Worked closely w/ Dr Heckman. I graduated in 1983. Best histology professor on

May 16, 2023
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Pine Redshirt Freshman

the planet. He is as fine a man as I have ever met. I have unbounded respect for him. He loved to teach and prepared me well for dental school. It was a cake walk compared to BYU. You warmed my heart to hear his name and brought back a flood of wonderful memories. Thank you. And by the way, if he said it, it happened that way.

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I have heard more stories lately of BYU grads applying to U Med School not being

BillyGoat

5/16/23 9:29pm

Same. I have a BIL that was determined to go to Utah's med school, and was advised to transfer from BYU to Weber State

Ragnar Danneskjold

5/16/23 9:33pm

The church needs to separate from that anti school. Stop being nice, stop

palangi

5/16/23 9:37pm

Years ago, Dr Heckman was tasked w planning a law school and med school

Sam's Dad

5/16/23 10:02pm

Worked closely w/ Dr Heckman. I graduated in 1983. Best histology professor on

Pine

5/16/23 10:45pm

You need to document all this and write a book. History needs to be kept plus

7FootRussian

5/17/23 9:08am

Could the Russel M. Nelson school of medicine be something we hear about

SurfCoug

5/17/23 9:37am

Not likely. The cost of a medical school is astronomical. Without the funding

BYUlv

5/17/23 1:41pm

Those are well known obstacles, but

SurfCoug

5/17/23 3:33pm

I just don't see it happening, but stranger things have happened.

BYUlv

5/17/23 4:02pm

Without a tertiary research-based hospital it would be garbage from the get-go.

cougfanz

5/17/23 5:58pm

I have heard similar stories from relatives

Cougrrrs Roll

5/17/23 11:11am

Yea probably 9 of the top 10 kids for my year at the U, were BYU kids

cougfanz

5/17/23 11:29am

Similar experience with Dental. BYU does a great job, Dr. Heckman is the best

rbr

5/17/23 7:26pm

Well that proves it!

kos

5/17/23 4:09am

Somebody very familiar with the program gave him advice that his chances were better graduating from WSU than BYU.

Ragnar Danneskjold

5/17/23 8:36am

Are you really denying the anti-LDS, anti-BYU bias of the UofU med school and training programs? This has been well

Yllage Vidiot

5/17/23 9:23am

Seems much more compelling than your argument.

ochobeeguy

5/17/23 11:20am

I don’t think saying you transferred to Weber and then got in really proved

kos

5/17/23 7:59pm

I don't think being a Ute fan and saying this doesn't happen is very compelling.

ochobeeguy

5/18/23 8:59am

My point was - that was the advice he was given by somebody with experience.

Ragnar Danneskjold

5/18/23 9:03am

That’s fair.

kos

5/19/23 6:22am

Ha, that’s a bold move. Glad it paid off but that’s silly.

cougfanz

5/17/23 11:06am

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vagabonder

5/16/23 9:34pm

I don't think it's changed much. I know a BYU grad that was accepted a couple of

Team Chaos

5/16/23 9:34pm

Male and pale. Don’t love Mormons.

BlooCoog

5/16/23 9:37pm

I think they just have an anti local bias for med and PA school

The Kavorka

5/16/23 9:37pm

I'll I know is the DESB accepted all the BYU rejects when I started my Masters.

WhyaskY?

5/16/23 9:44pm

What year did you start?

dYrtbYkerYder

5/16/23 9:47pm

2001

WhyaskY?

5/16/23 9:51pm

DESB?

AZcougLawyer

5/16/23 10:20pm

Dark electric shade of blue?

akbarishiwatsu

5/16/23 10:52pm

Sorry, does this mean UCLA?

eyes4byu

5/16/23 11:07pm

David Eccles School of Business. I think.

Madam Pattirini

5/17/23 10:02am

My neighbor’s kid (BYU grad, summa cum laude, etc) was accepted to a Top 5

Richardo

5/16/23 9:54pm

I believe this as I saw similar things when a student at the U SOM.

Sam's Dad

5/16/23 10:05pm

There is a real anti-Mormon bias at the U of U. My father was a faculty member

BlooCoog

5/16/23 11:27pm

I am assured by CB ALUFs that this is definitely 100% false.

zsmooth

5/17/23 7:28am

Applied to their med school twice, gen surg residency, and vascular surgery. 0/4

Boring

5/16/23 10:09pm

In other words racism

BYU Grounds

5/17/23 6:11am

the U Med School is obsessed with DEI

Littlerich

5/16/23 10:20pm

I did 2 fellowships there and was a faculty radiologist there for 4 years, but I

Littlerich

5/16/23 10:26pm

People in the state if Utah and on this board vastly overrate the U’s med school

cougfanz

5/17/23 11:37am

Isn’t that true for medical schools in general?

JuicyJam

5/17/23 9:18am

Unfortunately, yes, but I think the UofU is more concerned with it

Littlerich

5/17/23 9:53am

Yes, as are all medical schools. White males are rarely accepted anymore unless

BYUlv

5/17/23 12:41pm

I will add that my nephew was rejected by the U but accepted by Johns Hopkins.

BYUlv

5/17/23 12:47pm

Wow

Ironhide

5/17/23 1:13pm

It’s been this way for several decades.

Nakedbootleg

5/16/23 10:29pm

Here was the reality in 2002 (I can only assume it’s similar now)

Medute

5/16/23 10:33pm

So they choose lesser candidates then? Good strategy

BYU '80

5/16/23 10:46pm

Yes, they pass up amazing candidates because they are worried about the optics

Littlerich

5/16/23 10:52pm

I think they receive hundreds, if not thousands, of qualified applicants

Medute

5/16/23 11:05pm

“. . . and missionary experience”? Nasty.

AZcougLawyer

5/16/23 11:40pm

Certainly wasn’t meant to be nasty. These applications just look very similar

Medute

5/17/23 6:38am

Why is religion even a consideration? Isn’t that discrimination?

ThundaDan

5/17/23 7:50am

It’s all the rage.

AZcougLawyer

5/17/23 8:01am

It’s not and that’s not the point

Medute

5/17/23 8:23am

Yes, makes sense. When I suffer an aneurysm, I won't care much

CaughtForaTouchdown

5/17/23 1:44pm

You must have missed the part where I said they were qualified

Medute

5/17/23 2:58pm

So really - all these candidates pooled have exactly the same

CaughtForaTouchdown

5/17/23 5:01pm

Again, lots of twisting of words going on here

Medute

5/17/23 5:22pm

I guess I better find out all the background info about my doc to make sure his

thewaterboy

5/17/23 1:57pm

You're missing the point

CaughtForaTouchdown

5/17/23 5:03pm

And what if lots of people are capable of doing the job?

Medute

5/17/23 5:44pm

🤮🤮🤮 I would much rather be treated by a doctor who is excellent than one who

BYUlv

5/17/23 2:18pm

Just before my colonoscopy yesterday I found that my DR had graduated U of U

52Cougar

5/17/23 3:01pm

Glad it went down. Must have been exciting for you to have him to go in there.

Malathion

5/17/23 4:10pm

Good for you! Being able to trust your doctor is vital. The top characteristic I

BYUlv

5/17/23 4:23pm

Same. I picked a female internal medicine doc for my primary care physician

Medute

5/17/23 4:59pm

In before message board geniuses posts a screenshot

byuTX

5/17/23 10:39pm

There already is a lot of discrimination in the college acceptance process. Why

TailgateU

5/17/23 8:27am

I applied for a job at the dental school there and never heard back. Later

tony

5/17/23 10:05am

RE: Certainly wasn’t meant to be nasty. These applications just look very

Travelhacker

5/17/23 11:51am

Reminds me of my interview at Colorado

Medute

5/17/23 11:58am

Yes. But so does everyone else.

lilpenny

5/17/23 7:28am

Utah isn't the only place to do this. I'm (adjunct) faculty at another public

BrighamJung

5/16/23 10:52pm

There are schools that try to get as many as they can. MCW was one, until a new

Littlerich

5/16/23 10:55pm

It’s a problem only if admissions folk value the wrong things

BYU '80

5/16/23 11:03pm

What precisely is the problem, and why is it good to have?

AZcougLawyer

5/16/23 11:41pm

Problem= high number of BYU grads seeking competitive positions that have

BrighamJung

5/17/23 7:48am

Thanks. Longterm phenomenon means BYU is a heavyweight (?).

AZcougLawyer

5/17/23 8:00am

Even in the age of DEI BYU does remarkably well with the whitest applicant pool

BrighamJung

5/17/23 11:15pm

For some reason I find the existence of this data sheet hilarious

Resurgens

5/18/23 7:37am

More hilarity:

BrighamJung

5/18/23 7:54am

Oregon health science university did the same thing with their dental school a

Blue chunks

5/16/23 11:14pm

It completely depends on how many qualified applicants you get

Medute

5/17/23 6:39am

Side Q - is there an uptick in DO school applicants?

ExitStageLeft

5/17/23 6:42am

I have no idea

Medute

5/17/23 9:55am

Yes, no question imo. The quality of DO applicants has totally benefited

cougfanz

5/17/23 11:53am

RE: It completely depends on how many qualified applicants you get

Blue chunks

5/17/23 9:05am

Agree 100%.. you could fill 2-4 full classes with byu kids who would be totally

cougfanz

5/17/23 11:26am

My story

Burton162

5/16/23 11:00pm

RE: My story

PNWCougarFan

5/17/23 7:21am

Sounds like they’re seriously deserving of a lawsuit.

AZcougLawyer

5/17/23 8:04am

Know any good lawyers?

thirdgencoug

5/17/23 7:37pm

BYU is one of the top schools in the nation for number of undergraduate students

Gentleman Stan

5/16/23 11:05pm

Did my general practice residency at the hospital in 1987. It was common

Pine

5/16/23 11:06pm

Amen! Eventually quality will be all that matters…after we all grow up.

Blue chunks

5/16/23 11:18pm

I.e. when He’s the only physician we need.

AZcougLawyer

5/17/23 8:06am

Cuz we’re dead.

AZcougLawyer

5/17/23 8:19am

I went to the University of Nebraska, who recruited BYU hard during those

Pine

5/16/23 11:19pm

It was the same when I was at BYU in the late 90’s.

cougERdoc

5/16/23 11:22pm

One final thought. I think I remember reading that one of the reasons President

Pine

5/16/23 11:30pm

Yes he even said so specifically in his book. The U of U’s anti Mormon lean has

Blue chunks

5/17/23 12:43am

Do a DNA test that shows you are 2% minority

baldcoug74

5/17/23 12:35am

Aaaaaaahhhh….Elizabeth “Pocahontas” Warren…. 1/1064th American Indian. Have I

BleedCougarBlue2

5/17/23 1:17am

This is not a joke. My son has a friend who was accepted to the U med school

BYUlv

5/17/23 1:27pm

Back in 1996, I got called back to U Med school for a 3rd interview…

BamaCoug

5/17/23 6:01am

5150man

5/17/23 7:20am

Summed up, U of U generally sucks all they way around.

cougar95

5/17/23 6:48am

It’s more simple than you think. Every year, they take a set number of students

Marb

5/17/23 7:21am

What posters are saying is simultaneously true. This does not detract. Lies,

AZcougLawyer

5/17/23 8:11am

It’s actually closer to 700 BYU grads who go into medicine.

Boring

5/17/23 1:43pm

I have a cousin who graduated from BYU and is now at UofU med school

Strawhat4life

5/17/23 7:24am

Single data point

AZcougLawyer

5/17/23 8:13am

indeed it is... these are all single data points

Strawhat4life

5/17/23 8:29am

My son and his mission companion/BYU room-mate are finishing their 2nd year now.

Kilgore Trout

5/17/23 7:45am

There were about 10 of us from Weber State that were rejected by them

Bill

5/17/23 7:54am

Based on all these interview stories, they deserve a class action suit.

AZcougLawyer

5/17/23 8:16am

My Daughter's friends were asked at the U if they wanted tea or coffee

BillyGoat

5/17/23 8:16am

[swear] yeah! Mix ‘em! Throw some vodka in! And throw in their faces.

AZcougLawyer

5/17/23 8:25am

Perfect illustration of how they use “diversity” to cloak religious bigotry.

Pine

5/17/23 8:22am

That's incredibly bigoted and unprofessional. I'd have walk out right then.

Penske Material

5/17/23 10:48am

Glad you think it's funny mr utefootballgm

Bill

5/17/23 11:27am

On brand for them. They are who they are.

Ironhide

5/17/23 1:29pm

This is anecdotal evidence only, but my nephew got in Utah’s medical school..

Fin4Evr

5/17/23 8:18am

Anecdotal evidence. Gimme a break.

GenXUte

5/17/23 8:35am

This is what every graduate school does, and undergrad to a lesser degree

Strawhat4life

5/17/23 9:01am

RE: I have heard more stories lately of BYU grads applying to U Med School not

Skidmark

5/17/23 8:38am

It's a state school and it should prioritize educating those who are state resid

BluebloodOR

5/17/23 8:55am

Not true. I know someone who is a state resident and a BYU grad who got in the

tamasiaina

5/17/23 10:51am

That's what I'm saying. As a state school they *should* prioritize educating

BluebloodOR

5/17/23 10:53am

Gotcha ... Lazy reader here (me)

tamasiaina

5/17/23 11:02am

I don’t think it’s crazy. There aren’t that many openings and they want a

JuicyJam

5/17/23 9:04am

This has been an issue in the past

Doc Buff

5/17/23 9:12am

My Story

jacksoncoug

5/17/23 9:14am

I don't think it is a bias. I think they receive so many applicants from Utah or kids who went to Utah schools (ie BYU)

Cougstreak

5/17/23 9:16am

I think legislatures need to do a better job outlining funding expectations

Turnpike Lane

5/17/23 9:16am

RE: I have heard more stories lately of BYU grads applying to U Med School not

PNWCougarFan

5/17/23 9:18am

RE: I have heard more stories lately of BYU grads applying to U Med School not

lindoncoug

5/17/23 9:21am

Good for him. My HCBW had lasik done there a few months back and the whole

Penske Material

5/17/23 12:22pm

I did my executive MBA at the U of U many years ago. There were several U. Med

Hoopster

5/17/23 9:22am

I was a 4.0 science GPA applicant in 1995. I got accepted at top schools, including MD/PhD programs, but not the UofU.

Yllage Vidiot

5/17/23 9:30am

My brother applied years ago, maybe 2005-ish. He was denied at the yew, but was

Penske Material

5/17/23 9:47am

Yeah, but GenXUte had this to say.

TailgateU

5/17/23 9:50am

Individual experience can vary but my personal experience there was fantastic

Oat'n'bow

5/17/23 10:23am

I'm grateful this was my experience. Early 90's.

SouthAnch

5/17/23 10:54am

Rumor mill is that if you put in your mission on your application they will most

tamasiaina

5/17/23 10:52am

Literally every person I know who went to med school at the U served a mission. I have no clue if they...

Cougstreak

5/17/23 11:04am

I did. If you use your mission to show additional commitment to that area

cougfanz

5/17/23 11:06am

This reminds me of a story an old bishop of mine told. He and another member of

thewaterboy

5/17/23 10:53am

I applied and interviewed there (was an out of state student) and didn’t get in

Resurgens

5/17/23 10:56am

RE: I have heard more stories lately of BYU grads applying to U Med School not

Mbcoug79

5/17/23 1:07pm

It's a white Mormon male thing more than a BYU thing.

Countcougula

5/17/23 1:31pm

This is true

Littlerich

5/17/23 2:02pm

The term you are looking for is “medical student”. Can’t stand “student doctor”. We don’t say “student lawyer” or

Yllage Vidiot

5/17/23 10:17pm

Go to 28sec and this is how you interview at the U of U School of Medicine!

cowbellcoug

5/17/23 1:41pm

My BIL got in

Your Royal Blueness

5/17/23 2:14pm

RE: I have heard more stories lately of BYU grads applying to U Med School not

drdukejones

5/17/23 2:38pm

RE: I have heard more stories lately of BYU grads applying to U Med School not

drdukejones

5/17/23 2:41pm

I applied in 2005 as Out of state resident, didn't even get a sniff...

MrSandman

5/17/23 3:02pm

Is it more of an anti-I'm-from-Utah Bias?

footballjunkie

5/17/23 3:19pm

Two things: 1) Most of us rejected by the UofU are not from Utah. 2) The mandate of the med school is to train docs who

Yllage Vidiot

5/18/23 9:47am

RE: Two things: 1) Most of us rejected by the UofU are not from Utah. 2) The

footballjunkie

5/18/23 10:43am

There real question is how many white mormon males fill the 6 Idaho slots

Jonahsdad

5/17/23 3:44pm

U of U med school has its own agenda/criteria

hunkahunka

5/17/23 3:46pm

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juantoad

5/17/23 3:48pm

My son was rejected by the U this cycle.

byujdmba

5/17/23 6:09pm

Couple of points that need to be made:

Pine

5/17/23 7:03pm

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