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Jan 21, 2019
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Athletes from outside major city centers dominate professional sports. Why?

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Odysseus

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Utah competition level is crippling BYU athletics

pajamallama

1/21/19 6:30pm

To be fair, the LP3 were nationally well regarded. But yes, you are right. And in the spirit of this, I think the

Ragnar Danneskjold

1/21/19 6:33pm

RE: To be fair, the LP3 were nationally well regarded. But yes, you are right.

pajamallama

1/21/19 6:46pm

Wait, you're saying TJ Haws and Eric Mika were just above average players?

game.blouses

1/21/19 7:36pm

I'd say Mika was closer to being a superstar,

pajamallama

1/21/19 8:03pm

That's weird, in high school Mika was the least superstar of the three

game.blouses

1/21/19 8:39pm

Mika had the biggest upside due to his athleticism and size. Maybe he wasn't

pajamallama

1/21/19 8:52pm

WRONG...Mika had superstar written all over him in high school so did TJ Haws

richvan

1/21/19 10:27pm

You keep referencing accolades they had, which is the problem I'm addressing.

pajamallama

1/22/19 2:52pm

They've all been First-team all conference players. That's not nothing.

game.blouses

1/22/19 6:25pm

What? This logic is flawed! Sorry 😐

jpal1397

1/21/19 8:08pm

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pajamallama

1/21/19 8:10pm

Maybe you're right, but at the end of the day

pajamallama

1/21/19 8:20pm

Tyler Haws is the top leading scorer in BYU history and he was from LP

richvan

1/21/19 10:34pm

Utah HS Competition is still very good and produces some good D1 talent

richvan

1/21/19 10:53pm

Utah has great HS basketball for its population size.

boscatar

1/22/19 2:04pm

But none of them made it in the NBA.... What I'm getting at is, I fear players

pajamallama

1/22/19 2:44pm

Frank Jackson is currently in the NBA

mcnasty

1/22/19 3:24pm

Travis Hansen, Brandon Davies, Kyle Collinsworth

palangi

1/22/19 3:32pm

I got crucified for saying the LP3 wouldn’t do anything significant at BYU

1984coug

1/21/19 8:00pm

They played and beat the best teams in the country on the road!

jpal1397

1/21/19 8:12pm

Provo did the same thing in the late 90s. Great team basketball in Utah. I do

ataylor

1/21/19 8:28pm

I liken that to underdogs in March madness... they may win a few come tournament

1984coug

1/21/19 8:38pm

Haha! I grew up in Indiana - outside Gary and East Chicago

truecougster

1/21/19 10:25pm

This isn't new at all. And the level of competition in Utah is only getting

JAGA97

1/21/19 6:35pm

What are you talking about? There has been youth tackle football in Utah for

Jdoc

1/21/19 6:48pm

How old were you? And how many cities had tackle football? My point stands that

JAGA97

1/21/19 6:57pm

I agree with your premise, but the Wasatch Front has had youth

Jdoc

1/21/19 7:01pm

This. I played tackle football in the 80’s while in elementary school.

Cougstreak

1/21/19 8:02pm

In Utah County in the 80s there was no tackle FB until 7th grade

mcnasty

1/22/19 9:32am

It even didn't have it till like the late 90's when it became available for 5th

Coug Man in Florida

1/22/19 10:27am

Wow, glad I did not grow up in Utah County.

Cougstreak

1/23/19 9:54am

There was in Salt Lake County but not Utah County...

CoachSpeak

1/22/19 9:55am

My boys played Ute conference football in the 90's

MIT

1/22/19 4:32am

I played as a 10 yr old in the late 70s in the Kearns area.

Accipiter

1/21/19 7:02pm

Not sure where you are, but we had LL tackle football in the 80's in Davis Co.

Blue for Life

1/21/19 9:10pm

RE: Utah competition level is crippling BYU athletics

Cabadapeste

1/21/19 6:36pm

The current NFL players who played this weekend

DrBYU

1/21/19 6:40pm

RE: The current NFL players who played this weekend

pajamallama

1/21/19 6:47pm

My bad, I thought Sorensen was a Utah HS players

DrBYU

1/21/19 6:53pm

It is a very Utah last name

pajamallama

1/21/19 7:50pm

Steve Young played HS ball in Connecticut

4th and Niner

1/21/19 6:45pm

Other than that? Steve Young has nothing to do with his argument. He didn't say

Kerbouchard

1/21/19 7:17pm

And yet small town athletes become pro athletes at much higher rates than they

Odysseus

1/21/19 7:21pm

Link

Odysseus

1/21/19 7:22pm

years ago, when I was a junior in HS, my HS in the Bay Area won the CCS

BYURider

1/21/19 6:47pm

The largest classification HS in Utah now are close to 3000 student schools...

CoachSpeak

1/21/19 7:01pm

Great, there's still WAY more schools in CA than Utah, therefore winning a state

Kerbouchard

1/21/19 7:20pm

I said that exact thing...

CoachSpeak

1/21/19 7:40pm

Of course it's harder to win a state championship in CA, that's not really the

palangi

1/21/19 9:58pm

You were pre-Craig Drury........

mokelembembe

1/21/19 7:22pm

He was there when Jim spencer was the coach...

CoachSpeak

1/21/19 7:52pm

They had some memorabilia in the awards case from those teams......

mokelembembe

1/21/19 9:57pm

No doubt about that, it is tough to see....

CoachSpeak

1/22/19 8:39am

It hasn't been the same since they changed the Provo boundaries

mcnasty

1/22/19 9:43am

It has also become somewhat of an inner city school....

CoachSpeak

1/22/19 10:04am

The new location will help because of the west side growth in Provo and Vineyard

palangi

1/22/19 11:16am

Spot on. I think Provo's demographics are likely to continue

mokelembembe

1/22/19 10:03am

BYU is an exact reflection, starters can hang with the top, depth suffers. Utah

Coug Man in Florida

1/21/19 10:20pm

basketball is far behind? Lone Peak won a NC recently. Utah AAU teams do very

palangi

1/21/19 10:08pm

I don’t believe this to be true...

CoachSpeak

1/21/19 7:00pm

Is it reasonable to expect BYU to dominate in-state Recruiting now?

HomeTownHero

1/21/19 7:14pm

No I don’t think it is reasonable to expect them to dominate instate...

CoachSpeak

1/21/19 7:29pm

This is 100% correct. Great post!

PhilPete

1/21/19 7:32pm

RE: I don’t believe this to be true...

pajamallama

1/21/19 7:45pm

Yea I agree...

CoachSpeak

1/21/19 9:11pm

Langlois didn't start playing until he got to BYU.

molodyets

1/21/19 7:00pm

Per capita Utah HS sports are very high performing

RdF3

1/21/19 7:00pm

Baloney. Per capita Utah HS athletics are just fine. Especially for public schools.

Hank Rearden

1/21/19 7:16pm

I like how you left off guys that have played in the NBA....B Davies.....

mokelembembe

1/21/19 7:17pm

RE: I like how you left off guys that have played in the NBA....B Davies.....

pajamallama

1/21/19 7:47pm

Fred Roberts (10 years) Devin Durrant, Travis Hansen as well

mcnasty

1/22/19 9:47am

Research shows you’re better off being a big fish in a small pond

Odysseus

1/21/19 7:19pm

RE: Research shows you’re better off being a big fish in a small pond

pajamallama

1/21/19 7:48pm

I've been thinking this for YEARS. All-State in Utah is equivalent of all CCS in

Kerbouchard

1/21/19 7:19pm

True, but I can almost guarantee coaches don't offer a players based off this

game.blouses

1/21/19 7:30pm

That’s probably true...

CoachSpeak

1/21/19 7:54pm

you lost me at "long story short"

boxydutch

1/21/19 7:33pm

you are correct, though

boxydutch

1/21/19 7:42pm

California is massively overrated in football

Solomon Levi

1/21/19 7:45pm

RE: California is massively overrated in football

boxydutch

1/21/19 7:53pm

Utah v. California is not the issue that I am comparing

Solomon Levi

1/21/19 7:56pm

The # of guys who make the NFL from CA. is still relevant

boxydutch

1/21/19 8:03pm

Florida has done only 2% less with half the population.

Solomon Levi

1/21/19 9:10pm

A decent argument. But Taysom Hill counters the argument instead of supporting.

ochobeeguy

1/21/19 8:15pm

I agree with this. I feel like the level of competition would be even worse in

coug555

1/21/19 8:22pm

Outliers will always exist. Ex. Vander Esch who plays for the cowboys and is a

pajamallama

1/22/19 2:59pm

Greatest all time BYU football player was from Utah though.

ochobeeguy

1/21/19 8:25pm

McMahon?

pajamallama

1/21/19 8:27pm

Yes

ochobeeguy

1/21/19 8:55pm

Yes he was the greatest....

CoachSpeak

1/21/19 9:22pm

McMahon was not from Utah. He moved here when he was 16.

Jdoc

1/21/19 8:27pm

True, I guess I just always associate him with Roy. Who then?

pajamallama

1/21/19 8:30pm

Guess he didn't play high school football here then.

ochobeeguy

1/21/19 8:55pm

He did for one or two years, but he is not from Utah.

Jdoc

1/21/19 9:02pm

The whole thread is about high school competition, not where they were born.

ochobeeguy

1/21/19 9:27pm

Read the post I responded to. The guy said McMahon was from Utah.

Jdoc

1/21/19 9:36pm

You're telling me to read my own post? I replied to a post about HS competition.

ochobeeguy

1/21/19 10:34pm

Dude, you said McMahon was from Utah. He’s not. Do you really

Jdoc

1/21/19 10:47pm

I moved to Utah just as I was going into high school...

CoachSpeak

1/22/19 8:53am

Fine. Let's go with most successful NFL BYU football player from Utah then.

ochobeeguy

1/22/19 10:11am

There you go. I can get on board with that.

Jdoc

1/22/19 10:17am

I don’t get the point of saying McMahon wasn’t “from” Utah. He played his last 2

Bill

1/22/19 7:57am

If you lived in one place for a year and a half out

Jdoc

1/22/19 8:30am

The point is he played his high school ball in Utah

Bill

1/23/19 3:24pm

In foot ball you're from where you prepped.

shakarocks

1/23/19 6:06pm

Baloney post. That’s why Stanford, USC, Alabama, Oregon, etc have all signed

Swishfromdeep3

1/21/19 8:27pm

You're talking about a few outliers. I'm talking about the general population.

pajamallama

1/21/19 9:06pm

There needs to be an open division in Utah, where any school can enter

Alpi Gusto

1/21/19 8:37pm

This is what’s good about the BYU invite in track— open division competition.

HomeTownHero

1/21/19 8:55pm

Idaho, Reno NV, even Arizona. All worse comp than Utah. AZ may be about the

akmewg

1/21/19 9:01pm

WOW, no one on here had no idea about this especially in regards to BBall.

Blue for Life

1/21/19 9:06pm

Jamal Williams is a great example.

wilsdad

1/21/19 9:16pm

This is misleading

shakarocks

1/21/19 9:24pm

Another reason this is wrong because your it’s “crippling BYU Athletics”...

CoachSpeak

1/21/19 9:31pm

Oh, I'm 100% talking about all athletics, the tendency of users on CB is to only

pajamallama

1/21/19 9:43pm

So then you’re wrong, Utah HS competition is not “crippling BYU athletics”...

CoachSpeak

1/21/19 9:57pm

Conversely, XC at BYU is dominated by Utahns and is a national powerhouse.

HomeTownHero

1/21/19 10:00pm

XC might be the one exception. Altitude is prime here and it helps a lot.

pajamallama

1/21/19 10:11pm

And if you did you'd still be wrong....

CoachSpeak

1/22/19 8:57am

I disagree. What's your current experience with youth and high school sports?

palangi

1/21/19 9:46pm

This is the exact problem. Just because a youth team is good, does not mean

pajamallama

1/21/19 10:06pm

It's not the problem though! The problem is how much talent there is in Utah

palangi

1/21/19 10:23pm

I did see somewhere last season where the top states for high school football

Coug Man in Florida

1/21/19 10:25pm

BYU recruiting strategy

kiyoshige

1/21/19 10:27pm

AZ is the "Mormon Belt"

indocoug

1/22/19 8:31am

This is a dumb take. Sorry. Just dumb.

Iron Coug

1/22/19 9:38am

The kid said he's a freshman. He was born after SGC. I'll cut him some slack.

Brisco

1/22/19 9:51am

I've read his post, I'm not sure he is.

Iron Coug

1/22/19 1:42pm

Yep even Alabama, Texas, LSU etc are coming into the state

palangi

1/22/19 11:02am

In your opinion who are some of the best BYU athletes from Utah to make it at

pajamallama

1/22/19 2:36pm

It's not about BYU athletes from Utah though, your post is about Utah youth/hs

palangi

1/22/19 2:54pm

So, you're saying the Ut competition level is the same as all other states?

pajamallama

1/22/19 3:00pm

It is one of the best. Probably 80-90 percentile

palangi

1/22/19 3:04pm

If that were the case we'd see more pro athletes from Ut. Why are there not

pajamallama

1/22/19 3:13pm

Just numbers, Utah has a small population

palangi

1/22/19 6:11pm

If you take a comparable sized population group...

CoachSpeak

1/22/19 6:22pm

This was not your argument. Your argument was that "Utah athletics" is

Iron Coug

1/23/19 8:26am

Having UofU in the PAC12 has increased recruiting in UT by OR, USC, UCLA, etc.

ALUF 1990

1/22/19 12:26pm

Absolutely and the fact BYU is still (somewhat) relevant is astonishing.

kiyoshige

1/22/19 12:35pm

seems like a really long post just to brag about your athletic ability

Str8CashCougar

1/22/19 1:38pm

Look at BYU players only from the last 12 years or so. A great group of Utah boys could make up

lightmann

1/22/19 3:13pm

Cummard is from AZ but thats besides the point. And true you could play with

pajamallama

1/22/19 3:27pm

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