1:02pm
Ah, so you just want to nitpick at a tertiary point...
jomo
6/30/16 1:21pm
It's not turnabout. It's called burden shifting. You made a proposition. I asked
TaiJuan
6/30/16 1:46pm
What do you propose? Because if you have nothing to add, you should keep quiet
Dissenter
6/30/16 12:38pm
Read your own advice... follow... repeat
jomo
6/30/16 12:55pm
Jeez man, you are on one.
Dissenter
6/30/16 12:58pm
Why, because of how easy it is to show you are out to lunch?
Bob Vance
6/30/16 1:10pm
The inconvenient truth...
kcca
6/30/16 1:16pm
An unfortunate opinion.. I'll call your thinktank and raise you a supreme court
jomo
6/30/16 1:36pm
This is great... I give you conclusions drawn from actual data/research
kcca
6/30/16 3:21pm
Whats funny, is he uses the Supreme Court...
Dissenter
6/30/16 4:41pm
You've obviously never read Supreme Court decisions on social issues
jomo
7/1/16 10:49am
Valid point, but don't mistake think-tanks for science
jomo
7/1/16 10:48am
I agree, be skeptical of them, be skeptical of peer reviewed material.
kcca
7/1/16 12:49pm
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