The point is he played his high school ball in Utah

To be fair, the LP3 were nationally well regarded. But yes, you are right. And in the spirit of this, I think the

Ragnar Danneskjold

1/21/19 6:33pm

RE: To be fair, the LP3 were nationally well regarded. But yes, you are right.

pajamallama

1/21/19 6:46pm

Wait, you're saying TJ Haws and Eric Mika were just above average players?

game.blouses

1/21/19 7:36pm

I'd say Mika was closer to being a superstar,

pajamallama

1/21/19 8:03pm

That's weird, in high school Mika was the least superstar of the three

game.blouses

1/21/19 8:39pm

Mika had the biggest upside due to his athleticism and size. Maybe he wasn't

pajamallama

1/21/19 8:52pm

WRONG...Mika had superstar written all over him in high school so did TJ Haws

richvan

1/21/19 10:27pm

You keep referencing accolades they had, which is the problem I'm addressing.

pajamallama

1/22/19 2:52pm

They've all been First-team all conference players. That's not nothing.

game.blouses

1/22/19 6:25pm

What? This logic is flawed! Sorry 😐

jpal1397

1/21/19 8:08pm

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pajamallama

1/21/19 8:10pm

Maybe you're right, but at the end of the day

pajamallama

1/21/19 8:20pm

Tyler Haws is the top leading scorer in BYU history and he was from LP

richvan

1/21/19 10:34pm

Utah HS Competition is still very good and produces some good D1 talent

richvan

1/21/19 10:53pm

Utah has great HS basketball for its population size.

boscatar

1/22/19 2:04pm

But none of them made it in the NBA.... What I'm getting at is, I fear players

pajamallama

1/22/19 2:44pm

Frank Jackson is currently in the NBA

mcnasty

1/22/19 3:24pm

Travis Hansen, Brandon Davies, Kyle Collinsworth

palangi

1/22/19 3:32pm

I got crucified for saying the LP3 wouldn’t do anything significant at BYU

1984coug

1/21/19 8:00pm

They played and beat the best teams in the country on the road!

jpal1397

1/21/19 8:12pm

Provo did the same thing in the late 90s. Great team basketball in Utah. I do

ataylor

1/21/19 8:28pm

I liken that to underdogs in March madness... they may win a few come tournament

1984coug

1/21/19 8:38pm

Haha! I grew up in Indiana - outside Gary and East Chicago

truecougster

1/21/19 10:25pm

This isn't new at all. And the level of competition in Utah is only getting

JAGA97

1/21/19 6:35pm

What are you talking about? There has been youth tackle football in Utah for

Jdoc

1/21/19 6:48pm

How old were you? And how many cities had tackle football? My point stands that

JAGA97

1/21/19 6:57pm

I agree with your premise, but the Wasatch Front has had youth

Jdoc

1/21/19 7:01pm

This. I played tackle football in the 80’s while in elementary school.

Cougstreak

1/21/19 8:02pm

In Utah County in the 80s there was no tackle FB until 7th grade

mcnasty

1/22/19 9:32am

It even didn't have it till like the late 90's when it became available for 5th

Coug Man in Florida

1/22/19 10:27am

Wow, glad I did not grow up in Utah County.

Cougstreak

1/23/19 9:54am

There was in Salt Lake County but not Utah County...

CoachSpeak

1/22/19 9:55am

My boys played Ute conference football in the 90's

MIT

1/22/19 4:32am

I played as a 10 yr old in the late 70s in the Kearns area.

Accipiter

1/21/19 7:02pm

Not sure where you are, but we had LL tackle football in the 80's in Davis Co.

Blue for Life

1/21/19 9:10pm

RE: Utah competition level is crippling BYU athletics

Cabadapeste

1/21/19 6:36pm

The current NFL players who played this weekend

DrBYU

1/21/19 6:40pm

RE: The current NFL players who played this weekend

pajamallama

1/21/19 6:47pm

My bad, I thought Sorensen was a Utah HS players

DrBYU

1/21/19 6:53pm

It is a very Utah last name

pajamallama

1/21/19 7:50pm

Steve Young played HS ball in Connecticut

4th and Niner

1/21/19 6:45pm

Other than that? Steve Young has nothing to do with his argument. He didn't say

Kerbouchard

1/21/19 7:17pm

And yet small town athletes become pro athletes at much higher rates than they

Odysseus

1/21/19 7:21pm

Link

Odysseus

1/21/19 7:22pm

years ago, when I was a junior in HS, my HS in the Bay Area won the CCS

BYURider

1/21/19 6:47pm

The largest classification HS in Utah now are close to 3000 student schools...

CoachSpeak

1/21/19 7:01pm

Great, there's still WAY more schools in CA than Utah, therefore winning a state

Kerbouchard

1/21/19 7:20pm

I said that exact thing...

CoachSpeak

1/21/19 7:40pm

Of course it's harder to win a state championship in CA, that's not really the

palangi

1/21/19 9:58pm

You were pre-Craig Drury........

mokelembembe

1/21/19 7:22pm

He was there when Jim spencer was the coach...

CoachSpeak

1/21/19 7:52pm

They had some memorabilia in the awards case from those teams......

mokelembembe

1/21/19 9:57pm

No doubt about that, it is tough to see....

CoachSpeak

1/22/19 8:39am

It hasn't been the same since they changed the Provo boundaries

mcnasty

1/22/19 9:43am

It has also become somewhat of an inner city school....

CoachSpeak

1/22/19 10:04am

The new location will help because of the west side growth in Provo and Vineyard

palangi

1/22/19 11:16am

Spot on. I think Provo's demographics are likely to continue

mokelembembe

1/22/19 10:03am

BYU is an exact reflection, starters can hang with the top, depth suffers. Utah

Coug Man in Florida

1/21/19 10:20pm

basketball is far behind? Lone Peak won a NC recently. Utah AAU teams do very

palangi

1/21/19 10:08pm

I don’t believe this to be true...

CoachSpeak

1/21/19 7:00pm

Is it reasonable to expect BYU to dominate in-state Recruiting now?

HomeTownHero

1/21/19 7:14pm

No I don’t think it is reasonable to expect them to dominate instate...

CoachSpeak

1/21/19 7:29pm

This is 100% correct. Great post!

PhilPete

1/21/19 7:32pm

RE: I don’t believe this to be true...

pajamallama

1/21/19 7:45pm

Yea I agree...

CoachSpeak

1/21/19 9:11pm

Langlois didn't start playing until he got to BYU.

molodyets

1/21/19 7:00pm

Per capita Utah HS sports are very high performing

RdF3

1/21/19 7:00pm

Baloney. Per capita Utah HS athletics are just fine. Especially for public schools.

Hank Rearden

1/21/19 7:16pm

I like how you left off guys that have played in the NBA....B Davies.....

mokelembembe

1/21/19 7:17pm

RE: I like how you left off guys that have played in the NBA....B Davies.....

pajamallama

1/21/19 7:47pm

Fred Roberts (10 years) Devin Durrant, Travis Hansen as well

mcnasty

1/22/19 9:47am

Research shows you’re better off being a big fish in a small pond

Odysseus

1/21/19 7:19pm

RE: Research shows you’re better off being a big fish in a small pond

pajamallama

1/21/19 7:48pm

I've been thinking this for YEARS. All-State in Utah is equivalent of all CCS in

Kerbouchard

1/21/19 7:19pm

True, but I can almost guarantee coaches don't offer a players based off this

game.blouses

1/21/19 7:30pm

That’s probably true...

CoachSpeak

1/21/19 7:54pm

you lost me at "long story short"

boxydutch

1/21/19 7:33pm

you are correct, though

boxydutch

1/21/19 7:42pm

California is massively overrated in football

Solomon Levi

1/21/19 7:45pm

RE: California is massively overrated in football

boxydutch

1/21/19 7:53pm

Utah v. California is not the issue that I am comparing

Solomon Levi

1/21/19 7:56pm

The # of guys who make the NFL from CA. is still relevant

boxydutch

1/21/19 8:03pm

Florida has done only 2% less with half the population.

Solomon Levi

1/21/19 9:10pm

A decent argument. But Taysom Hill counters the argument instead of supporting.

ochobeeguy

1/21/19 8:15pm

I agree with this. I feel like the level of competition would be even worse in

coug555

1/21/19 8:22pm

Outliers will always exist. Ex. Vander Esch who plays for the cowboys and is a

pajamallama

1/22/19 2:59pm

Greatest all time BYU football player was from Utah though.

ochobeeguy

1/21/19 8:25pm

McMahon?

pajamallama

1/21/19 8:27pm

Yes

ochobeeguy

1/21/19 8:55pm

Yes he was the greatest....

CoachSpeak

1/21/19 9:22pm

McMahon was not from Utah. He moved here when he was 16.

Jdoc

1/21/19 8:27pm

True, I guess I just always associate him with Roy. Who then?

pajamallama

1/21/19 8:30pm

Guess he didn't play high school football here then.

ochobeeguy

1/21/19 8:55pm

He did for one or two years, but he is not from Utah.

Jdoc

1/21/19 9:02pm

The whole thread is about high school competition, not where they were born.

ochobeeguy

1/21/19 9:27pm

Read the post I responded to. The guy said McMahon was from Utah.

Jdoc

1/21/19 9:36pm

You're telling me to read my own post? I replied to a post about HS competition.

ochobeeguy

1/21/19 10:34pm

Dude, you said McMahon was from Utah. He’s not. Do you really

Jdoc

1/21/19 10:47pm

I moved to Utah just as I was going into high school...

CoachSpeak

1/22/19 8:53am

Fine. Let's go with most successful NFL BYU football player from Utah then.

ochobeeguy

1/22/19 10:11am

There you go. I can get on board with that.

Jdoc

1/22/19 10:17am

I don’t get the point of saying McMahon wasn’t “from” Utah. He played his last 2

Bill

1/22/19 7:57am

If you lived in one place for a year and a half out

Jdoc

1/22/19 8:30am

The point is he played his high school ball in Utah

Bill

1/23/19 3:24pm

In foot ball you're from where you prepped.

shakarocks

1/23/19 6:06pm

Baloney post. That’s why Stanford, USC, Alabama, Oregon, etc have all signed

Swishfromdeep3

1/21/19 8:27pm

You're talking about a few outliers. I'm talking about the general population.

pajamallama

1/21/19 9:06pm

There needs to be an open division in Utah, where any school can enter

Alpi Gusto

1/21/19 8:37pm

This is what’s good about the BYU invite in track— open division competition.

HomeTownHero

1/21/19 8:55pm

Idaho, Reno NV, even Arizona. All worse comp than Utah. AZ may be about the

akmewg

1/21/19 9:01pm

WOW, no one on here had no idea about this especially in regards to BBall.

Blue for Life

1/21/19 9:06pm

Jamal Williams is a great example.

wilsdad

1/21/19 9:16pm

This is misleading

shakarocks

1/21/19 9:24pm

Another reason this is wrong because your it’s “crippling BYU Athletics”...

CoachSpeak

1/21/19 9:31pm

Oh, I'm 100% talking about all athletics, the tendency of users on CB is to only

pajamallama

1/21/19 9:43pm

So then you’re wrong, Utah HS competition is not “crippling BYU athletics”...

CoachSpeak

1/21/19 9:57pm

Conversely, XC at BYU is dominated by Utahns and is a national powerhouse.

HomeTownHero

1/21/19 10:00pm

XC might be the one exception. Altitude is prime here and it helps a lot.

pajamallama

1/21/19 10:11pm

And if you did you'd still be wrong....

CoachSpeak

1/22/19 8:57am

I disagree. What's your current experience with youth and high school sports?

palangi

1/21/19 9:46pm

This is the exact problem. Just because a youth team is good, does not mean

pajamallama

1/21/19 10:06pm

It's not the problem though! The problem is how much talent there is in Utah

palangi

1/21/19 10:23pm

I did see somewhere last season where the top states for high school football

Coug Man in Florida

1/21/19 10:25pm

BYU recruiting strategy

kiyoshige

1/21/19 10:27pm

AZ is the "Mormon Belt"

indocoug

1/22/19 8:31am

This is a dumb take. Sorry. Just dumb.

Iron Coug

1/22/19 9:38am

The kid said he's a freshman. He was born after SGC. I'll cut him some slack.

Brisco

1/22/19 9:51am

I've read his post, I'm not sure he is.

Iron Coug

1/22/19 1:42pm

Yep even Alabama, Texas, LSU etc are coming into the state

palangi

1/22/19 11:02am

In your opinion who are some of the best BYU athletes from Utah to make it at

pajamallama

1/22/19 2:36pm

It's not about BYU athletes from Utah though, your post is about Utah youth/hs

palangi

1/22/19 2:54pm

So, you're saying the Ut competition level is the same as all other states?

pajamallama

1/22/19 3:00pm

It is one of the best. Probably 80-90 percentile

palangi

1/22/19 3:04pm

If that were the case we'd see more pro athletes from Ut. Why are there not

pajamallama

1/22/19 3:13pm

Just numbers, Utah has a small population

palangi

1/22/19 6:11pm

If you take a comparable sized population group...

CoachSpeak

1/22/19 6:22pm

This was not your argument. Your argument was that "Utah athletics" is

Iron Coug

1/23/19 8:26am

Having UofU in the PAC12 has increased recruiting in UT by OR, USC, UCLA, etc.

ALUF 1990

1/22/19 12:26pm

Absolutely and the fact BYU is still (somewhat) relevant is astonishing.

kiyoshige

1/22/19 12:35pm

seems like a really long post just to brag about your athletic ability

Str8CashCougar

1/22/19 1:38pm

Look at BYU players only from the last 12 years or so. A great group of Utah boys could make up

lightmann

1/22/19 3:13pm

Cummard is from AZ but thats besides the point. And true you could play with

pajamallama

1/22/19 3:27pm

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