very wide middle ground I think we can both settle on.

First of all the scenario you listed in your second point is something I totally agree is very likely and I too know it happens. I completely agree that that person must be able to finish their degree. I don't care if they decided they are gay or if they no longer wanted to be a member of the church... they should be able finish despite their change in thoughts or BELIEFS. I think if they leave the church it would be justified to charge them the non-member fee and allow them to get the EE from another source but none the less they should be accommodated to a degree. The thing that is hard to separate here is the unpaid clergy of bishops who give the EEs. Most are very good but some are lame zoobies who need a kick in the crotch. My wife and I went "inactive" in our couples ward at the Y bc we couldn't' stand our ward.. fortunately we both worked at the hospital and "somehow" ended up with Sunday shifts each Sunday...

However, this changes if their BEHAVIOR changes. If they start to break the HC they can now be justifiably turned away. There is nothing wrong with thinking differently or challenging the establishment in a respectful constructive way but they have signed the HC. There are consequences to breaking the HC which are not secrete at all. If they cannot keep the HC then they can transfer. I have little sympathy here bc my friends from HS learned to drink and smoke weed while attending the Y and never go suspended or anything. You're either being stupid and got caught or you think you're above the rules if you get caught most of the time. Yes, some are very stupid. I nearly got suspended for going back and getting my, soon to be, wife's keys for her her room which was empty at the time. All thanks to her ridiculous roommate from Cali.

The environment I was talking about avoiding in my original post is one of aggression, disrespect, and malice not one where students can challenge traditional ideas and stand on their own. Anyone who is "vehemently" against key principles like sexual orientation or the church itself probably doesn't belong at the Y, why torture themselves? Unless they have an ax to grind and want to cause trouble.

I remember walking from class to class where different groups would stand on a "SOAP BOX" calling out their grievances, successes, epiphanies etc. Sometimes people would gather around and listen sometimes people stood alone shouting while the rest of us just walked by. I remember listening to a someone from a female athletic program talk about how title 9 was not being followed. There was a decent amount of us that gathered around to listen and some of us ended up sighing their partition. I remember another dude talking about the leadership of the church negatively and was eventually taken away by campus security because he was dropping F bombs and the like. I saw him back at it a few weeks later with a much cleaner tongue not sure how long he was there but he was not taken away that time from what I could see. These people were challenging thoughts and ideals that were not friendly to BYU and I thought it was fine. It wasn't uncommon and it was allowed.

I have absolutely no doubt there have been people turned away that should not have but I do not believe that is the norm. BYU is not good at following the "spirit of the law" but they are very good at making clear what the law is. There is much to be improved at the Y and in Mormon culture in general regarding being more supportive of others. Since I've moved from Utah I associate a great deal with neighbors and coworkers who drink which is punctually much more likely to be harmful to others than anything LGBT but there is a mutual respect and relationship we can all have despite our thinking differently. I don't see why a similar shared grown can't be developed with LGBT.

I don't think BYU will ever not be under fire for being different in their traditional ways and I'm very glad for that, I just hope the school, church, and members in general can always be more cordial and respectful to those that think differently. They have their agency and every singly right to use it.