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A Drew Aitch
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Football Head coaches in Texas are full time coaches employed by the school
They make really good money for education.
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Is daddy ball a common thing in high school baseball
Gigo
3/29/23 7:01am
I don’t live in utah but I know various examples of this being the case. Brighton and Davis are examples.
Cougstreak
3/29/23 7:08am
There wasn’t a better point guard on Brighton
conflictedcoug
3/29/23 7:17am
No idea, that was the rumor.
Cougstreak
3/29/23 8:50am
So the head coach let's the assistant coach call plays for his sons, to the
conflictedcoug
3/29/23 9:12am
Haha.
Cougstreak
3/29/23 9:21am
RE: Haha.
conflictedcoug
3/29/23 9:27am
You know more than I do about Brighton, no doubt. My point is Dad's should not coach for this exact reason...
Cougstreak
3/29/23 10:17am
That’s my thinking about it. Unless the dad’s kid is clearly better than all
Gigo
3/29/23 10:32am
Assistants do that stuff all the time. The head coaches want the kid(s) and
palangi
3/29/23 9:27am
Our local HS team played against Brighton the last two years. This parent/AC
Captain Stubing
3/29/23 10:42am
Good points.
Cougstreak
3/29/23 11:19am
I don't disagree that any parent who coaches is going to be subject to criticism
conflictedcoug
3/29/23 2:24pm
Again, not specific to Brighton IMO.
Cougstreak
3/29/23 4:13pm
I don’t know the head coach at Davis. I’m just trying to understand what to
Gigo
3/29/23 7:19am
It's all about the HC. High school sports are pretty much volunteer jobs
Corn Pop
3/29/23 7:16am
In Texas this would violate UIL rules and could put the team under risk of sanct
Saxa
3/29/23 7:18am
Wow, that would be awesome. Here (CO), it's nearly impossible to find coaches.
JJCoug
3/29/23 7:40am
Same here in Bama. In fact most practices are closed to parents.
ordinary tri guy
3/29/23 7:42am
I would bet that most Head Coach positions are part time employees in Utah.
Charles Darwin
3/29/23 7:55am
The coaches / teachers in Texas are paid pretty well and for most of them, the
Saxa
3/29/23 8:27am
They teach one class and are considered full time?
Charles Darwin
3/29/23 8:42am
yeah.. they are on campus and available in other roles (assisting in weight lift
Saxa
3/29/23 8:50am
That is sad. If they are qualified to teach and are fully utilized I am fine
Charles Darwin
3/29/23 9:03am
I couldn’t disagree more. Having quality and influential coaches is so valuable
palangi
3/29/23 9:15am
Agree with this, high school sports in Utah are so political
CameronG
3/29/23 9:22am
How many actually get that experience?
Charles Darwin
3/29/23 9:23am
A lot. The coaches also spend way more time with them than teachers or parents
palangi
3/29/23 9:36am
It’s also a reason why many parents want to coach, they get to be around their
palangi
3/29/23 9:38am
At most 400 kids participated in sports out of 2000 at my high school
Charles Darwin
3/29/23 9:38am
a teacher has about 100 students at a time that they spend roughly 4 hours/week
palangi
3/29/23 9:43am
A teacher in my district would have 230 to 250 students but I still don’t see
Charles Darwin
3/29/23 10:32am
I don’t think you quite understand the purpose of schools or how sports
palangi
3/29/23 11:05am
I think you like having the public pay for your hobby and the hobbies of your
Charles Darwin
3/29/23 11:09am
Nah. Look around you. Facilities are everywhere at schools and have been for
palangi
3/29/23 11:21am
I don't understand what you are trying to say in that last sentence
Charles Darwin
3/29/23 11:32am
HS sports don’t come close to paying for themselves yet every school has them
palangi
3/29/23 11:44am
I am friends with a former HS principal, he said the importance of HS sports
CameronG
3/29/23 11:53am
Does HS pride improve learning? Does it actually improve student well being?
Charles Darwin
3/29/23 12:03pm
HS pride can give you a sense of belonging and friends that share that with you
CameronG
3/29/23 12:22pm
Does it actually do that though? I am talking about some sort of actual data
Charles Darwin
3/29/23 12:36pm
I know plenty of kids who didn't play HS sports but went to games and had fun
CameronG
3/29/23 12:49pm
When you have actual evidence I will happy to consider it.
Charles Darwin
3/29/23 12:56pm
Do you really not believe sports help with the well being of students? It does not help with mental health?
Cougstreak
3/29/23 2:25pm
Feel free to show me the evidence that it helps non-participants at high schools
Charles Darwin
3/29/23 2:47pm
Feel free to show me it doesn't. 😉 I would love your views on what you recommend and your data to back this up?
Cougstreak
3/29/23 3:02pm
So the burden is on me to demonstrate a negative? Seems like the burden should
Charles Darwin
3/29/23 3:34pm
No one that seriously competes is going to want to play intramurals.
FT487
3/29/23 4:01pm
Lots of people got way more into other peoples games at BYU than I would
Charles Darwin
3/29/23 4:12pm
And many of those same people go to school sponsored games along with the many
FT487
3/29/23 5:00pm
We are not going to agree. Feel free to move on. I am not going to send data, I have better things to do.
Cougstreak
3/29/23 4:02pm
Been going to games since 1994. I don’t see the relevance
Charles Darwin
3/29/23 4:09pm
You missed the point.
Cougstreak
3/29/23 7:07pm
It also makes a LOT of money
Charles Darwin
3/29/23 7:15pm
And why are those college players good? Because they are some of the best and
FT487
3/29/23 10:34pm
Somehow European sports manages to still produce elite athletes. They are
Charles Darwin
3/30/23 1:40am
FYI, the European model has less kids participating. This all stems from
FT487
3/30/23 8:24am
So BYU students get nothing from BYU football? No change to their college experience?
Cougstreak
3/30/23 5:23am
Do you think it impacts learning at BYU? If anything the focus and attention I
Charles Darwin
3/30/23 5:31am
Are you for real?
Cougstreak
3/30/23 8:29am
You are so disingenuous. Did I ever say college students don't need to
Charles Darwin
3/30/23 8:50am
Am I. Sports teach many lessons for life, part of the school experience.
Cougstreak
3/30/23 9:02am
Do you think the benefits of sport would go away if it wasn't the best of the
Charles Darwin
3/30/23 10:04am
Generally…
Cougstreak
3/30/23 10:18am
I never said anything about being fair. How do participants benefit from sports?
Charles Darwin
3/30/23 10:30am
Benefits a lot more than any other activity. No doubt.
Cougstreak
3/30/23 10:46am
No question a strong athletic program helps the entire school.
FT487
3/29/23 3:18pm
I don’t think I said it wouldn’t benefit the participants. I think it would
Charles Darwin
3/29/23 3:30pm
Apparently, you didn't read what I said. I not only talked about
FT487
3/29/23 3:57pm
The vast majority of what you wrote addressed the benefits to the athlete
Charles Darwin
3/29/23 4:01pm
Yup and I could go on with stories of a downs kid on my team
FT487
3/29/23 4:42pm
Im glad your program benefits those players and you try and expand those benefit
Charles Darwin
3/29/23 5:13pm
Once again you don't get it. The entire school benefited from it.
FT487
3/29/23 7:03pm
How would you know that it made a measurable impact on the student body? What
Charles Darwin
3/29/23 7:19pm
IDK, people in and out of the school telling me it did, my own eyes, numerous
FT487
3/29/23 9:45pm
None of that seems quantifiable
Charles Darwin
3/30/23 1:41am
then it doesn't matter what I say you will keep believing in fantasy land
FT487
3/30/23 8:34am
Where did I say anyone deserves a trophy? We are helping kids become successful
Charles Darwin
3/30/23 10:29am
I've come to the conclusion you can't be for real. The laughing has
FT487
3/30/23 11:25am
You got angry because someone had a different opinion about the way school
Charles Darwin
3/30/23 11:58am
I didn't know you were sitting next to me because you would have seen this
FT487
3/30/23 12:40pm
He is not going to back down on his point or have any give. Best to move on.
Cougstreak
3/29/23 4:03pm
You did ask if HS sports improve their well-being and we've given you ample
CameronG
3/29/23 5:04pm
I don't believe I did for the participants. If it seemed that I did that was not
Charles Darwin
3/29/23 5:10pm
Give an example? No, intramural sports do not impact the student body the same way
Cougstreak
3/29/23 7:09pm
I think it could. My local elementary school has competitions throughout
Charles Darwin
3/29/23 7:22pm
You are seriously equating elementary schools to high schools?
FT487
3/29/23 10:28pm
So we are back to make everyone pay for my hobby
Charles Darwin
3/30/23 1:37am
So cancel theater if all kids don’t get a chance to be the lead?
Cougstreak
3/30/23 5:27am
Is that a fair interpretation of what I said? They add parts to the plays all
Charles Darwin
3/30/23 5:39am
I just did a survey in a couple of my classes (history, Spanish), sample size 43
FT487
3/30/23 9:35am
Now do a survey to see if they should all get A's
Charles Darwin
3/30/23 10:12am
About 6 kids are absent. I think they might be at band concert or with drama at
FT487
3/30/23 11:19am
I take it you were cut and couldn't hack it.
FT487
3/30/23 8:39am
Ha, I played football and never got cut but I was definitely a hack
Charles Darwin
3/30/23 10:23am
Wasn't anything personal. It just is what it is couldn't hack it.
FT487
3/30/23 11:46am
Childish. Get back to work coach
Charles Darwin
3/30/23 11:53am
RE: Childish. Get back to work coach
FT487
3/30/23 12:43pm
Not everyone wants to play, in fact most don't
CameronG
3/30/23 9:37am
In my experience those that don't like to play sports typically don't like to
Charles Darwin
3/30/23 10:31am
and they can go play rec or church. Start your own
FT487
3/30/23 11:48am
My local middle school offers after school pickle ball and before school archery
Charles Darwin
3/30/23 11:56am
who's getting mad again? haha. BTW, you don't have a clue how I treat and
FT487
3/30/23 12:41pm
So let them play pickleball. No one is against that.
Cougstreak
3/30/23 1:00pm
How many more would want to participate in basketball? It is the best sport
Charles Darwin
3/30/23 1:22pm
Let them play rec basketball and have an A team…ie the HS team. Is that not “equal” or “fair”.
Cougstreak
3/30/23 1:40pm
You keep bringing up equal and fair. I never said this was about that
Charles Darwin
3/30/23 1:47pm
Do the best athletes need a band and cheerleaders and to have exclusive rights
Charles Darwin
3/30/23 1:57pm
I can see it now. Cheerleaders and the band show up and play the school
FT487
3/30/23 2:19pm
They had a few hundred show up to the final competition. No band.
Charles Darwin
3/30/23 2:32pm
Dang strait!
FT487
3/30/23 2:36pm
Strait?
Charles Darwin
3/30/23 3:29pm
RE: Strait?
FT487
3/30/23 3:41pm
Ha, can't tell if he is serious. Archery being a sport to benefit the whole crowd. It would be a be a packed house.
Cougstreak
3/30/23 6:29pm
Really depends on the size of the school and the level of interest
Charles Darwin
3/30/23 6:39pm
RE: Ha, can't tell if he is serious. Archery being a sport to benefit the whole
FT487
3/30/23 8:02pm
You brought up college sports for some reason so I addressed that
Charles Darwin
3/29/23 12:07pm
Had a parent who coached H.S. volleyball and was retiring tell me
ordinary tri guy
3/29/23 9:19am
That doesn’t bother me, quality hs coaches are more valuable than d2 imo. Not
palangi
3/29/23 9:22am
My bet is he probably made more than most D1 schools also.
ordinary tri guy
3/29/23 9:24am
They would've had a club or included teaching salary in that. I highly doubt
FT487
3/29/23 11:00am
Lol...there are HS football coaches making $120k here.
ordinary tri guy
3/29/23 11:39am
Just there stipen?
FT487
3/29/23 1:22pm
Utah HS volleyball coaches were making $8k like five years ago and assistants were making $5k a year
RealTaysomHill
3/30/23 9:12am
I know it varies in Idaho from district to district. Head basketball coach in
FT487
3/30/23 9:32am
Yep. I coached JV volleyball for two seasons in southern Idaho and made $2,800 per season
RealTaysomHill
3/30/23 11:31am
Coaches can be paid more through donors, ie parents, to keep key coaches and staff.
Cougstreak
3/29/23 8:21am
hmm.. not sure if that has changed recently.. but I formed and was President of
Saxa
3/29/23 8:47am
Not an expert at all. I know in the DFW area some coaches got paid through some donor pools to retain them.
Cougstreak
3/29/23 8:51am
They can donate to the athletic program and that money can be used for coaches
A Drew Aitch
3/29/23 8:56am
What the freak? A high school coach HAS to be a full time employee of the...
COACHdrn
3/29/23 8:35am
Yep, you read it correctly.. though many coaches only teach the athletic class
Saxa
3/29/23 8:48am
That doesn’t seem like a full time employee. I teach an athletic class but…
COACHdrn
3/29/23 8:51am
Football Head coaches in Texas are full time coaches employed by the school
A Drew Aitch
3/29/23 8:58am
Utah high school sports is all about daddy ball.
ThreatLevelMidnight
3/29/23 7:48am
Daddy ball starts well before high school
cougarbart
3/29/23 8:01am
Yeah. Couple things. First, it’s hard for 1-2 guys to run even a decent little
RevolutionDeathsquad
3/29/23 8:30am
This 100%
COUGND
3/29/23 9:01am
But you hope it would end come high school.
ThreatLevelMidnight
3/29/23 9:12am
Obviously it doesn’t work for someone who sucks
cougarbart
3/29/23 12:07pm
I’d be surprised if it wasn’t common. Basketball is the worst imo, football next
palangi
3/29/23 8:03am
Our sophomore football team has 70 players and 2 coaches. Coach needs to
Plato
3/29/23 8:52am
if dads are involved the kids that are average have a chance to be better...
CougarBuddy
3/29/23 8:09am
It happened at Jordan 25 years ago. Sometimes it is a good thing but backfired….
jetycns
3/29/23 8:12am
We have a football coach who has a rule about dad’s helping out
Medute
3/29/23 8:30am
It’s that way in most sports at many many high schools in Utah.
pink22
3/29/23 8:43am
Parent helpers are only allowed if they are UHSAA certified coaches
cougarstrong
3/29/23 9:02am
This certification is a HUGE deterrent. It takes a ton of time and effort.
doctorcoug
3/29/23 10:36pm
I’m pretty sure none of these dads did the certification.
Gigo
3/30/23 6:39am
UHSAA fines the AD if they aren't complete. Assistant coaches must be registered with UHSAA and if not, they aren't
doctorcoug
3/30/23 10:24am
I don't have a problem with dads helping w/ HS baseball so long as . . .
El Paso Coug
3/29/23 9:24am
RE: I don't have a problem with dads helping w/ HS baseball so long as . . .
jetycns
3/29/23 9:31am
But then who scores the games on GameChanger?
Gigo
3/29/23 9:53am
As I stated in my post, I always disregard errors in scoring youth baseball
El Paso Coug
3/29/23 2:23pm
I agree on this. Let the numbers drive the playing time. However, as
FT487
3/29/23 10:19am
No walks? BB is the BEST way to generate runs. Trying to not get walked is like trying to not win. I want my players to
doctorcoug
3/29/23 10:34pm
Are their kids better and are those dad's buddies with the coach?
FT487
3/29/23 10:11am
yes its a big thing at Lehi HS and Skyridge HS
BYU Grounds
3/29/23 11:21am
For baseball at Lehi and Skyridge?
conflictedcoug
3/29/23 2:27pm
Yes baseball
BYU Grounds
3/30/23 2:53pm
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FT487
3/29/23 3:25pm
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