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Nov 22, 2017
3:51:12pm
icecougar All-American
There's no myth about Crowton's recruiting...
...and it doesn't matter if the higher rated guys didn't pan out while the lower rated guys did, they were all recruited by CRowton. Look at some of the offensive talent in the 2 deep in place for Bronco when he took over, he had:

John Beck QB (a junior, exp QB who was entering his 3rd year as a starter. A future 2nd round NFL draft pick)
Fau Tahi RB (a senior, future NFL RB *a Lavell recruit)
Curtis Brown RB (a junior, BYU all-time great/career rushing leader when he left)
Manase Tonga RB ( FR, future NFL player)
Jonny Harline TE (Jr, one of the best ever at BYU, future NFL player)
Dan Coats TE (Jr, future NFL player)
Todd Watkins WR (Sr, future NFL player)
Dallas Reynolds OL (FR, 4 yr starter, future NFL player)
Ray Feinga OL (RS/FR, 2 deep as FR/3 yr starter, future NFL player)
Jake Kuresa OL (JR, 4 yr starter, Future NFL player)
Lance Reynolds C (SR, 2 yr starter, future NFL player)
Eddie Keele OL (JR, started as a soph/3 yr starter, future NFL player)

This list doesn't include other talented players already on the team that were redshirting or had played a season and left to serve a mission that returned and made major impacts in 2006 and beyond like: Austin Collie (NFL talent/BYU record breaker), Dennis Pitta (NFL talent/BYU record breaker/NCAA record breaker), RJ Willing (FR starter at LT in '04), Fui Vakapuna (played in 8 games as FR in '03, future NFL player), etc. This is just the talent on offense. His team in 2005 was primed and loaded for bear offensively and it wasn't because of him, he just had the great fortune of being the guy that followed the guy that did all the heavy lifting.

There isn't close (not by several orders of magnitude) to this kind of talent with experience on the team now and it's ludicrous to even suggest it.

As for the JC guys, yes Kurtz, Blackmon and Wesley (Fusi was too) were good players and they're the exception, not the rule. Getting an impact player from the JC ranks isn't a common occurance. For every one JC player that eventually contributes you sift through maybe 4-6 others who were major whiffs. Go back through and look at BYU rosters for the past 15 yrs or so and you'll see a small number of guys who contributed and maybe 3 times as many that never played or contributed much at all on the field.

Most of our good fortune with JC players in recent years was in the secondary with guys like Preston Hadley, Joe Sampson, Brian Logan, Justin Robinson, Rob Daniels, Ben Criddle, Andrew Rich, etc who were all starters at some point at BYU and good players (of varying degrees). Skill position players the list is a lot smaller, 2 of the guys you mentioned plus Todd Watkins in 2004, no QB's that earned the starting job since 1996, no major contributors at RB since the Crowton era, same with the TE position.

The list of JC guys who contributed little to nothing or never even surfaced/played at BYU is quite lengthy. We might find a gem here and there (Andrew Rich is one of my all time favs) but when you have major holes to plug all over your 2 deep you're not going to find much help from the JC ranks and it's disingenuous of posters to suggest things like Kalani should've gone the JC route to find 2-3 RB's, several WR's and TE's, and a QB who can all make a major impact, etc when every program in the country is scouring the JC ranks for immediate impact talent. Very few of them are going to come to BYU when they get offers also from P5 schools. We lost Garrett Bolles that way and he was a BYU legacy kid.

As for London's recruits playing for Bronco, you said Fieler doesn't even start when in fact he's started every game this year at either C or RG and he opened the season the year before as a starter. Kiser and Blanding both are real studs on defense, real team leaders. Kiser has 115 tackles so far wtih 5 sacks and 8 TFL's while Blanding has 104 tackles and 4 picks. Brown is a stud on the DL from the 2014 recruiting class with 37 tackles this year 3 sacks and 9 Tfl's. Team sack leader Chris Peace is also part of that 2014 recruiting class and he currently has 54 tackles 7.5 sacks and 10 tfl's.

London's last several recruiting classes were top 20's-30's (except 2015 which was in the 50's). Bronco's offense and defense is being carried by guys from those classes. We saw the same thing happen at BYU, he did really good when someone else did the heavy lifting with recruiting but when it fell on him the team slid.

This season might be Bronco's best year at UVA and he's likely going to finish 6-6 in the regular season. It was also a meh year in the ACC with fewer teams likely to make a bowl game this year compared to last. Next year several ACC teams will bounce back making the schedule even more difficult. Most of his major impact players will be gone after this year as his own recruits start to move up and fill the 2 deep. It's not like at BYU where he could get away with recruiting classes ranked in the 60's and still win 7-8 games because playing schedules ranked in the 60's-90's. Last season he went 2-10 in a conference where 11 of the 14 teams went bowling. Some of the teams that fell off this year will almost assuredly bounce back next season (Florida St, North Carolina, etc). They say history has a way of repeating itself and if Bronco saw his win totals at BYU fall off considerably after the previous coach's recruits left the system and he only had his own to work with that doesn't look good for next year and beyond at UVA.

As for Kalani, he has a lot of hard work and tough decisions to make. Every new coach has a learning curve and sometimes it's made easier when the previous coach left you a pipeline full of young and experienced future NFL talent. In Kalani's case he had some really good one year rentals who were gone after last season. How he operates in crisis will show what kind of a leader he is. So far he's not been showing a lot. This off-season he'll be under some heavy pressure to figure things out and make improvements on the field and in the coaching staff. Finding a talented player or two in the JC ranks would help but there's not enough talent there that BYu could recruit to solve all the problems left behind by the previous staff.
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Originally posted on Nov 22, 2017 at 3:51:12pm
Message modified by icecougar on Nov 22, 2017 at 7:35:06pm
Message modified by icecougar on Nov 22, 2017 at 7:43:49pm
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