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Per capita Utah HS sports are very high performing
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Utah competition level is crippling BYU athletics
pajamallama
1/21/19 6:30pm
To be fair, the LP3 were nationally well regarded. But yes, you are right. And in the spirit of this, I think the
Ragnar Danneskjold
1/21/19 6:33pm
RE: To be fair, the LP3 were nationally well regarded. But yes, you are right.
pajamallama
1/21/19 6:46pm
Wait, you're saying TJ Haws and Eric Mika were just above average players?
game.blouses
1/21/19 7:36pm
I'd say Mika was closer to being a superstar,
pajamallama
1/21/19 8:03pm
That's weird, in high school Mika was the least superstar of the three
game.blouses
1/21/19 8:39pm
Mika had the biggest upside due to his athleticism and size. Maybe he wasn't
pajamallama
1/21/19 8:52pm
WRONG...Mika had superstar written all over him in high school so did TJ Haws
richvan
1/21/19 10:27pm
You keep referencing accolades they had, which is the problem I'm addressing.
pajamallama
1/22/19 2:52pm
They've all been First-team all conference players. That's not nothing.
game.blouses
1/22/19 6:25pm
What? This logic is flawed! Sorry 😐
jpal1397
1/21/19 8:08pm
<< Deleted >>
pajamallama
1/21/19 8:10pm
Maybe you're right, but at the end of the day
pajamallama
1/21/19 8:20pm
Tyler Haws is the top leading scorer in BYU history and he was from LP
richvan
1/21/19 10:34pm
Utah HS Competition is still very good and produces some good D1 talent
richvan
1/21/19 10:53pm
Utah has great HS basketball for its population size.
boscatar
1/22/19 2:04pm
But none of them made it in the NBA.... What I'm getting at is, I fear players
pajamallama
1/22/19 2:44pm
Frank Jackson is currently in the NBA
mcnasty
1/22/19 3:24pm
Travis Hansen, Brandon Davies, Kyle Collinsworth
palangi
1/22/19 3:32pm
I got crucified for saying the LP3 wouldn’t do anything significant at BYU
1984coug
1/21/19 8:00pm
They played and beat the best teams in the country on the road!
jpal1397
1/21/19 8:12pm
Provo did the same thing in the late 90s. Great team basketball in Utah. I do
ataylor
1/21/19 8:28pm
I liken that to underdogs in March madness... they may win a few come tournament
1984coug
1/21/19 8:38pm
Haha! I grew up in Indiana - outside Gary and East Chicago
truecougster
1/21/19 10:25pm
This isn't new at all. And the level of competition in Utah is only getting
JAGA97
1/21/19 6:35pm
What are you talking about? There has been youth tackle football in Utah for
Jdoc
1/21/19 6:48pm
How old were you? And how many cities had tackle football? My point stands that
JAGA97
1/21/19 6:57pm
I agree with your premise, but the Wasatch Front has had youth
Jdoc
1/21/19 7:01pm
This. I played tackle football in the 80’s while in elementary school.
Cougstreak
1/21/19 8:02pm
In Utah County in the 80s there was no tackle FB until 7th grade
mcnasty
1/22/19 9:32am
It even didn't have it till like the late 90's when it became available for 5th
Coug Man in Florida
1/22/19 10:27am
Wow, glad I did not grow up in Utah County.
Cougstreak
1/23/19 9:54am
There was in Salt Lake County but not Utah County...
CoachSpeak
1/22/19 9:55am
My boys played Ute conference football in the 90's
MIT
1/22/19 4:32am
I played as a 10 yr old in the late 70s in the Kearns area.
Accipiter
1/21/19 7:02pm
Not sure where you are, but we had LL tackle football in the 80's in Davis Co.
Blue for Life
1/21/19 9:10pm
RE: Utah competition level is crippling BYU athletics
Cabadapeste
1/21/19 6:36pm
The current NFL players who played this weekend
DrBYU
1/21/19 6:40pm
RE: The current NFL players who played this weekend
pajamallama
1/21/19 6:47pm
My bad, I thought Sorensen was a Utah HS players
DrBYU
1/21/19 6:53pm
It is a very Utah last name
pajamallama
1/21/19 7:50pm
Steve Young played HS ball in Connecticut
4th and Niner
1/21/19 6:45pm
Other than that? Steve Young has nothing to do with his argument. He didn't say
Kerbouchard
1/21/19 7:17pm
And yet small town athletes become pro athletes at much higher rates than they
Odysseus
1/21/19 7:21pm
Link
Odysseus
1/21/19 7:22pm
years ago, when I was a junior in HS, my HS in the Bay Area won the CCS
BYURider
1/21/19 6:47pm
The largest classification HS in Utah now are close to 3000 student schools...
CoachSpeak
1/21/19 7:01pm
Great, there's still WAY more schools in CA than Utah, therefore winning a state
Kerbouchard
1/21/19 7:20pm
I said that exact thing...
CoachSpeak
1/21/19 7:40pm
Of course it's harder to win a state championship in CA, that's not really the
palangi
1/21/19 9:58pm
You were pre-Craig Drury........
mokelembembe
1/21/19 7:22pm
He was there when Jim spencer was the coach...
CoachSpeak
1/21/19 7:52pm
They had some memorabilia in the awards case from those teams......
mokelembembe
1/21/19 9:57pm
No doubt about that, it is tough to see....
CoachSpeak
1/22/19 8:39am
It hasn't been the same since they changed the Provo boundaries
mcnasty
1/22/19 9:43am
It has also become somewhat of an inner city school....
CoachSpeak
1/22/19 10:04am
The new location will help because of the west side growth in Provo and Vineyard
palangi
1/22/19 11:16am
Spot on. I think Provo's demographics are likely to continue
mokelembembe
1/22/19 10:03am
BYU is an exact reflection, starters can hang with the top, depth suffers. Utah
Coug Man in Florida
1/21/19 10:20pm
basketball is far behind? Lone Peak won a NC recently. Utah AAU teams do very
palangi
1/21/19 10:08pm
I don’t believe this to be true...
CoachSpeak
1/21/19 7:00pm
Is it reasonable to expect BYU to dominate in-state Recruiting now?
HomeTownHero
1/21/19 7:14pm
No I don’t think it is reasonable to expect them to dominate instate...
CoachSpeak
1/21/19 7:29pm
This is 100% correct. Great post!
PhilPete
1/21/19 7:32pm
RE: I don’t believe this to be true...
pajamallama
1/21/19 7:45pm
Yea I agree...
CoachSpeak
1/21/19 9:11pm
Langlois didn't start playing until he got to BYU.
molodyets
1/21/19 7:00pm
Per capita Utah HS sports are very high performing
RdF3
1/21/19 7:00pm
Baloney. Per capita Utah HS athletics are just fine. Especially for public schools.
Hank Rearden
1/21/19 7:16pm
I like how you left off guys that have played in the NBA....B Davies.....
mokelembembe
1/21/19 7:17pm
RE: I like how you left off guys that have played in the NBA....B Davies.....
pajamallama
1/21/19 7:47pm
Fred Roberts (10 years) Devin Durrant, Travis Hansen as well
mcnasty
1/22/19 9:47am
Research shows you’re better off being a big fish in a small pond
Odysseus
1/21/19 7:19pm
RE: Research shows you’re better off being a big fish in a small pond
pajamallama
1/21/19 7:48pm
I've been thinking this for YEARS. All-State in Utah is equivalent of all CCS in
Kerbouchard
1/21/19 7:19pm
True, but I can almost guarantee coaches don't offer a players based off this
game.blouses
1/21/19 7:30pm
That’s probably true...
CoachSpeak
1/21/19 7:54pm
you lost me at "long story short"
boxydutch
1/21/19 7:33pm
you are correct, though
boxydutch
1/21/19 7:42pm
California is massively overrated in football
Solomon Levi
1/21/19 7:45pm
RE: California is massively overrated in football
boxydutch
1/21/19 7:53pm
Utah v. California is not the issue that I am comparing
Solomon Levi
1/21/19 7:56pm
The # of guys who make the NFL from CA. is still relevant
boxydutch
1/21/19 8:03pm
Florida has done only 2% less with half the population.
Solomon Levi
1/21/19 9:10pm
A decent argument. But Taysom Hill counters the argument instead of supporting.
ochobeeguy
1/21/19 8:15pm
I agree with this. I feel like the level of competition would be even worse in
coug555
1/21/19 8:22pm
Outliers will always exist. Ex. Vander Esch who plays for the cowboys and is a
pajamallama
1/22/19 2:59pm
Greatest all time BYU football player was from Utah though.
ochobeeguy
1/21/19 8:25pm
McMahon?
pajamallama
1/21/19 8:27pm
Yes
ochobeeguy
1/21/19 8:55pm
Yes he was the greatest....
CoachSpeak
1/21/19 9:22pm
McMahon was not from Utah. He moved here when he was 16.
Jdoc
1/21/19 8:27pm
True, I guess I just always associate him with Roy. Who then?
pajamallama
1/21/19 8:30pm
Guess he didn't play high school football here then.
ochobeeguy
1/21/19 8:55pm
He did for one or two years, but he is not from Utah.
Jdoc
1/21/19 9:02pm
The whole thread is about high school competition, not where they were born.
ochobeeguy
1/21/19 9:27pm
Read the post I responded to. The guy said McMahon was from Utah.
Jdoc
1/21/19 9:36pm
You're telling me to read my own post? I replied to a post about HS competition.
ochobeeguy
1/21/19 10:34pm
Dude, you said McMahon was from Utah. He’s not. Do you really
Jdoc
1/21/19 10:47pm
I moved to Utah just as I was going into high school...
CoachSpeak
1/22/19 8:53am
Fine. Let's go with most successful NFL BYU football player from Utah then.
ochobeeguy
1/22/19 10:11am
There you go. I can get on board with that.
Jdoc
1/22/19 10:17am
I don’t get the point of saying McMahon wasn’t “from” Utah. He played his last 2
Bill
1/22/19 7:57am
If you lived in one place for a year and a half out
Jdoc
1/22/19 8:30am
The point is he played his high school ball in Utah
Bill
1/23/19 3:24pm
In foot ball you're from where you prepped.
shakarocks
1/23/19 6:06pm
Baloney post. That’s why Stanford, USC, Alabama, Oregon, etc have all signed
Swishfromdeep3
1/21/19 8:27pm
You're talking about a few outliers. I'm talking about the general population.
pajamallama
1/21/19 9:06pm
There needs to be an open division in Utah, where any school can enter
Alpi Gusto
1/21/19 8:37pm
This is what’s good about the BYU invite in track— open division competition.
HomeTownHero
1/21/19 8:55pm
Idaho, Reno NV, even Arizona. All worse comp than Utah. AZ may be about the
akmewg
1/21/19 9:01pm
WOW, no one on here had no idea about this especially in regards to BBall.
Blue for Life
1/21/19 9:06pm
Jamal Williams is a great example.
wilsdad
1/21/19 9:16pm
This is misleading
shakarocks
1/21/19 9:24pm
Another reason this is wrong because your it’s “crippling BYU Athletics”...
CoachSpeak
1/21/19 9:31pm
Oh, I'm 100% talking about all athletics, the tendency of users on CB is to only
pajamallama
1/21/19 9:43pm
So then you’re wrong, Utah HS competition is not “crippling BYU athletics”...
CoachSpeak
1/21/19 9:57pm
Conversely, XC at BYU is dominated by Utahns and is a national powerhouse.
HomeTownHero
1/21/19 10:00pm
XC might be the one exception. Altitude is prime here and it helps a lot.
pajamallama
1/21/19 10:11pm
And if you did you'd still be wrong....
CoachSpeak
1/22/19 8:57am
I disagree. What's your current experience with youth and high school sports?
palangi
1/21/19 9:46pm
This is the exact problem. Just because a youth team is good, does not mean
pajamallama
1/21/19 10:06pm
It's not the problem though! The problem is how much talent there is in Utah
palangi
1/21/19 10:23pm
I did see somewhere last season where the top states for high school football
Coug Man in Florida
1/21/19 10:25pm
BYU recruiting strategy
kiyoshige
1/21/19 10:27pm
AZ is the "Mormon Belt"
indocoug
1/22/19 8:31am
This is a dumb take. Sorry. Just dumb.
Iron Coug
1/22/19 9:38am
The kid said he's a freshman. He was born after SGC. I'll cut him some slack.
Brisco
1/22/19 9:51am
I've read his post, I'm not sure he is.
Iron Coug
1/22/19 1:42pm
Yep even Alabama, Texas, LSU etc are coming into the state
palangi
1/22/19 11:02am
In your opinion who are some of the best BYU athletes from Utah to make it at
pajamallama
1/22/19 2:36pm
It's not about BYU athletes from Utah though, your post is about Utah youth/hs
palangi
1/22/19 2:54pm
So, you're saying the Ut competition level is the same as all other states?
pajamallama
1/22/19 3:00pm
It is one of the best. Probably 80-90 percentile
palangi
1/22/19 3:04pm
If that were the case we'd see more pro athletes from Ut. Why are there not
pajamallama
1/22/19 3:13pm
Just numbers, Utah has a small population
palangi
1/22/19 6:11pm
If you take a comparable sized population group...
CoachSpeak
1/22/19 6:22pm
This was not your argument. Your argument was that "Utah athletics" is
Iron Coug
1/23/19 8:26am
Having UofU in the PAC12 has increased recruiting in UT by OR, USC, UCLA, etc.
ALUF 1990
1/22/19 12:26pm
Absolutely and the fact BYU is still (somewhat) relevant is astonishing.
kiyoshige
1/22/19 12:35pm
seems like a really long post just to brag about your athletic ability
Str8CashCougar
1/22/19 1:38pm
Look at BYU players only from the last 12 years or so. A great group of Utah boys could make up
lightmann
1/22/19 3:13pm
Cummard is from AZ but thats besides the point. And true you could play with
pajamallama
1/22/19 3:27pm
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