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Josef K
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Meh. Conservative groups set up tables near Sather Gate at Cal every
single day school is in session. 99 percent of the time there are no issues.
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POLL: Which of these universities is least tolerant of others' beliefs?
chilango
8/10/18 6:47am
unfortunately it is BYU in a landslide
BlueFrog
8/10/18 6:49am
That’s absurd. All have areas that are off limits. BYU just has a
gwalker
8/10/18 7:20am
what beliefs get you kicked out of Berkeley? Which ones at BYU?
BlueFrog
8/10/18 7:23am
Conservatism
pegushin
8/10/18 7:42am
I know several life-long conservatives who went to Berkeley and graduated.
Jurisprudence
8/10/18 8:24am
Likely had to hide it/ be in the closet
pegushin
8/10/18 8:39am
BYU undergrad who went to grad school at Berkeley
thejimmer
8/10/18 9:46am
Wulp, they needed someone to mock and make fun of
Borg
8/10/18 2:39pm
I work with a number of them.
chilango
8/10/18 10:45am
were they the types to keep their heads down and not rock the boat or were they.
icecougar
8/10/18 1:45pm
The question is about beliefs, not activities.
jkccoug
8/10/18 4:36pm
When I graduated, Obama was the commencement speaker. It was right after he had
Extra Biscuits
8/10/18 10:09am
That's ridiculous
chazen
8/10/18 3:46pm
I really take exception with how you ask that. Clearly it’s. BYU because of the way you phrased the question. Yet BYU
SouthernBlueBlood
8/10/18 6:50am
Yet so far, the majority of respondents have not selected BYU. In any case, what
chilango
8/10/18 6:55am
BYU also doesn't bill itself as the center of free speech like Berkley does. Yet
Dynasty1
8/10/18 7:03am
Since Free Speech is not accepted at BYU & everyone dresses, looks, & thinks the
U2wearblue
8/11/18 8:48am
This is such a false narrative. This kinda thinking gets old.
Beetdiggercoug
8/11/18 5:33pm
I think BYU's positions differ more from societal 'norms' than Cal or Stanford
unctoothman
8/10/18 7:03am
No one gets kicked out of Berkeley for their views
AxelDC
8/10/18 7:12am
Point out when a BYU student Got expelled for beliefs alone... that doesn’t
Pretorian
8/10/18 7:30am
Exactly my reasoning.
unctoothman
8/10/18 8:57am
well put, the teacher is intolerant for failing a kid for cheating... perfect.
Pretorian
8/10/18 10:38am
RE: Point out when a BYU student Got expelled for beliefs alone... that
chilango
8/10/18 11:06am
Which of the "September Six" were BYU students when that happened?
CougarThug
8/10/18 12:14pm
Maybe you missed the sentence in my post that says: "Not students, but some of
chilango
8/10/18 12:24pm
Well professors and students are quite different and from what I can see
Pretorian
8/10/18 12:48pm
When discussing intolerance, I'm not sure why students would matter any more
chilango
8/10/18 1:48pm
This discussion boils down to the rights (if any) of private institutions...
Pretorian
8/10/18 2:05pm
I don't disagree with anything you wrote, but the fact that an institution is
chilango
8/10/18 9:57pm
If I change my religious beliefs from anything other than Mormonism I get booted
Jezza
8/10/18 11:53am
This has been hashed out a billion times here. Ecclesiastical endorsements
Jay Rick
8/10/18 5:49pm
It’s been hashed out bc you said so? I disagree. I was there not what I saw
Pretorian
8/10/18 5:52pm
It’s not hashed because I said so. It’s hashed out because it’s bees discussed
Jay Rick
8/10/18 10:19pm
Ok, hashed out..... I have not doubt you're right it's been heavily discussed
Pretorian
8/12/18 6:56pm
No one?
shatter2
8/10/18 9:23am
It is not getting kicked out for your beliefs, it is based upon acting according
BYU I Bleed Blue
8/10/18 9:25am
A Stanford one:
shatter2
8/10/18 9:29am
As public universities, I do not believe Cal and Stanford have the legal right
here's to hoping
8/10/18 9:58am
Stanford is not a public university. It is private, similar to BYU.
Greg Kite's 'stache
8/10/18 10:23am
I stand corrected. Thanks. It doesn't change my point about Cal.
here's to hoping
8/10/18 1:20pm
But what about conservative speakers who are prevented from speaking.
JmThms
8/10/18 11:13am
Link? Unless you're talking about white supremacists?
chilango
8/10/18 11:21am
The problem is that everyone that is against open borders is labeled
Dynasty1
8/10/18 12:08pm
That is a ludicrous claim
Jezza
8/10/18 12:11pm
Not only is it not “ludicrous” it is barely an exaggeration...
CoachSpeak
8/10/18 12:18pm
...
Jezza
8/10/18 12:24pm
Link?
chilango
8/10/18 12:29pm
He would have to provide tons of links to back that up. The fact
Jezza
8/10/18 12:32pm
You really need a link to know that....
CoachSpeak
8/10/18 1:25pm
Your continued evasion tells me you got nothin’. Amiright?
chilango
8/10/18 9:36pm
Nope...
CoachSpeak
8/10/18 10:32pm
You might have noticed that as a non-donor I don’t have access to the political
chilango
8/11/18 5:25am
I'm talking about actual white supremacists, such as Richard Spencer who was
chilango
8/10/18 12:29pm
So it took a lawsuit on his part for them to allow him to speak?
CoachSpeak
8/10/18 1:15pm
Yes, the universities involved (not Cal or Stanford, to my knowledge, but
chilango
8/10/18 9:28pm
Hmmm.......
CoachSpeak
8/10/18 10:33pm
Is Ben Shapiro a white supremacist?
CoachSpeak
8/10/18 12:16pm
I don't know who that is. Are you saying he wanted to speak at Berkeley and they
chilango
8/10/18 12:27pm
You don’t know who Ben Shapiro is??
SactOWNit
8/10/18 12:40pm
I don't think Chilango watches Fox News. Or hangs out with any conservative
JmThms
8/10/18 2:12pm
I don’t watch Fox News either...
CoachSpeak
8/10/18 3:07pm
You don't know who Ben Shapiro is?
CoachSpeak
8/10/18 1:21pm
we all have blind spots, no need to make person attacks, I didn't know stanford
here's to hoping
8/10/18 2:20pm
That’s what I said. I think I vaguely recognize the name, maybe, but have no
chilango
8/10/18 9:33pm
Antifa groups at Berkeley think that physically attacking conservatives is a
AF Cougar
8/10/18 1:09pm
link
here's to hoping
8/10/18 1:55pm
Thanks, this is much more helpful, and accurate, than the nonsense posted above
chilango
8/10/18 9:38pm
No, just publicly ridiculed and ostracized for sharing them honestly.
zonacougar
8/10/18 11:25am
And no one ever gets socially ostracized at BYU for expressing unpopular
Jay Rick
8/10/18 5:51pm
Oh gosh. The ignorance displayed on this board.
chazen
8/10/18 3:51pm
Cal doesn’t have beliefs. Neither does Stanford.
mikecito
8/10/18 7:03am
Yep, difference is that Cal and Stanford may choose not to collaborate
GoodUte
8/10/18 7:13am
False, completely false....
CoachSpeak
8/10/18 9:44am
Read the post again bro
GoodUte
8/10/18 3:09pm
I read it, it’s still false...
CoachSpeak
8/10/18 4:32pm
Your rebuttal was 100% in agreement with what I posted.
GoodUte
8/10/18 10:27pm
You cannot laud UC and Stanford for not discriminating who attends, since they
here's to hoping
8/10/18 10:06am
Wrong. BYU does not “limit attendance based on active sexual orientation!”
Lolo
8/10/18 7:15am
That’s not true
mikecito
8/10/18 7:19am
Fair enough, but abiding by the Law of Chasity, and not permitting attendance
Lolo
8/10/18 7:25am
Which gives me an honest question... why would anyone want to go to or try to go
Pretorian
8/10/18 7:38am
That is a good question
mikecito
8/10/18 7:44am
That is all well and good but if you want BYU, there is an HC
Pretorian
8/10/18 7:49am
This is blatantly false. The HC and church standards explicitly forbid
Jezza
8/10/18 11:55am
What is “non sexual gay activity”?
CoachSpeak
8/11/18 10:48am
Going on a date. Holding hands. Etc.
Jay Rick
8/11/18 10:57am
All are preludes to sex....
CoachSpeak
8/11/18 11:09am
You also wouldn't be able to get an ecclesiastical endorsement if you expressed
Jay Rick
8/10/18 5:55pm
This scenario is stupid... in this case it is extremely likely this person only
Pretorian
8/10/18 9:09pm
Um... disagreeing with the church on a topic doesn’t make a person evil
mikecito
8/10/18 9:17pm
Never did I say that disagreeing with the church makes you evil
Pretorian
8/10/18 9:58pm
Uh…
Jay Rick
8/10/18 10:17pm
ok, ok... it seems clear you and I are hashing out the extremes when there is a
Pretorian
8/12/18 8:05pm
Thumbs up. Totally.
Jay Rick
8/12/18 9:00pm
BYU was the school that didn't allow blacks
AxelDC
8/10/18 7:15am
Wait-timeout here. There was never a “ban on blacks at BYU”
Greg Kite's 'stache
8/10/18 7:40am
I think that is what Axel was referring to but good to clarify.
mikecito
8/10/18 7:44am
Have you ever said anything positive about BYU or the Church?
Carnac
8/10/18 8:02am
That was meant for Axels comment, right?
pegushin
8/10/18 8:07am
Yes. Sorry.
Carnac
8/10/18 8:10am
This is correct. There was never a black ban at BYU. That's an absurd claim.
macdizzle
8/10/18 12:58pm
Because no other schools ever discriminated blacks...
Pretorian
8/10/18 7:46am
mfw BYU 'discriminated' against blacks
Dissenter
8/10/18 8:03am
Excellent troll...but I bet you are intolerant of others.
Beetdiggercoug
8/10/18 9:08am
Not true at all
Chet Donnelly
8/10/18 9:22am
When did BYU not allow blacks?
CoachSpeak
8/10/18 9:48am
Unless you're a Republican, Mormon, and straight. Then they care a lot.
IronPotato
8/10/18 8:55am
BYU has the luxury of requiring limitations on their students because it is a
here's to hoping
8/10/18 10:01am
been said a few times above, but Stanford is a private school.
Jay Rick
8/10/18 5:57pm
The one that doesn’t believe in free speech
kcca
8/10/18 7:50am
It looks like Cal allows the LDS student association
coolcats
8/10/18 7:57am
When I was at BYU there was group for LGB. The president of the group spoke in
BYUtka
8/10/18 8:04am
I have heard one exists
coolcats
8/10/18 8:09am
Well here is some info about it
mikecito
8/10/18 8:18am
I imagine that BYU as a private university is wary of allowing such an
here's to hoping
8/10/18 10:19am
You are wrong about the LGBT at BYU. FWIW.
jkccoug
8/10/18 4:39pm
Having considerable spent time on all 3 campuses
Bucko
8/10/18 8:25am
Yep.
PJMort
8/10/18 9:53am
Of course it includes both religion and LGBT. Along with race, social mores,
chilango
8/10/18 10:50am
My question was more of is LGBT "a belief"?
Bucko
8/10/18 5:18pm
Some believe that same-sex marriage is OK. And some believe that sexual
chilango
8/10/18 10:05pm
Inside the classroom or inside the dorms?
Shore10
8/10/18 9:16pm
This is idiotic
SliqRic
8/10/18 8:26am
It’s California and it’s not close
2FarGone
8/10/18 8:32am
Why isn't Utah on this list? They are the most anti-Mormon university by far
BlooCoog
8/10/18 9:08am
I've been to BYU games against both schools in Provo and at their stadiums as well.
SpiffCoug
8/10/18 9:08am
This is a no win poll.
Refugee
8/10/18 9:20am
Depends on who you ask
Byu_1988
8/10/18 9:25am
Trying to understand what CBers consider to be tolerant or intolerant, given the
chilango
8/10/18 10:52am
It depends on the audience. If we're talking about students, it is BYU.
macdizzle
8/10/18 9:26am
Woah! You think BYU students are more opposed to people's beliefs?!
2FarGone
8/10/18 10:11am
I could be wrong, but I think macdizzle meant intolerance of the university in
here's to hoping
8/10/18 10:25am
Yes this is what I meant
macdizzle
8/10/18 11:03am
Most BYU students are pretty tolerant because they've always been around others
j20
8/10/18 9:53am
No clue. SPORTS: I think Cal was most opposed to BYU joining the PAC the past.
Benfica1
8/10/18 9:56am
Ask yourself this question:
CrimsonCardinal
8/10/18 10:24am
Perfect example
Pretorian
8/10/18 10:46am
I'm guessing the school at which this event was held was not BYU. Has such an
chilango
8/10/18 10:55am
Not BYU. I'd be amazed if there were any problems at BYU for this.
CrimsonCardinal
8/10/18 12:41pm
Unless things have changed significantly since I was there, I would be amazed if
chilango
8/10/18 10:08pm
Meh. Conservative groups set up tables near Sather Gate at Cal every
Josef K
8/10/18 11:25am
They put up with "conservative" in the abstract just fine.
CrimsonCardinal
8/10/18 12:43pm
LOL. Try setting up hollocost is fake table in Brooklyn and see how it goes
Josef K
8/10/18 12:57pm
Well. One of those opinions is at least close to accurate.
boogers
8/10/18 1:03pm
You think "abortion is murder" is an intolerant statement? And your comparison
here's to hoping
8/10/18 2:10pm
No, it’s not objectively true. The church does consider it murder, the law
Josef K
8/10/18 2:33pm
Abortion is murder... PERIOD
bluecougar1985
8/11/18 8:06am
If it’s murder, why is it okay if I’m raped?
Jay Rick
8/11/18 11:02am
That actually isn’t what it says...
CoachSpeak
8/11/18 11:13am
That actually almost exactly what the handbook says.
Jay Rick
8/11/18 3:33pm
No. It’s not.
Josef K
8/12/18 1:00am
Nope...
CoachSpeak
8/10/18 3:12pm
Regarding Cal, it depends whether you are referring to the administration, the
Josef K
8/10/18 11:29am
I think this is probably a pretty accurate view.
chilango
8/10/18 12:33pm
Very well put. And really gets at the point. People always point out that there
Jay Rick
8/10/18 10:29pm
LOL. The result of this poll is pathetic 😂
Jezza
8/10/18 11:49am
Umm al-Qura University probably wins hands down
CougarThug
8/10/18 12:04pm
Define Intolerance....Does publicly mocking another group represent intolerance?
OBXCougar
8/10/18 2:19pm
I think it can include all of those things. However, not every type of
chilango
8/10/18 10:21pm
That’s being a bit naive isn’t it?
StalwartBraveTrue
8/10/18 11:56pm
So in your opinion, which elementary school is more intolerant: the one that
chilango
8/11/18 5:16am
You are missing the point.
StalwartBraveTrue
8/11/18 7:47am
I'm not missing that point. I just disagree with you. Both are repulsive, for
chilango
8/11/18 8:00am
I guess I’m missing your point...which is?
StalwartBraveTrue
8/11/18 9:52am
I would phrase it differently: some types of intolerance are more destructive
chilango
8/11/18 10:47am
Certainly. But is the point of the poll to establish
StalwartBraveTrue
8/11/18 11:34am
Actually, it was to understand how CBers perceive intolerance on a relative
chilango
8/11/18 4:53pm
The ones that have violent riots when a speaker comes to campus and whose bands
Abe Froman
8/10/18 2:22pm
Two cents
Srg
8/10/18 3:38pm
Most Berkeley students are very nice
CougarWildcat
8/10/18 4:13pm
Are you talking about views of those in other campuses or
Stalwart Man
8/10/18 6:11pm
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